OT: New York Mets 2025-2026 Off Season Thread

Zak57

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Please explain how that first set of stats is a better offensive season than any that Pete Alonso has ever had??? After this- I just give up.
Because Alonso has never had an OBP over .360 and that year Nimmo was running it over .400. it is also season dependent. Alonso's SLG obviously is a huge part of his game but when you also take into account the full offensive production in a given season and his OBPs aren't as impressive. It's not all about SLG and getting OBP at such a high clip is also just as important. You're using counting stats alone when you also need to use rate stats. It's not like Alonso hasn't been close he's had years of 147 146 144 so 1 point of OPS+ isn't that big a deal.

If you don't want to use it again that's fine but Nimmos offensive year in 2025 was no where near his best which is what started this.
 
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Weird. I keep telling my friends who are Mets fans to calm down. The world isn't ending.
The owner of the club has every intention of spending lots and lots of money in another attempt to buy a championship for the Amazins.
1986 was so long ago.
BTW, they keep asking me what they're supposed to do with their Alonso jerseys. I'll spare you what I told them to do with them.
 
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yesrutgers01

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Weird. I keep telling my friends who are Mets fans to calm down. The world isn't ending.
The owner of the club has every intention of spending lots and lots of money in another attempt to buy a championship for the Amazins.
1986 was so long ago.
BTW, they keep asking me what they're supposed to do with their Alonso jerseys. I'll spare you what I told them to do with them.
Just suggest they give them to you so you can keep them with your Soto Jerseys you cried over.
I think we just found out this is the original kbee-
 
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Just suggest they give them to you so you can keep them with your Soto Jerseys you cried over.
I think we just found out this is the original kbee-
Was there any doubt it was me ?
And I never cried over Soto leaving. Or Severino. Or Holmes. Or Montas. Although Bellinger might be another story.
BTW, I have never purchased or possessed a player's jersey. Just Yankees and Rutgers tee shirts for me.
 

yesrutgers01

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Was there any doubt it was me ?
And I never cried over Soto leaving. Or Severino. Or Holmes. Or Montas. Although Bellinger might be another story.
BTW, I have never purchased or possessed a player's jersey. Just Yankees and Rutgers tee shirts for me.
Hahaha of course there was no doubt.

mad for Jerseys- years ago, I did have one because my two young sons had loved the Jets and when I brought them to their first game got each of us one. I think the 3 I got were Martin, Cherbet and Johnson.
I do find it strange now when I see grown me not only with the Jersey but even a jacket of their favorite team.
a hat, hoodie etc are enough.
I do have quite a few game Jerseys of my favorite football player though 😁
 

e5fdny

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The Mets didn't win with them? Look at it this way. As great as Raymond and Duff were for Rutgers this year, we didn't win (enough) with them, so should we let them walk in the transfer portal? Surely there are average players out there who can make the team better. Or address the real problem such as pitching for the Mets & defense for Rutgers.
Was there a parade in the Canyon of Heroes that I missed?🙂

As I’ve said numerous times on the RT, there are three types of winning. The Mets didn’t do the most important one.

And with the examples cited, if those guys really want to leave (which IMO is the Díaz one), they are going to leave.

But the CFB analogy isn’t the same as if they were MLB or NFL players. So let’s see what happens going forward.
 

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I do find it strange now when I see grown me not only with the Jersey but even a jacket of their favorite team.
a hat, hoodie etc are enough.
I do have quite a few game Jerseys of my favorite football player though 😁
Agree with the jersey thing except when it comes to hockey. It is what it is.

But the jacket thing? That’s fine for Football in cold weather areas.
 

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Weird. I keep telling my friends who are Mets fans to calm down. The world isn't ending.
The owner of the club has every intention of spending lots and lots of money in another attempt to buy a championship for the Amazins.
1986 was so long ago.
BTW, they keep asking me what they're supposed to do with their Alonso jerseys. I'll spare you what I told them to do with them.
All the more proof you're full of bull :poop: when you claimed you had zero issues with crossing over to this new site. Not a word for 6 months until a tribute for a friend brought you out of sleep and now back to your usual trolling of an active site and nothing in the Dead Zone, yeah hello with the no issues making the switch, too funny.
 

