OT: NY Mets 2025 Season Thread

[Doctor Worm]

My jinx powers almost worked. Gotta send Taylor

Nah. Can't send Taylor with one out. Ball was cut off well short of the wall. If Cleveland executes, Taylor is out easily. Can't assume that the cutoff man would drop the throw.

The play I have a problem with was the Mullins hard grounder in the 8th, with second and third and one out. The runner on third (Alonso) has got to be running on contact there. If he's thrown out, you have first and third with two out. Not much worse off than before. And if you really want second and third, let Mullins steal second. They won't throw through.

 

[RUforJERSEY]

Nimmo needs off tomorrow and Wednesday along with team off day Thursday

At now 2 games back in the loss column hope we can cut at least a game off that before going into Milwaukee this coming weekend.

 

[Knight Shift]

Just back to let everyone know this team sucks and can’t hit worth of crap.

Hitting was not the problem tonight.
Starting pitching is the problem, particularly pitchers with a last name that starts with M.
Can Manea pitch more than 5.0 innings?

 

[Doctor Worm]

Hitting was not the problem tonight.
Starting pitching is the problem, particularly pitchers with a last name that starts with M.
Can Manea pitch more than 5.0 innings?

Hitting was certainly part of the problem. The Mets were gifted two runs. In the 6th, Lindor struck out on a wild pitch and was safe at first. Soto followed with a sure DP ball which was botched. Alonso followed with a three run homer.

Manaea had a tough call go against him in the top of the 6th. After a leadoff single, the next hitter squared to bunt, and was hit by the pitch. He appeared not to pull the bat back, which would have nullified the HBP, but it was not called. The inning unraveled from there.

I would also add that I HATED the decision to walk Ramirez in the top of the 10th. Can't put the second run on. I don't care how good the hitter is.

 

[RUforJERSEY]

Hitting was certainly part of the problem. The Mets were gifted two runs. In the 6th, Lindor struck out on a wild pitch and was safe at first. Soto followed with a sure DP ball which was botched. Alonso followed with a three run homer.

Manaea had a tough call go against him in the top of the 6th. After a leadoff single, the next hitter squared to bunt, and was hit by the pitch. He appeared not to pull the bat back, which would have nullified the HBP, but it was not called. The inning unraveled from there.

I would also add that I HATED the decision to walk Ramirez in the top of the 10th. Can't put the second run on. I don't care how good the hitter is.

Agreed. A tremendous lift to the team after what Diaz did in escaping damage in the top of the 9th. So you have the momentum and the crowd at a fever pitch. You have to finish.

 

[Doctor Worm]

Agreed. A tremendous lift to the team after what Diaz did in escaping damage in the top of the 9th. So you have the momentum and the crowd at a fever pitch. You have to finish.

Can't kill Alonso for his K in the 9th though. He had been four for four, and was the reason why they were still playing. Then McNeil follows with an atom ball. C'est la vie.

 

[RUforJERSEY]

Can't kill Alonso for his K in the 9th though. He had been four for four, and was the reason why they were still playing. Then McNeil follows with an atom ball. C'est la vie.

True. Just would have loved to see a contact approach. Like Vientos in the previous inning when he got to 0-2 and then got the sac fly which was all that was needed.

 

[RUforJERSEY]

Mets updated top 30 prospects list Mets midseason top 30 prospects for 2025 https://share.google/svK8iaZKSjAQAwduq

 

[Knight Shift]

Hitting was certainly part of the problem. The Mets were gifted two runs. In the 6th, Lindor struck out on a wild pitch and was safe at first. Soto followed with a sure DP ball which was botched. Alonso followed with a three run homer.

Manaea had a tough call go against him in the top of the 6th. After a leadoff single, the next hitter squared to bunt, and was hit by the pitch. He appeared not to pull the bat back, which would have nullified the HBP, but it was not called. The inning unraveled from there.

I would also add that I HATED the decision to walk Ramirez in the top of the 10th. Can't put the second run on. I don't care how good the hitter is.

Soooo, Manaea gets a book of excuses and a pass, while Montas is the new Vogelbach. Got it. And that is no defense of Montas. He is terrible.

Looking at box scores, unless the other team scores more runs, usually 11 hits is sufficient to win a game.

