OT: November 22, 1963
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Buddy, anyone who fully buys into any major political party or movement as absolute truth is a complete fool. Though I have a particular disdain for the dinosaurs involved in Washington. The fact that the combined aged of the candidates for our potential next presidential election will be 160 is insane…. I’m quite frankly tired of codgy old f*cks controlling Washington (that goes both ways but yes, absolutely includes trump)
That the Russians interfered with the 2016 election is well-established. This is the second sentence of the Mueller Report: "The Russian government interfered in the 2016 presidential election in sweeping and systematic fashion." I think what you meant there was that Mueller didn't establish collusion between Trump and the Russians.
On the other hand, there is no proof that the 2020 election was stolen. Election deniers brought 62 lawsuits and lost outright on 61 of them. On one, the judge made a ruling about curing votes.
Umm they just admitted they screwed with the 2020 election about two weeks ago.
Some official from Russia said they were going to screw with the midterms too
D'Oh! I thought you were saying that the Dems admitted to stealing the election! Yes, clearly the Russians were involved in 2016, 2020, and probably before then.
Why so serious?
I’ve been reading through and chuckling at the posts. The funniest are from the guy trying to tell others that he knows better than they do what their chosen political party affiliation is. Gotta love people so hopelessly ensnared by their politics obsession that they actually think others would care enough to lie about something so completely meaningless.
100% factually and objectively correct. And a couple of the judges in the court cases were Trump appointees.
2020 election deniers exist in a weird bubble where courts of law and rules of evidence can’t be trusted. Only propaganda websites and talk shows that tell them exactly what they want to hear are trustworthy.
Don’t get me wrong, there are plenty of such folks shilling for both sides of the aisle. But we don’t usually get so much clear objective evidence of the insanity as we did after the 2020 election and all the resulting court cases (and the prior admin’s AG weighed in).
Equal parts troubling and hilarious.
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Really? This is a long read, but pretty compelling. Not conspiracy, just freak accident (the fatal shot).
Interestingly, the magic bullet from Oswald’s rifle and the headshot bullet were not the same. Magic bullet stayed intact, as it was military style. The headshot bullet exploded.
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This article and theory are along these lines:
Another question.
As we all agree the shots from the TSBD were not difficult, but still why did Oswald wait until the limo turned onto Elm and shoot at it as it was moving away when he had a much easier shot as it was coming towards him on Houston before the left turn?
As we all agree the shots from the TSBD were not difficult, but still why did Oswald wait until the limo turned onto Elm and shoot at it as it was moving away when he had a much easier shot as it was coming towards him on Houston before the left turn?
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Courts don't really like to get involved in elections and especially federal elections.
The GOP leaders is particular were happy to see a rigged (vs stolen) election and didn't want to press any investigations. People forget the populist movement is against the uniparty and comprised of Reagan type Dems and Reps and indies. GOP leaders and NeverTs are among the most toxic (people forget 17 primary GOPers were beat before Hilly).
Of course in 2020 the contents of crackhead Hunter Biden's laptop revealed decades of corruption and proof pop was on the CCP take. The MSM and socials were quick to suppress info about the laptop, and got 50 sketchy officials to declare that the laptop's contents were Russian disinfo. Since then the NYT and others have admitted the laptop info was real. Many people would have voted diferently had the laptop contents been revealed. Zuckergerg has admitted the FBI pressured him to supppress the story. So there's that..
As for voting, even a story in Time admitted to, and bragged about, all the cooperative rigging that went on. It was pretty obvious it was taking place for 6 months leading to elction and it was Trump and GOPs fault for not addressing it properly. They had the idea they could "outvote" the rigging without understanding vote focus was being dropped for ballot harvesting. Some states have since admitted chnages made to voting were unconstituitonal since they didn't go through state legislatures. So there's that...
Then you have a private business person like Zuck putting a half billion into election. A private person comnmandering braod election systems was a first. Using pandemic and gray areas of election laws, vote initiatives (using universally ackowledged corruption prone methods) were designed to tip results. This wasn't stealing but it was subversibe.
