OT: Oppenheimer

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Saw Oppy tonight in imax. What an incredible film. It might be Nolan’s best (dethroning Interstellar?).

Oppenheimer was a masterpiece and a film that seems very much of the moment. Nolan was able to capture the good, the bad, and the ugliness of the United States in a way I’ve not seen before. And while some will say it’s a period piece, its relevance to today is uncanny.

worth seeing in the IMAX theater or something that would be just as good at home?
 

RUTGERS95

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To this day China resents that there was no "Nuremberg" for what Japan did in China (killed between 3 and 30 million people). But Germany wasn't nuked twice.
china is right, McCarther fked up royally

the emporer should have been dragged throught he streets
 

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china is right, McCarther fked up royally

the emporer should have been dragged throught he streets

Tough call. Japan surrendered because the US agreed not to do that. What would have happened if they went back on that? Casualty wise for both Japan and the US, not the final outcome. And the rubber stamp enperor gave MacArthur the opportunity to install an enduring democracy.
 
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e5fdny

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worth seeing in the IMAX theater or something that would be just as good at home?
That’s what I was thinking as it’s not a big special effects thing like a “Jurassic Park”, “Top Gun” or a Marvel movie.

But the guys on tMB say to see it on 70mm IMAX if possible. 🤷‍♂️
 

RUTGERS95

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Tough call. Japan surrendered because the US agreed not to do that. What would have happened if they went back on that? Casualty wise for both Japan and the US, not the final outcome. And the rubber stamp enperor gave MacArthur the opportunity to install an enduring democracy.
not that's not why surrendered at all but it is how we got the general staff to be on board.

McCarther agreed and sought that direction do to some personal issues and allowances.

I'm grateful as Patton's boys (my grandfather who turns 100 this month by the way) was going to be redeployed there.
 

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That’s what I thought it was going to be about?

Especially with this cast.
I admit to knowing nothing about the Oppenheimer story aside from being credited as the inventor
My judgement of movies must be getting off track, I didn't like last years best picture either
 

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Saw it last night. Best movie I’ve seen in the theater since the pandemic that’s for sure. 3 hours and it didn’t drag at all. Great performances, a must see.
 

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Tough call. Japan surrendered because the US agreed not to do that. What would have happened if they went back on that? Casualty wise for both Japan and the US, not the final outcome. And the rubber stamp enperor gave MacArthur the opportunity to install an enduring democracy.
Agreed. You need to either wipe out the entire country (leadership), like Germany in WW2 or make an agreement to end the war and allows the losing nation to move forward with the possibility of prosperity (Japan in WW2).

Look at how punishment and sanctions against Germany worked after WW1. All decisions have consequences. Just try to pick the one with the least amount of them.
 

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Agreed. You need to either wipe out the entire country (leadership), like Germany in WW2 or make an agreement to end the war and allows the losing nation to move forward with the possibility of prosperity (Japan in WW2).

Look at how punishment and sanctions against Germany worked after WW1. All decisions have consequences. Just try to pick the one with the least amount of them.

And there were war crime trials in Japan, but they didn't receive the publicity that Nuremburg did. But there was no equivalent to Hirohito in Germany, not even Hitler if he lived. We're talking about several centuries of history. On top of that he accepted the occupation.
 
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What was left to bomb?

There was another aspect to the nuking of Japan that contrasted with Germany.

There were people in US military and government that were concerned using nukes vs Japan might have been a war crime in ways . Even Eisenhower questioned if nuking Japan was necessary. Curtis LeMay said "“If we’d lost the war, we’d all have been prosecuted as war criminals.”

US would not release bombing site photos. Some hiden negatives got out after 1952 . I know fire bombing wasn't mild but US had some considerations about making a public expose out of Japanese actions when US was blocking its own photos.
 
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There was another aspect to the nuking of Japan that contrasted with Germany.

There were people in US military and government that were concerned using nukes vs Japan might have been a war crime in ways . Even Eisenhower questioned if nuking Japan was necessary. Curtis LeMay said "“If we’d lost the war, we’d all have been prosecuted as war criminals.”

US would not release bombing site photos. Some hiden negatives got out after 1952 . I know fire bombing wasn't mild but US had some considerations about making a public expose out of Japanese actions when US was blocking its own photos.

Between Dresden and the fire bombing of Tokyo that bridge had been crossed as far as post war trials were concerned.
 

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Between Dresden and the fire bombing of Tokyo that bridge had been crossed as far as post war trials were concerned.
Seriously.

Also as I said above…not much, if anything, left in Germany.

And the bomb wasn’t just for Japan either.
 
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