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I spoke the truth. You can believe whatever you wish.
I had major surgery on April 4th and a difficult recovery kept me in the hospital for pretty much the rest of April. After which I was moved to a rehabilitation facility where I struggled for half of the month of May to literally get back on my feet. I've always been a lucky guy and this was the first time since I was born 76 years ago (St. Peter's in New Brunswick) that I'd ever used a hospital for anything but outpatient stuff. The hospital stay was pretty rough, as I suffered from something they called Post-Operative Delusions, which I had never heard of and which the doctors said generally happens mostly to elderly first-time patients. I was in dreamland for a couple of weeks post-surgery and then struggled from there to get back to normal. They said that they were worried about me. But I made it. My oncologist gave me a clean bill of health a couple of weeks ago.
As I struggled to get back to normal this forum was very low on my priority list. I did visit it periodically, but most of the threads were uninteresting and I really didn't feel like jumping in. And reading all of the complaints about the difficulty making the switch to the new board made me think about how much I really wanted to post anything here. Then came the Jimmy Cliff thread and I knew that I wanted to post about the man.
Not knowing which address I had used back when I first joined, I thought that just signing up as a new member was the easiest way to get back. And I was right. It was easy.
BTW, the tranformation of this board has not been in any way an improvement IMO. It seems to me like there is less traffic, more negative crap, and less interesting threads. And some of the more interesting posters haven't returned. I almost made the decision to move on. Thanks Guitarman and Jimmy Cliff. You guys both got me re-interested in posting here.
 
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Knight Shift

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First it wasn't even close to Nimmo's best hitting year and Diaz is not the best closer in baseball.

Again it's December 11 and the roster construction is not even close to complete. If the team looks like this on March 26 then by all means complain and I'd be right there with you. The core of the team was aging and while there might have been another year or two for the window to stay open with these guys Stearns thinks it's prudent to change up the tenor of the team at this point. He wanted Diaz back to close but Diaz was a baby and never even gave the Mets a chance to counter. You may not like it but I guarantee he fields a team next year that matches or most likely beats the 83 wins that this team put on the field last year. Alonso end of year numbers are great and I wanted him back but he was also a part of the problem disappearing for long streteches of the season last year. The team performed better in 24 with an even worse season from Alonso so you can't tell me he's 100% the straw that stirs the drink, he's not.

I agree it was a bad trade deadline for Stearns with the Helsely and Mullins moves but on the flip Rogers and Soto were also in the win column. Montas was most likely hurt the whole time here so who knows how he pitches without that. We don't know so fine put that in a big L column for Stearns. No GM is perfect and it was prudent that the deal was two years and not longer. Everyone wanted Manaea back and he was just as bad because of injury as well. Canning was pitching very well but again he got hurt. He wouldn't have kept up the exact numbers but that was easily looking like a really good move. You never know with pitching which is why Stearns doesn't believe in long term contracts for those guys unless it's a unicorn like Yamamoto. Let's not forget we actually had the highest offer to him but he only wanted to pitch in LA. The reason the season went down the tubes last year was because of injury to our depth pitchers and the top of rotation guys we were counting on like Manaea and Senga pitching totally off base for what they were expected to do and also being hurt on top of that.
^^^^And this is why I barely follow baseball from early November to March 15. Could not escape the news of the Diaz and Alonso trades. Alonso and Nimmo were sentimental favorites to many fans, including me, but they are gone and can't do anything about it.

Do these trades really leave only McNeil (2018), Peterson (2020) Megill (2021) and Alvarez (2022) the longest serving Mets who started their MAJOR league careers with the Mets? Seems weird, if correct, but perhaps that is the new normal?
 
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Was there a parade in the Canyon of Heroes that I missed?🙂

As I’ve said numerous times on the RT, there are three types of winning. The Mets didn’t do the most important one.

And with the examples cited, if those guys really want to leave (which IMO is the Díaz one), they are going to leave.

But the CFB analogy isn’t the same as if they were MLB or NFL players. So let’s see what happens going forward.
Athletes after HS have the same mindset about winning and the culture of the organization. To say that CFB analogy isn't same is false. College sports, these days with NIL & billion dollar TV contract, is every bit the same. Loyal is only going as far as the culture permits. Win just enough while treating your players with respect means they likely will stick it out. Even if you pay them, but don't respect them, they will leave the first opportunity available.

