OT: NY Rangers 2023-2024 Thread

krup

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Not an analytics specialist, so I will take your word on that. I know what my eyes saw, and it was extremely stressful and felt like high danger for a good portion of that game. It didn't feel like Florida was throwing a lot of low percentage shots at Shesterkin. I felt like they were getting into high danger spots a lot and Shesterkin stole the game.

Miller's turnovers were definitely killers, but Florida is in the offensive zone a lot and it seems like the Rangers are having a tough time clearing the puck while SH especially compared to how they looked against Washington and Carolina.
The 11 high danger chances Florida had is a good amount, but what gave the sense of the Rangers being bombarded was the volume of lesser chances.

Meanwhile, the Rangers similar number of good chances didn’t seem like much because they weren’t doing that much else besides those 10 chances.
 

e5fdny

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I miss

I do miss the MSG postgame, being at the mercy of the ESPN coverage up here in Maine.
I really enjoy listening to him.

Like Bill Pidto too.

Not really a fan of John Giannone or Lundquist (for now). I’m sure Hank will get better.

Do what @KK1827 said and get the MSG+ thing.
 

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Not an analytics specialist, so I will take your word on that. I know what my eyes saw, and it was extremely stressful and felt like high danger for a good portion of that game. It didn't feel like Florida was throwing a lot of low percentage shots at Shesterkin. I felt like they were getting into high danger spots a lot and Shesterkin stole the game.

Miller's turnovers were definitely killers, but Florida is in the offensive zone a lot and it seems like the Rangers are having a tough time clearing the puck while SH especially compared to how they looked against Washington and Carolina.
I'm with you.
 
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zappaa

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I'm with you.
Obviously, no team wants to expend all their energy in the defensive zone, constantly ice the puck and lose virtually every puck battle.
Nor do the Rangers, there’s just nothing they can do about it….except continue to miraculously win!

By the way, are these hockey analytic guys the same ones who think money ball was the reason the Oakland A’s won in 2002😊
 

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Obviously, no team wants to expend all their energy in the defensive zone, constantly ice the puck and lose virtually every puck battle.
Nor do the Rangers, there’s just nothing they can do about it….except continue to miraculously win!

By the way, are these hockey analytic guys the same ones who think money ball was the reason the Oakland A’s won in 2002😊
Never really paid much attention to money ball stuff. Was it about analytics & it being said that analytics allowed the A's to win? I think this analytics stuff in baseball is a crock. Take it that you do as well.
 

krup

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Obviously, no team wants to expend all their energy in the defensive zone, constantly ice the puck and lose virtually every puck battle.
Nor do the Rangers, there’s just nothing they can do about it….except continue to miraculously win!

By the way, are these hockey analytic guys the same ones who think money ball was the reason the Oakland A’s won in 2002😊
Funny, many of the hockey analytics people agree with you and overvalue teams like Carolina (and Florida yesterday) who have a lot of possession and shots regardless of how good the scoring chances are, but they undervalue how good goaltending can handle those types of scoring chances. That is why the most analytics people usually don’t rate the Rangers highly.

I like Valiquette’s group a lot better, because being an ex-goalie he does a better job rating the teams on how good their scoring chances actually were.
 

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Funny, many of the hockey analytics people agree with you and overvalue teams like Carolina (and Florida yesterday) who have a lot of possession and shots regardless of how good the scoring chances are, but they undervalue how good goaltending can handle those types of scoring chances. That is why the most analytics people usually don’t rate the Rangers highly.

I like Valiquette’s group a lot better, because being an ex-goalie he does a better job rating the teams on how good their scoring chances actually were.
Agreed. Vally’s clear sight analytics is top notch. Rangers should really be hiring him outside of MSG
 

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Funny, many of the hockey analytics people agree with you and overvalue teams like Carolina (and Florida yesterday) who have a lot of possession and shots regardless of how good the scoring chances are, but they undervalue how good goaltending can handle those types of scoring chances. That is why the most analytics people usually don’t rate the Rangers highly.

