Driving into Manhattan is going to get a lot more expensive. Will be interesting to see how this gets collected
OT: NYC tolls
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Whatever the congestion pricing toll ends up being, Suffolk County should charge that much for these NYC fools congesting up Montauk Highway all summer long.
All to cover their own mismanagement of money. Politicians suck
Congestion pricing isn't about revenue, it's 100% about reducing volume. During Covid it was easier to drive into lower Manhattan than to take public transportation because nobody was on the roads. As things have normalized, public transportation ridership remains ~40% below pre-pandemic levels while surface street traffic is up.
Yet another reason to not go to NYC unless you're forced to for business.
Oh and it's not mismanaged, it's perfectly managed in the interests of the politicians. Just not so for the tax payers.
It's not about revenue, huh?
Yeah they'll be sending tax payers rebate checks with the money collected from the new taxes, 100%. LOLOL
Revenue is not the primary driver for congestion pricing.
Given the choice of infinite traffic = infinite revenue and zero traffic = zero revenue, the goal of congestion pricing is to drive the curve toward the latter.
If you think it's only about reducing volume and nothing to due with $ you're proven yourself to be one sided / indoctrinated . Even the MTA says it needs the congestion "taxes" to update and support public transportation systems.
And by the way NYC and other large cities don’t need another reason for people to work from home-- it's killing them now. The significant reduction it taxes from only 48% of people now coming back to the city only means huge reduction in services etc. Don't be so narrow minded to think the city's demise won't have a negative consequences for its suburbs.
Bull. It's about raising revenue from nonresidents who can't vote in NY elections
They need to fix the subways and make it safe if they want more people taking them
Was in the Hamptons this weekend.
Not as bad as it has been but I was usually (luckily - lol) going the other direction. The Belt, Southern State and the Sunrise were not fun on a Friday afternoon after Memorial Day.
But yeah, that stretch from Southhampton to Hampton Bays/East Quogue was brutal. Brother in law said it’s that bad every day.
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More revenue from all the empty office towers and closed small businesses that used to serve the people in them?? As usual the unintended consequences from those with no common sense will hurt people and cities. Read the study just released from the Stern business school at Nyu about the dire consequences of people not coming into the city and working from home. Even those in their suburban bubbles will be hurt. Congestion pricing will fail but it will be too late to correct as usual the dumb mistakes made by those that have agendas.
Employers are slowly forcing the end of WFH. I work downtown by the WTC and last summer we had to come in at least once a week. Starting June 1, we have to come in Monday, Tuesday and one other day of the week. A majority of financial services firms in NYC have folks coming in 4 days a week. I anticipate that my firm will adopt the same policy next year.
If you run a company in the city and your competitors are having their employees come in 3-4 days a week, are you going to allow employees to WFH, as you stare at your empty office that you pay high leases for?
The point is that people are slowly coming back. Will companies look to scale back some office space in the future? Probably but office occupancies will rise from the current 50% that NYC is at.
Not what the study shows-- read it .The 2022 48% number isn't sustainable and the numbers for 2023 have not improved. Personally I beleive strongly that people , especially young ones, should embrace going back to the office for career reasons but it's not happening. Read the studies and the facts.By the way 3 days a week in town doesn't cut it either Those bank funded office towers are being unleased and may mean doom for the banking industry due to mortgages they hold.
I just went to pick up my mother from surgical rehab in Long Island and bring her home. Cost of tolls:
NJTP 7a-18: $13.80
GWB: $13.75
Throgs Neck Bridge: $6.55
Verrazano Bridge: $6.55
Gothels Bridge: $12.75
NJTP 13-7a: $6.65
Total price of tolls: $60.05
it's INSANE
NJTP 7a-18: $13.80
GWB: $13.75
Throgs Neck Bridge: $6.55
Verrazano Bridge: $6.55
Gothels Bridge: $12.75
NJTP 13-7a: $6.65
Total price of tolls: $60.05
it's INSANE
* That one is pretty good.
Thought it was higher.
The Port Authority rates are way too high IMO.
Verrazano charges both ways now. So it's actually $13.10 round trip, although I only went on it once because I needed to do the GWB to get to the side of LI my mother was on and came back home from the other side.
and, I forgot to add, my toll prices were with EZ Pass discounts. It would be considerably more without EZPass
Bring a gas mask with you, unless you enjoy a contact high. Place is disgusting.
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The laptop job people think this is great. They live in a bubble.
Up until a couple years ago, it was $19.00 paid only westbound. Then it became $9.50 both directions, and now MTA is obfuscating with rebates depending on what service center you get your EZPass subscription through.
But you could have taken mass transit
$10 to park or $20 Uber to Princeton Junction train & back home
$32.50 round trip NJT Princeton Junction to Penn Station & back
$25 round trip LIRR Penn station to Hempstead
$20 Uber to mom & back to train
$87-$97 total
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If you said it was partially to reduce volume and improve air quality, you may be correct but 100%? I think it's 100% about revenue since they're looking to make up losses due to reductions in subway / bus fare and bridge tolls. All politicians want to keep the revenue coming so they can keep spending.
Totally out of control. And about to get worse,
To add onto this, NYC is the worst when it comes to corruption and mismanagement of public funds. I believe I read a while back that the cost per mile of track in the NYC area is the highest in the world. And there was an article a couple of years ago about the thousands of no show jobs that existed on public works projects in NYC.
Money Laundering could be core of business curriculum.
A huge % of Ukraine Aid never even leaves the US (goes to defense producers and back to DC) .
You got your post in in time. In April Tennessee approved the installation of tolls on roadways.