Diaz didn't leave as much as he want something different. His ego, like most athletes, was bruised when a pencil pusher analytics guy made moves without considering the impact on the mindset of players involved. If I was one of the best closers the last few years and suddenly you bring in another one without making it clear what everyone's role, sh*t is going to hit the fan. More than money or winning, the health of a player's ego is something management has to consider. A damaged ego impacts a player's ability to perform and his ability to weather BS. In the Mets case, I'm hearing Nimmo, with no trade clause, waves it because he's developed a mistrust of Stearns. Octavino and former hitting coach said as much recently. I'm sure that factored into Diaz and Alonso's decisions. Neither gave the Mets the chance to match it even if the Mets had no intentions.

You're a cool dude. I didn't want to come off as an @SS towards you. I just wanted to express my frustration about Stearns.
 
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Run prevention was all a lie. The Mets lost Diaz (1.63 ERA), and look at some of the arms Stearns brought back in return:
Richard Lovelady
Joey Gerber
Cooper Criswell
Carl Edwards Jr.
Devin Williams

Please look up their ERA, when they had their best years, and how often they pitched at the MLB level.
 
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Run prevention was all a lie. The Mets lost Diaz (1.63 ERA), and look at some of the arms Stearns brought back in return:
Richard Lovelady
Joey Gerber
Cooper Criswell
Carl Edwards Jr.
Devin Williams

Please look up their ERA, when they had their best years, and how often they pitched at the MLB level.
So far it’s Fun Prevention !
 

Zak57

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Run prevention was all a lie. The Mets lost Diaz (1.63 ERA), and look at some of the arms Stearns brought back in return:
Richard Lovelady
Joey Gerber
Cooper Criswell
Carl Edwards Jr.
Devin Williams

Please look up their ERA, when they had their best years, and how often they pitched at the MLB level.
You do understand those are all minor league deals except for Devin Williams right? A bit disingenuous.

Anyways you can have at this one now.

 
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You do understand those are all minor league deals except for Devin Williams right? A bit disingenuous.

Anyways you can have at this one now.


Buck Showalter commented on Stearns' approach to these types of deals. Stearns didn't make big trades, bringing in stars or very important players to improve the team. Stearns' best work was developing minor league players, or minor trades, and that had to do with the organization/city he worked for. Stearns is a deer in headlights when it comes to the current situation (big city/bright lights) because he doesn't know how to react. That smirk is a nervous smile when you don't have answers and don't want people to know that. It is not being disingenuous. Being disingenuous is Stearns getting caught playing checkers when others were playing chess this year. It worked last year, but not this year.

Buck Showalter on Mets Big Decisions, Rangers Trade Reaction & Hall of Fame Debates
 

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Athletes after HS have the same mindset about winning and the culture of the organization. To say that CFB analogy isn't same is false. College sports, these days with NIL & billion dollar TV contract, is every bit the same. Loyal is only going as far as the culture permits. * Win just enough while treating your players with respect means they likely will stick it out. Even if you pay them, but don't respect them, they will leave the first opportunity available.

Diaz didn't leave as much as he want something different. His ego, like most athletes, was bruised when a pencil pusher analytics guy made moves without considering the impact on the mindset of players involved. If I was one of the best closers the last few years and suddenly you bring in another one without making it clear what everyone's role, sh*t is going to hit the fan. More than money or winning, the health of a player's ego is something management has to consider. A damaged ego impacts a player's ability to perform and his ability to weather BS. In the Mets case, I'm hearing Nimmo, with no trade clause, waves it because he's developed a mistrust of Stearns. Octavino and former hitting coach said as much recently. I'm sure that factored into Diaz and Alonso's decisions. Neither gave the Mets the chance to match it even if the Mets had no intentions.

You're a cool dude. I didn't want to come off as an @SS towards you. I just wanted to express my frustration about Stearns.
Very 😎

If you take a another look at my post earlier, you can see I’m just as frustrated.

But I’m also saying, let’s see what happens going forward.

* which is all this group has done, as it’s the ring that matters.
 