I like Valiquette’s group a lot better, because being an ex-goalie he does a better job rating the teams on how good their scoring chances actually were.
Agree that analytics has it wrong with goaltending. Carolina is very analytics oriented, and their analytics told them that the goaltending was less important than shoring up other areas on the team. Maybe its less important to have elite goaltending in a long season against a variety of good, average, and poor teams. But in a short series against other elite teams, you better have good goaltending, or you are going to fall behind and find yourself playing golf early.
 

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Look. After that 3rd period the Rangers had no business winning that game. But they did. The xGF people are besides themselves. But the Rangers overcame it with another clutch OT goal. Maybe they are too clutch in crunch time for any of their flaws to matter.
Well let’s not discount the fact we were up 4-2 (without a PP goal) going in to the 3rd. Can’t just count the third .
 

krup

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Best period of the series for the Rangers.

Don’t break up the Wennberg-Cuylle-Kakko line again for the rest of this run. They just dominate possession and keep the puck in the O zone.
 

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Bubrowsky shaky again !

Keep pounding him with shots !

Other teams shaky goalies have been the best friend for Rangers throughout playoffs !

Lindgren / Anderson / Bubrowsky - all 💩 in their pants.
 

krup

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Bubrowsky shaky again !

Keep pounding him with shots !

Other teams shaky goalies have been the best friend for Rangers throughout playoffs !

Lindgren / Anderson / Bubrowsky - all 💩 in their pants.
If the Rangers make the final and end up playing Dallas, that big goaltending advantage goes away. Oettinger is really good.
 
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One of the few soft goals you'll see given up by IS on the first one; second one was just bad luck. Let's see what the Rangers can do on the power play. Still bummed Edmonton blew that game last night.
 

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LaFreniere does it again. Love this kid.

But the number of unforced giveaways by the Rangers in their own end is astonishing.
 

RU848789

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Well, that's what happens when you keep giving the puck away. Z has been almost as bad as Kreider.
 

zappaa

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I guess the analytics will say we out chanced them. SMH
All we do is defend.
 
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krup

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I have gotten used to Kreider and Zibanejad being non-factors on offense at 5v5, but I don’t know if I can remember a game where they were worse at giving away pucks and creating scoring chances for the other team.
 

BigEastPhil

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Series going 7 and Game 7 will be an overtime

This series is a classic just as Rangers - Devils was in 94.

Not good for the heart !
 

krup

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Series going 7 and Game 7 will be an overtime

This series is a classic just as Rangers - Devils was in 94.

Not good for the heart !
The Rangers didn’t have a bunch of no-shows in that Devils series like they have going here.

Bobrovsky has more points this series than Zibanejad and Kreider combined.
 
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KK1827

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1) refs definitely were in the panthers favor tonight. Phantom call on lindgren leading to pp goal, no calls on the panthers tackling mika then tripping kakko in final 10 seconds

With that said, what a brutal turnover by mika to lose the game. Mika, kreider, panarin have been no shows.

Laff is a superstar and alot of people were very very silly saying he was a bust
 

BigEastPhil

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1) refs definitely were in the panthers favor tonight. Phantom call on lindgren leading to pp goal, no calls on the panthers tackling mika then tripping kakko in final 10 seconds

With that said, what a brutal turnover by mika to lose the game. Mika, kreider, panarin have been no shows.

Laff is a superstar and alot of people were very very silly saying he was a bust
Laf is not a superstar. He’s having a terrific playoff however a 57 point season this year ( his highest to date in 4 seasons) is far from anointing someone a superstar.
 

zappaa

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Lav-
“I think there were times in both periods 2 and 3 where we spent a LITTLE to much time in our own end”
lol
We got our asses dominated and did not deserve to win
 
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krup

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I guess the analytics will say we out chanced them. SMH
All we do is defend.
The Rangers have only given up one goal in the last three games when Trouba was not on the ice. Our first line doesn’t give us fourth line scoring at 5v5 and is now becoming a liability on defense.

The “depth” part of this team is actually playing pretty well. The guys we are paying a ton of money to for them to be difference makers are mostly the ones who are shitting the bed.