Reasonable minds can differ- the first two comments under the linked story having the same debate pitching vs. hitting. I will concede the hitting with RISP is dreadful.

And this is two games in a row where Lindor made an error on a stolen base attempt, allowing the ball to skip past him, even though he was not charged with an error in at least one of the plays.

Agree with each of these comments from below link:

"Bad teams find ways to lose. 18-26 over the last 44 games. . . "

"Blame pitching all you want, but when you have 9 other players who cannot hit a baseball especially with RISP, you cannot win a baseball game. "

Sean Manaea nearly breaks Mets’ sixth-inning streak before major letdown: ‘That sucks’

The lefty, just about fully built up in his fifth start off the injured list, needed just 57 pitches to slice through the Cleveland lineup in five two-hit innings.

nypost.com

 

[MadRU]

 

[Anon1751632159]

 

[Anon1751632159]

David Stearns explains why Mets aren't ready to call Brandon Sproat or Nolan McLean up

Even with Frankie Montas struggling, the Mets are not yet ready to call up Brandon Sproat or Nolan McLean.

sny.tv

 

[Anon1751632159]

 

[gmay8]

Team is absolutely cursed. Just dog sh*t

 

[Anon1751632159]

Mets need to do something , if no one is going to destroy postgame buffet or another Ratcoon fight then the GM needs a sacrificial lamb.

Devils were in first place and fired Ftorek with 10 games to play after Team went into a massive slump . GM KNEW team needed a change/wake up call before playoffs
What happened after firing ???……

 

[RUforJERSEY]

 

[RUforJERSEY]

 

[Anon1751632159]

 

[Anon1751632159]

 

[Knight Shift]

Can't kill Alonso for his K in the 9th though. He had been four for four, and was the reason why they were still playing. Then McNeil follows with an atom ball. C'est la vie.

How about killing Soto.

They should have had his contract based on pay for each hit. Batting 0.185 over the last 30 days!!!

When the top half of the order musters 1 hit in a game, not gonna win many games!!!

 

[Anon1751632159]

Nice if someone on this team said this during a post game interview
“right now we suck , I’m not helping us win either and it’s unacceptable , this team needs to wake the F- up or we won’t make the playoffs “

 

[Doctor Worm]

Mets need to do something , if no one is going to destroy postgame buffet or another Ratcoon fight then the GM needs a sacrificial lamb.

Devils were in first place and fired Ftorek with 10 games to play after Team went into a massive slump . GM KNEW team needed a change/wake up call before playoffs
What happened after firing ???……

I doubt that an administrative decision made 25 years ago in a different sport has any precedential value here.

The ONLY administrative decision that might possibly move the needle is the firing of Carlos Mendoza. Anything less is mere window dressing. And Mendoza is not getting fired. He just isn't.

Firing the hitting coaches at midseason, as has been proposed, would in my opinion be counterproductive. The last thing these guys need is another voice in their ear.

 

[RUforJERSEY]

Nice if someone on this team said this during a post game interview
“right now we suck , I’m not helping us win either and it’s unacceptable , this team needs to wake the F- up or we won’t make the playoffs “

Lindor often alludes to that. Saying I have to be better and the like. After last night's game Alonso was asked about the disappointment of being right on the doorstep of winning the game and eventually losing. But he pivoted and instead said he had more of a feeling of being proud that they came back to tie it rather than losing 5-0. Dude; bottom line is it was another loss. Give me a whitewash or blowout loss any day over one where a win was right there for the taking.

 

[Anon1751632159]

I doubt that an administrative decision made 25 years ago in a different sport has any precedential value here.

The ONLY administrative decision that might possibly move the needle is the firing of Carlos Mendoza. Anything less is mere window dressing. And Mendoza is not getting fired. He just isn't.

Firing the hitting coaches at midseason, as has been proposed, would in my opinion be counterproductive. The last thing these guys need is another voice in their ear.

Which pro sport doesn’t matter , just pointing out that you can’t be afraid to make a move if it can help you win a championship when you have a chance …..plus being at the devils 7-2 finals game 1 win was awesome

 

[RUforJERSEY]

Has there ever been a Mets big ticket free agent signing who has done as well or better in their first year with the Mets as in the previous year or in line with their career norms? Im talking about going back to George Foster.