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Buck Showalter commented on Stearns' approach to these types of deals. Stearns didn't make big trades, bringing in stars or very important players to improve the team. Stearns' best work was developing minor league players, or minor trades, and that had to do with the organization/city he worked for. Stearns is a deer in headlights when it comes to the current situation (big city/bright lights) because he doesn't know how to react. That smirk is a nervous smile when you don't have answers and don't want people to know that. It is not being disingenuous. Being disingenuous is Stearns getting caught playing checkers when others were playing chess this year. It worked last year, but not this year.
An Ed Whitson situation but instead of the field it’s the front office?

We all better hope that is NOT the case here.🙏
 

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Pretty sure we all agree that the roster on December 12 is significantly depleted compared to the roster on the last day of the season. Good news is we don’t have any games for a while.

Everyone seems caught up in who’s left to sign in the free agent market without having any idea who is available in the trade market.

There is NO WAY that Stearns and more important Cohen don’t make significant additions/trades before Opening Day.

If you don’t think the Opening Day roster can win then by all means scream at the top of your lungs. But screaming now seems like wasted energy. Let’s see what happens between now and end of March.
LGM!
 

yesrutgers01

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No but I can understand the larger picture here. The whining from Mets fans is so annoying especially considering everyone's age.
Zak - after a few days- I believe this is what most long time fans are going through. Our heads are doing our best to believe Stearns has an ultimate plan to make this team a potential WS champ. This year, building into 2027. Heck- that is what he is paid for. So- sure, let's see if his plan all makes sense and it gets us our champion team.
OK- Nimmo trade, we get it. Run protection and sort of an even deal. Even though we are paying an older player more.
OK - we get it. This core, has not done it (so he says) - oh but hold on. Why is the lineup the only part of the core. Somehow, when pitching is good, the core is GREAT. But when the pitching sucks- the core must get broken up.
Diaz- yes, we all know RP's - you just never know what you get from one year to the next. And no way you give a guy more than 3 years if he is in his 30's. But damn- Diaz is saying what he is saying but if Stearns went to him with the 3/66 and actually showed he wanted him...good chance he is still here - ok, so be it...
Now Pete - Feels like Stearns made up this "run protection" mantra ONLY to not sign Pete. Played the game last year against Pete and won. Played it again this year(so we thought) but lost(so we thought) - ends up all their "We want Pete back" was BS. They never offered. Why Met fans are pissed - you are too young before but we all saw this pay out before. And it really sucks for us long timers and not the madden era analytics, fantasy fans. Baseball is one of the few sports that hold emotion and almost a romanticism. Team has been around for 60+ years and outside of Wright, we just never keep our homegrown guys. There is a reason why we never had a player hit 300 HR or 1000 RBI for us. And that just pisses us off. - And dammit- Pete carried this team for most of the year, still plays every single day and no sign there will be a breakdown over the next 3 years. If he declines in year 4/5, so be it.

But ok- again, in Stearns we trust and he should be allowed to do what he is hired for. So, we are now saying- go ahead and go do it. Here is the problem, Stearns has not shown us, as Met fans, that he has any f-ing clue how to win a trade or evaluate MLB players. Sure, it looks like he may be a great player development guy but he has yet to make any good moves for an actual player.
And you look around- at our farm system and FA's and potential trades - this guy who has proven nothing to us- doesn't have any real answers that any of us mortals can see to make us a WS champ in the next year or two. And nothing outside of days that McLean is pitching to even make us want to go to a game.

So, it is on him now and the clock is ticking.

So- yes, it is 50% emotional and 50% you haven't shown us a damn thing yet. And it may not even be that bad if he didn't always have that condescending smirk on his face. Also- very telling thing about all 3 players that are gone- all 3 made it a point that they wanted to play for a winner.
 
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My thoughts, largely similar to yours:

1) The Nimmo/Semien trade was not part of a master plan. More of an opportunistic thing which happens when GM's start talking. I believe the primary motivation was shedding Nimmo's salary two years early. You have to admit that giving Nimmo eight years was kind of questionable.

2) Anyone shocked at Alonso's departure simply hasn't been paying attention. Had he been re-signed, that would have been shocking. He was just not Stearns' guy.

3) To me the head scratcher was Diaz. They could have had a killer back end of the pen by pairing Williams and Diaz. That's run prevention! They just didn't show him the love.
 