Time explains:
"There was a conspiracy unfolding behind the scenes, one that both curtailed the protests and coordinated the resistance from CEOs. Both surprises were the result of an informal alliance between left-wing activists and business titans. ..Their work touched every aspect of the election. They got states to change voting systems and laws and helped secure hundreds of millions in public and private funding. They fended off voter-suppression lawsuits, recruited armies of poll workers and got millions of people to vote by mail for the first time. They successfully pressured social media companies to take a harder line against disinformation and used data-driven strategies to fight viral smears. ..
The Secret History of the Shadow Campaign That Saved the 2020 Election
For more than a year, a loosely organized coalition of operatives scrambled to shore up America’s institutions
The Suppress:
The suppressed facts return
Zuck admits to the suppression
Zuckerberg tells Rogan FBI warning prompted Biden laptop story censorship
In an interview with Joe Rogan, Mark Zuckerberg says the story was flagged after an FBI warning.
www.bbc.com
Imagine Koch Bros doing this
Mark Zuckerberg spent $419M on nonprofits ahead of 2020 election — and got out the Dem vote
During the 2020 election, Facebook CEO Mark Zuckerberg spent hundreds of millions of dollars to turn out likely Democratic voters. But this wasn’t traditional political spending. He funded a target…
nypost.com
I sat in the windowsill in the window next to where Oswald shot (when I visited the TBD, you could do that, but not go to the real window), and as I sat there, I pondered that very question. Why not shoot as he was coming toward Oswald rather than driving away?
So here is what I came away with. To begin, the shot's about the same either way. What is really interesting is that the target doesn't move much. As the car is coming toward you, or going away, your target doesn't move much. It's just kind of getting somewhat bigger or smaller. Next, it really doesn't look like a hard shot. I'm not a marksman, but did some shooting as a kid. I think any decent marksman could make that shot. The only question I have, and it's my most serious question about the whole assassination, is how quickly you could reload after each shot.
Now as to Colbert's question, I'm guessing Oswald spent a fair amount of time in the days before the event checking out both possibilities. Either would be OK. So why as he was going away? I can think of three possibilities: 1. Oswald panicked a bit as he was coming forward, and then got his nerve and shot as Kennedy was going away. 2. Oswald say Kennedy in the face and couldn't shoot him then. Had to wait to when it was a back shot. 3. As he is going away, down the hill, the target remains a bit more consistent. Doesn't change quite as much.
You definitely wouldn't do it as he drove along the TBD. That is much more of a moving target.
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Great story, complete fiction, but the author does have a great imagination.
You really believe any of that???
That same story was used for Robert Kennedy. It's a spoof.
"That the Russians interfered in the 2016 election is well-established"
Really?
I have yet to hear ONE example of what they actually did to affect the election outcome
I'm all ears
How did Russia interfere in the 2016 election?
Was it Joe Stalin's grandson in Lancaster promising the Amish new sickles if they voted Trump?
Maybe it was the cossacks hijacking those fishing boats on Lake Huron,dragging the fisherman onshore to support the Donald?
Nah,it had to be those KGB agents at Green Bay's lamaze classes telling expectant mothers that their offspring would bear the birthmark of Gorbachev if they didn't vote red.
Actually,it was the KKK who won the election for Trump:Kutztown,Kalamazoo,and Kenosha.
It took a Real Estate guy to show the Democrats that the same factors in that area work for Presidential elections as well:LOCATION,LOCATION,LOCATION.
I have no way of knowing if their efforts had any effect. Based on what I've read, it seems to me that all they did was reinforce beliefs that people already held. But you can simply Google to find out the type of things that they apparently did. It's not hard to find out. Social media posts were part of it.
Not sure why anybody in either party (both of which I think suck, and lead their sycophants around like sheep) would make an effort to not believe this happened...
I have yet to read or hear about anything concrete i.e. they broke into machines, paid off election workers etc. Real concrete evidence. Not 'they may have influenced xy or z" on facebook. "They targeted this group by..."