 

[Doctor Worm]

Re Alonso's post game comments yesterday, I think he can be forgiven if he didn't sound like he was in mourning. The guy had a great day. He went 4 for 5 with a homer. Granted, the one out was a killer, but he was probably feeling pretty good about things.

I totally get that. Baseball is the most individualistic of all team sports. Yes, Alonso is concerned about winning, and yesterday didn't help. However, he is also very much concerned about his next contract, and yesterday DID help with that objective.

As Schiano often says, worry about your one-eleventh.

 

[Doctor Worm]

Has there ever been a Mets big ticket free agent signing who has done as well or better in their first year with the Mets as in the previous year or in line with their career norms? Im talking about going back to George Foster.

Interesting point. Off the top of my head, the one who comes closest is Pedro Martinez.

 

[Knight Shift]

This thread sucks. Enjoy the misery, Mets fans.

 

[RUforJERSEY]

Re Alonso's post game comments yesterday, I think he can be forgiven if he didn't sound like he was in mourning. The guy had a great day. He went 4 for 5 with a homer. Granted, the one out was a killer, but he was probably feeling pretty good about things.

I totally get that. Baseball is the most individualistic of all team sports. Yes, Alonso is concerned about winning, and yesterday didn't help. However, he is also very much concerned about his next contract, and yesterday DID help with that objective.

As Schiano often says, worry about your one-eleventh.

I'm sorry, but give me the it means much less because we didn't win the game attitude.

 

[cubuffsdoug_rivals]

The record doesn't lie. The Mets overachieved last year, and what we see this year is more inline with who they really are as a team. A good team, but not quite championship quality. They still need a few more moves, such as an ace and another bat.

 

[Zak57]

McLean and Tong continue to do their thing. Pena with a great game.

August 5 Mets Farm Report (Top 30 Prospects per MLB Pipeline)

AVG/OPS or E.R.A (W-L) (S)

1. Jett Williams SS/OF (AA Binghamton) - 1/3, RBI, K, .279/.868
2. Jonah Tong RHP (AA Binghamton) - 5.0 IP, 3 H, 0 R, 0 ER, 2 BB, 8 K, 0 HR, 1.58
3. Nolan McLean RHP (AAA Syracuse) - 5.2 IP, 1 H, 0 R, 0 ER, 3 BB, 7 K, 0 HR, 2.81
4. Carson Benge OF (AA Binghamton) - 0/4, K, .356/1.090
5. Brandon Sproat RHP (AAA Syracuse) - DNP
6. Jacob Reimer 3B (AA Binghamton) - 0/3, BB, K, .224/.726
7. Ryan Clifford 1B/OF (AA Binghamton) - 2/4, 2B(18), R, .248/.849
8. A.J. Ewing OF/2B (High A Brooklyn) - 0/5, 3 K, .293/.789
9. Elian Pena SS (Rookie DSL Mets Orange) - 3/3, HR(6), 5 R, 2 RBI, 2 BB, SB(20), .290/.907
10. Jonathan Santucci LHP (AA Binghamton) - DNP
11. Jack Wenninger RHP (AA Binghamton) - DNP
12. Nick Morabito OF (AA Binghamton) - 0/4, .281/.758
13. Will Watson RHP (High A Brooklyn) - DNP
14. Daiverson Gutierrez C (Low A St. Lucie) - 0/3, RBI, BB, .235/.668
15. Chris Suero C/1B/OF (AA Binghamton) - 1/3, 2B(3), RBI, BB, K, .238/.837
16. Eli Serrano OF (High A Brooklyn) - 2/4, 2B(18), RBI, K, .225/.709
17. Jonathan Pintaro RHP (AAA Syracuse) - DNP
18. Dylan Ross RHP (AAA Syracuse) - DNP
19. Boston Baro INF (High A Brooklyn) - 1/5, 2B(15), R, K, .232/.634
20. Ryan Lambert RHP (AA Binghamton) - DNP
21. Trey Snyder SS/3B (Low A St. Lucie) - 1/4, K, .235/.668
22. Marco Vargas INF (High A Brooklyn) - 0/2, 2 BB 2 SB(33), .244/.623
23. Zach Thornton LHP (AA Binghamton) - Injured; Out for Season
24. Jeremy Rodriguez SS (Low A St. Lucie) - DNP
25. Yovanny Rodriguez C (Rookie DSL Mets Blue) - 0/2, RBI BB, K, .337/.964
26. Edward Lantigua OF (Rookie FCL Mets) - Season Complete
27. Dom Hamel RHP (MLB NY Mets) - DNP
28. Ronald Hernandez C (High A Brooklyn) - 1/4, K, SB(18), .223/.638
29. R.J. Gordon RHP (AA Binghamton) - DNP
30. Douglas Orellana RHP (AAA Syracuse) - 1.0 IP, 1 H, 0 R, 0 ER, 1 BB, 2 K, 0 HR, 6.35