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I spoke the truth. You can believe whatever you wish.
I had major surgery on April 4th and a difficult recovery kept me in the hospital for pretty much the rest of April. After which I was moved to a rehabilitation facility where I struggled for half of the month of May to literally get back on my feet. I've always been a lucky guy and this was the first time since I was born 76 years ago (St. Peter's in New Brunswick) that I'd ever used a hospital for anything but outpatient stuff. The hospital stay was pretty rough, as I suffered from something they called Post-Operative Delusions, which I had never heard of and which the doctors said generally happens mostly to elderly first-time patients. I was in dreamland for a couple of weeks post-surgery and then struggled from there to get back to normal. They said that they were worried about me. But I made it. My oncologist gave me a clean bill of health a couple of weeks ago.
As I struggled to get back to normal this forum was very low on my priority list. I did visit it periodically, but most of the threads were uninteresting and I really didn't feel like jumping in. And reading all of the complaints about the difficulty making the switch to the new board made me think about how much I really wanted to post anything here. Then came the Jimmy Cliff thread and I knew that I wanted to post about the man.
Not knowing which address I had used back when I first joined, I thought that just signing up as a new member was the easiest way to get back. And I was right. It was easy.
BTW, the tranformation of this board has not been in any way an improvement IMO. It seems to me like there is less traffic, more negative crap, and less interesting threads. And some of the more interesting posters haven't returned. I almost made the decision to move on. Thanks Guitarman and Jimmy Cliff. You guys both got me re-interested in posting here.
I'm truly sorry you went through all that and stand corrected. Glad you've come out of all that and are back. I look forward to calling you out on many topics. ⚾ ;) As a 70 year old, I too have been extremely lucky with my health except for several surgeries on my left knee decades ago. I'm overdue for a total knee replacement which I've put off for 10 years.
 
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No but I can understand the larger picture here. The whining from Mets fans is so annoying especially considering everyone's age.
Don't worry. Not everyone is a bipolar sports radio fan who repeatedly commits suicide while proclaiming that he dies hard. Consider the ignore button. You're still on a public board hearing multiple opinions, just not the ones that you've learned over time aren't valuable to hear.
 

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I spoke the truth. You can believe whatever you wish.
I had major surgery on April 4th and a difficult recovery kept me in the hospital for pretty much the rest of April. After which I was moved to a rehabilitation facility where I struggled for half of the month of May to literally get back on my feet. I've always been a lucky guy and this was the first time since I was born 76 years ago (St. Peter's in New Brunswick) that I'd ever used a hospital for anything but outpatient stuff. The hospital stay was pretty rough, as I suffered from something they called Post-Operative Delusions, which I had never heard of and which the doctors said generally happens mostly to elderly first-time patients. I was in dreamland for a couple of weeks post-surgery and then struggled from there to get back to normal. They said that they were worried about me. But I made it. My oncologist gave me a clean bill of health a couple of weeks ago.
. . .
Sounds like a tough run, but you got through it. Life throws a lot of stuff at you, young or old, and it's a real achievement once you've grinded your way though it. Well done.
 
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I'm truly sorry you went through all that and stand corrected. Glad you've come out of all that and are back. I look forward to calling you out on many topics. ⚾ ;) As a 70 year old, I too have been extremely lucky with my health except for several surgeries on my left knee decades ago. I'm overdue for a total knee replacement which I've put off for 10 years.

Sounds like a tough run, but you got through it. Life throws a lot of stuff at you, young or old, and it's a real achievement once you've grinded your way though it. Well done.
Thanks to both of you for your kind words. Joni Mitchell was right when she sang "that you don't know what you've got til it's gone". I'm taking a lot less for granted these days.
BTW, i've been going at it with Mets fans since the Amazins were first created in 1962. A lot of those Mets fans are friends and relatives, so it has never been personal. It's just what some Yankees and Mets fans do. I couldn't stop if I tried.
 
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Signed Jorge Polanco. 2 years $40 million. Will play mostly 1B/DH but can also play other positions around the IF. 132 wRC+ last year.
 

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With Polanco signing - I still have to think there’s a big deal or 2 on the horizon. Too many infielders.

And hopefully 2 big free agent signings : a left fielder and a SP.