Everything I read about 'Russian interference' seems like it was written by some woke Dem staffer and half of what you read has been debunked. Crossfire hurricane....Mueller, ha. And none of it swings elections
If anything it's ballot harvesting and mail in voting that's been affecting elections since. Maybe the Russians taught the Dems how to do that?
But, now we have absolute and incontrovertible proof that Hunter‘s pop was on the CCP take.
The states in question generally refused to turnover voting records or destroyed evidence
Recounts were allowed but those just recount problem votes as well
An audit was needed but DOJ threatened any person or group conducting an audit
The audits would tie votes to voters and addresses
As it stands, the legally required "chain of custody" is missing (or blocked from view) from many thousands of ballots.
Its pretty easy to see that same gimmicks used in recent AZ voting where voters were told that 20-30% (or more) of voting devices didn't work (in red distrricts almost exclusively) for hours on election day. People were told to expect to wait on lines for hours and many just left. Since less than 20% of blues didn't use machines to vote there was intentional vote suppression. Most bizarre was fact the "assumed" winner of gov race is current Sec of State and in charge of the election. Its like Venezuela
The devices worked perfectly for primaries and the Carter Center inspected the devices last October and they worked
"ATLANTA — The Carter Center today released a preliminary statement detailing its observation of the logic and accuracy testing of Arizona’s voting and counting equipment, which took place Oct. 5-11.
The Center’s nonpartisan observers reported that all equipment in the nine counties where it observed went through and passed rigorous testing, indicating it is ready to use and can be expected to function correctly for the midterm election.
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Is there something specific that you can debunk, or does your vast experience with ballistics and your own book just enable you to reject it out of hand? You’re sounding alot like people who hide behind things like “settled science” instead of actually discussing issues like the differences in bullets between the neck and head wounds, for example.
Your expert is an admitted beer drunk from Baltimore speaking up nearly 20 years after the event. That is the guy you are hanging to overturn real professional experts. Besides half of what he says is fantasy.
Donahue was one of the ones in the ‘60s who CBS used to show that you could pull off the three shots. What are you talking about?
This is the guy:
“Donahue’s Dealey Plaza odyssey began 21 years earlier. The World War II veteran was a firearms specialist who’d testified as an expert witness in multiple shooting cases. He was also a well-known marksman. That’s why he’d been recruited to take part in a CBS News reenactment of the shooting in the spring of 1967.
The network wanted to know if Lee Harvey Oswald’s Italian military-surplus, bolt-action rifle really could have been fired three times with two hits on a moving target in less than six seconds. Donahue proved that it could. Of the 11 shooters participating in the experiment, only Donahue exceeded Oswald’s performance by scoring three hits in 4.8 seconds, well under the 5.6-second maximum.”
It's funny that people cite the Warren Commission as having the answers to these questions.
Commission member Richard Russell doubted the findings and in a phone call in 1964 between him and LBJ they both stated that they didn't believe the single bullet theory and suspected a conspiracy.
Commission member Richard Russell doubted the findings and in a phone call in 1964 between him and LBJ they both stated that they didn't believe the single bullet theory and suspected a conspiracy.
Read that, however you keep missing he came up with this theory decades later trying to cash in on the conspiracy $$ of the days. He did not come up with this nonsense in 1967 did he?
The bullet differences are simple. One hit nearly 100% flesh. The other hit skull in and out. Are you that ill informed?
Again, please discuss specifics. Watch “JFK: The Smoking Gun” for a better visualization of the theory. Or remain in your bubble.
This is not complicated. Easiest to just read the Mueller report. Or you can read the Senate Intelligence Committee (Republican-controlled at the time) report. There you will see example after example of Russian interference. Twenty-six Russian agents were indicted as a result of their illegal activities. They hacked into DNC and Clinton campaign computer systems and stole and leaked files from those computers. They spread massive disinformation. And then of course, recently, a Russian official admitted that they did this.
Again, not complicated if you are willing to see what is plainly before you.