Honorable Mention
Kevin Parada C (AA Binghamton) - DNP
Colin Houck INF (High A Brooklyn) - 2/4, HR(1), R, RBI, K, .168/.464
Brendan Girton RHP (High A Brooklyn) - DNP
Joel Diaz RHP (High A Brooklyn) - 5.2 IP, 4 H, 2 R, 2 ER, 0 BB, 4 K, 1 HR, 3.65
Noah Hall RHP (High A Brooklyn) - DNP
Saul Garcia RHP (High A Brooklyn) - DNP
Frankln Gomez LHP (High A Brooklyn) - DNP
Jose Chirinos RHP (Low A St. Lucie) - DNP
Daviel Hurtado LHP (Low A St. Lucie) - 4.0 IP, 10 H, 4 R, 1 ER, 1 BB, 4 K, 0 HR, 2.77, L(0-1)

2025 Draftees/UDFA
Mitch Voit 2B 1st RD (Low A St. Lucie) - 0/4, K, .100/.282
Antonio Jimenez SS 3rd RD (Low A St. Lucie) - 2/4, R, .167/.378
Sam Robertson 17th RD INF (Low A St. Lucie) - 0/3, 2 K, .000/.083
John Bay OF UDFA (Low A St. Lucie) - 1/3, HR(1), R, 3 RBI, BB, K, .333/1.329
Chase Meggers C UDFA (Low A St. Lucie) - DNP

 

[Zak57]

Listen I get it has been a bit stinky after the 7 game win streak but that is baseball. The team as of this morning has a 90% chance to make the playoffs which is where you want to be. Let's get this one today to salvage the series and maybe they get going against a tough team in Milwaukee. This is still a very good team in there.

 

[knightinaz]

McLean and Tong continue to do their thing. Pena with a great game.

August 5 Mets Farm Report (Top 30 Prospects per MLB Pipeline)

AVG/OPS or E.R.A (W-L) (S)

1. Jett Williams SS/OF (AA Binghamton) - 1/3, RBI, K, .279/.868
2. Jonah Tong RHP (AA Binghamton) - 5.0 IP, 3 H, 0 R, 0 ER, 2 BB, 8 K, 0 HR, 1.58
3. Nolan McLean RHP (AAA Syracuse) - 5.2 IP, 1 H, 0 R, 0 ER, 3 BB, 7 K, 0 HR, 2.81
4. Carson Benge OF (AA Binghamton) - 0/4, K, .356/1.090
5. Brandon Sproat RHP (AAA Syracuse) - DNP
6. Jacob Reimer 3B (AA Binghamton) - 0/3, BB, K, .224/.726
7. Ryan Clifford 1B/OF (AA Binghamton) - 2/4, 2B(18), R, .248/.849
8. A.J. Ewing OF/2B (High A Brooklyn) - 0/5, 3 K, .293/.789
9. Elian Pena SS (Rookie DSL Mets Orange) - 3/3, HR(6), 5 R, 2 RBI, 2 BB, SB(20), .290/.907
10. Jonathan Santucci LHP (AA Binghamton) - DNP
11. Jack Wenninger RHP (AA Binghamton) - DNP
12. Nick Morabito OF (AA Binghamton) - 0/4, .281/.758
13. Will Watson RHP (High A Brooklyn) - DNP
14. Daiverson Gutierrez C (Low A St. Lucie) - 0/3, RBI, BB, .235/.668
15. Chris Suero C/1B/OF (AA Binghamton) - 1/3, 2B(3), RBI, BB, K, .238/.837
16. Eli Serrano OF (High A Brooklyn) - 2/4, 2B(18), RBI, K, .225/.709
17. Jonathan Pintaro RHP (AAA Syracuse) - DNP
18. Dylan Ross RHP (AAA Syracuse) - DNP
19. Boston Baro INF (High A Brooklyn) - 1/5, 2B(15), R, K, .232/.634
20. Ryan Lambert RHP (AA Binghamton) - DNP
21. Trey Snyder SS/3B (Low A St. Lucie) - 1/4, K, .235/.668
22. Marco Vargas INF (High A Brooklyn) - 0/2, 2 BB 2 SB(33), .244/.623
23. Zach Thornton LHP (AA Binghamton) - Injured; Out for Season
24. Jeremy Rodriguez SS (Low A St. Lucie) - DNP
25. Yovanny Rodriguez C (Rookie DSL Mets Blue) - 0/2, RBI BB, K, .337/.964
26. Edward Lantigua OF (Rookie FCL Mets) - Season Complete
27. Dom Hamel RHP (MLB NY Mets) - DNP
28. Ronald Hernandez C (High A Brooklyn) - 1/4, K, SB(18), .223/.638
29. R.J. Gordon RHP (AA Binghamton) - DNP
30. Douglas Orellana RHP (AAA Syracuse) - 1.0 IP, 1 H, 0 R, 0 ER, 1 BB, 2 K, 0 HR, 6.35

Honorable Mention
Kevin Parada C (AA Binghamton) - DNP
Colin Houck INF (High A Brooklyn) - 2/4, HR(1), R, RBI, K, .168/.464
Brendan Girton RHP (High A Brooklyn) - DNP
Joel Diaz RHP (High A Brooklyn) - 5.2 IP, 4 H, 2 R, 2 ER, 0 BB, 4 K, 1 HR, 3.65
Noah Hall RHP (High A Brooklyn) - DNP
Saul Garcia RHP (High A Brooklyn) - DNP
Frankln Gomez LHP (High A Brooklyn) - DNP
Jose Chirinos RHP (Low A St. Lucie) - DNP
Daviel Hurtado LHP (Low A St. Lucie) - 4.0 IP, 10 H, 4 R, 1 ER, 1 BB, 4 K, 0 HR, 2.77, L(0-1)

2025 Draftees/UDFA
Mitch Voit 2B 1st RD (Low A St. Lucie) - 0/4, K, .100/.282
Antonio Jimenez SS 3rd RD (Low A St. Lucie) - 2/4, R, .167/.378
Sam Robertson 17th RD INF (Low A St. Lucie) - 0/3, 2 K, .000/.083
John Bay OF UDFA (Low A St. Lucie) - 1/3, HR(1), R, 3 RBI, BB, K, .333/1.329
Chase Meggers C UDFA (Low A St. Lucie) - DNP

Thanks Zak.
Appreciate you and a couple others trying to keep this thread something other than post after post of misery.
The goal has always been to make the postseason. Once there, you play the games and see how it shakes out.
I want this team to go in a winning streak just so all the miserable posters can shut up for a few days.
LFGM!

 

[gmay8]

Listen I get it has been a bit stinky after the 7 game win streak but that is baseball. The team as of this morning has a 90% chance to make the playoffs which is where you want to be. Let's get this one today to salvage the series and maybe they get going against a tough team in Milwaukee. This is still a very good team in there.

what exactly tells you "this is a very good team in there"? Is it the entire starting lineup batting below .260? Or hitting under .200 with RISP? Is it the starting pitching who hasn't gone beyond 5 innings in 47!!!! games in a row?
Is it the new bullpen arms who haven't performed in the first week with the team?

Lindor is supposed to be good. Alonso is supposed to be good, (having a good year for him), Soto is supposed to be good, (hitting .150 below last year with RISP). Nimmo, who i genuinely like, is completely lost, striking out 7 times in last 8 at bats. If the players who are supposed to be good, are all playing like dog crap, and the starters can't go beyond 5 innings if you're lucky, please tell me why this is a very good team?

for the record, i'm not attacking you, i always like your posts... i just think the pie in the sky positivity is all optimism with no hard facts behind it.

 

[willisneverrana43]

what exactly tells you "this is a very good team in there"? Is it the entire starting lineup batting below .260? Or hitting under .200 with RISP? Is it the starting pitching who hasn't gone beyond 5 innings in 47!!!! games in a row?
Is it the new bullpen arms who haven't performed in the first week with the team?

Lindor is supposed to be good. Alonso is supposed to be good, (having a good year for him), Soto is supposed to be good, (hitting .150 below last year with RISP). Nimmo, who i genuinely like, is completely lost, striking out 7 times in last 8 at bats. If the players who are supposed to be good, are all playing like dog crap, and the starters can't go beyond 5 innings if you're lucky, please tell me why this is a very good team?

for the record, i'm not attacking you, i always like your posts... i just think the pie in the sky positivity is all optimism with no hard facts behind it.

Even better, how about he doesn’t tell you, and you just live with your post.

 

[Zak57]

what exactly tells you "this is a very good team in there"? Is it the entire starting lineup batting below .260? Or hitting under .200 with RISP? Is it the starting pitching who hasn't gone beyond 5 innings in 47!!!! games in a row?
Is it the new bullpen arms who haven't performed in the first week with the team?

Lindor is supposed to be good. Alonso is supposed to be good, (having a good year for him), Soto is supposed to be good, (hitting .150 below last year with RISP). Nimmo, who i genuinely like, is completely lost, striking out 7 times in last 8 at bats. If the players who are supposed to be good, are all playing like dog crap, and the starters can't go beyond 5 innings if you're lucky, please tell me why this is a very good team?

for the record, i'm not attacking you, i always like your posts... i just think the pie in the sky positivity is all optimism with no hard facts behind it.

It's not pie in the sky, The vets we have do have a track record of performing well with and without RISP. Baseball is a funny game. The younger players still showing a lot of under the hood numbers that lead to good results. As a team we're top in most categories that also result in runs being scored like HH%, EV, Barrell%, Low Chase Rate etc. The other teams in the top of those categories are all high in the league in runs scored. You're not going to want to hear it but the offense has generally been pretty unlucky this year running a BABIP of .278 which is 27th in the league. The low BABIP doesn't jive with also being top in the other categories I mentioned. They usually go hand in hand and show a top offense.

The new bullpen pieces have been very good so far in small sample size. There can not be any complaints there especially when you throw in Raley back from injury. The pen is going to be the strength and where the team might have to lean on. Soto 0.00 ERA, Rogers 3.00 ERA, Helsley 0.00 ERA. I don't know where in the world you got the new pen guys aren't performing from. Its only a handful of games but it's exactly what we thought we'd be getting.

The SP giving length is the most concerning to me at this point but that's why they added to the pen as they did. I think Senga and Manaea will come around but they will be the lynch pins here and again they do also have a trac record of pitching well as Mets. They will eventually supplement with McLean and Sproat and hopefully that will get the ship to even out a bit more.

As I originally said there's a good team in there but the schedule isn't easy and they are going to have to show it. If you think the team is dead in the water sure that's fine but baseball is supposed to be entertainment and if you're just miserable watching and rooting for bad things to happen then maybe you should move onto something more self satisfying. We're 12 games above .500 not 12 games below with as mentioned still a 90% chance to make the playoffs and with a roster stacked with some of the games best players.

 

[Anon1751632159]

 

[Anon1751632159]

Is there a reason McNeil can’t play LF today and give Nimmo 2 days off ??
Mauricio is much better batting lefty so play him at 3rd and Baty at second

 

[yesrutgers01]

Has there ever been a Mets big ticket free agent signing who has done as well or better in their first year with the Mets as in the previous year or in line with their career norms? Im talking about going back to George Foster.

Ventura, Beltran and Piazza also very good/great. Lindor will be great and Soto will be great as well.

 

[knightinaz]

what exactly tells you "this is a very good team in there"? Is it the entire starting lineup batting below .260? Or hitting under .200 with RISP? Is it the starting pitching who hasn't gone beyond 5 innings in 47!!!! games in a row?
Is it the new bullpen arms who haven't performed in the first week with the team?

Lindor is supposed to be good. Alonso is supposed to be good, (having a good year for him), Soto is supposed to be good, (hitting .150 below last year with RISP). Nimmo, who i genuinely like, is completely lost, striking out 7 times in last 8 at bats. If the players who are supposed to be good, are all playing like dog crap, and the starters can't go beyond 5 innings if you're lucky, please tell me why this is a very good team?

for the record, i'm not attacking you, i always like your posts... i just think the pie in the sky positivity is all optimism with no hard facts behind it.

How about this hard fact?