In this case - being it’s mid season, I don’t see how you wouldn’t vacate losses too. The pick 6 in our game was a clear turning point. I’m not saying RU would’ve won if not for that but, it would be hard to deny that the pick 6 wasnt directly made possible by knowing that particular play call in advance.
OT: Possible NCAA Investigation into Michigan Scouting Opponents.
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I mean, with respect to the "spectrum" thing, it's a broad spectrum so everyone's somewhere on it. Just saying.
I completely agree with you. I have always though vacating wins was dumb but unfortunately that is how the NCAA has done things. It will not happen but I would love the NCAA to bar Michigan from post season for this year and the next four years, Allow every player a free transfer and ban them from having any analyst or quality control coaches as long as Harbaugh is coach because obviously he can not police their rogue behavior.
OMG, a PSU fan calling out another team for ethics.
You do recall that you guys had a scandal of your own that many consider more serious than paying for two cheeseburgers and a dopey low level assistant trying to steal signs from teams that had no hope of competing against UM in the 1st place.
I'm guessing you still want your statue back, LOL.
So you want a program that stole hand signals to have a more severe penalty than a program that covered up child rape? Okay!
Putting aside Michigan and their punishment, I’m thinking about us for a minute. Going back to the flow of that game - it really did come down to a few big plays turning the whole game and that one in particular stands out to me. If it’s true that Michigan stole our play book, how could you blame our offense for that pick six? They knew where the damn read was going!
Securities and Exchange Commission. He was talking looking the other way in finance.SEC? Punishment??Only the ACC is better at ignoring violations.
The child rape stuff was horrific, but one wrongdoing has nothing to do with the other. It’s apples and oranges. In the case of Michigan, what they did in this situation gave them an unfair advantage on the field that impacted the outcomes of the games. One might argue that they would’ve won anyway, but how can anyone know that for sure when they had access to information to help them with that other teams did not have access to for them. Don’t you think it would’ve helped our defense to know what all their signals meant in advance and memorize them???
Was aimed at the poster, a known penn state troll, not the offense. The poster regularly comes here and lectures our board. His act is old.
kind of agree with this. The poster will come on here with the act that he is a "friend" but considers himself so superior to us in every way and makes it known.
He’s not wrong. But easier to stop if you know the play design.
Way too simplified. And Deion knows that too
Deion being nice so he can get his name into the Michigan job mix when it opens.
Deion is playing the sly- "I'm smarter than you, let's see if you catch on" routine. He knows it isn't that simple but he also loves to play with some of these dumb asses that have never picked up a ball of any kind in their life.
Wow... that video appears to be pretty damning. The clear look across the field when the OSU players look and then the fingers pointing in the air by practically everyone on the UM sideline.
The wrench in this 'winning by cheating' accusation is that it appears the conference coaches were onto it for a year or two. So, UM should be sanctioned but it's the fault of the opponents to not change the signals before the UM game. Also, I am sure OSU saw that sideline reaction too, so they knew. No way OSU continued with the same signals after that.
Even better, use UM's belief of knowing the plays to your advantage. Trick them into the wrong defenses for your plays.
Even better, use UM's belief of knowing the plays to your advantage. Trick them into the wrong defenses for your plays.
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First drive of the game makes it clear that the dude stole the signs before the Ohio State game. Great comparison to what the Astros did. Gotta bring the hammer down in some form over this.
it is funny- even if it was the 4th quarter of the game and this guy was able to pick up the signs during the game like a play calling rainman...there is zero chance the whole team knew the sign as well...and all those hands are going up just about the same time.
But if it is the first play of the game and they know the sign- ut oh and you see the whole team doing it- no way JH and other coaches were not in on it. I didn't see the coaches looking up to the sky to see what everyone was pointing at. lol
They were onto it happening but they likely didn’t know when or how. I’m sure they changed their signs from what they had been the prior year.
It seems like nobody realizes that sign stealing in itself is not illegal. The NCAA bylaw reads, “Off-campus, in-person scouting of future opponents (in the same season) is prohibited” … In fact this rule was put in place not because of competitive advantage but because it was a cost cutting measure in 1994.
Teams steal signals from each other ALL the time. By B1G rules teams MUST provide sideline video of every game. What is stupid is that some teams, knowing this, don't bother changing their signs even from year to year.
Greg presumably was mad at halftime that UM was stealing signs, then why not have the team huddle before snaps in the 2nd half? Or run the plays in with a player? Or shield the signs?
Teams steal signals from each other ALL the time. By B1G rules teams MUST provide sideline video of every game. What is stupid is that some teams, knowing this, don't bother changing their signs even from year to year.
Greg presumably was mad at halftime that UM was stealing signs, then why not have the team huddle before snaps in the 2nd half? Or run the plays in with a player? Or shield the signs?
Correct. Much like in MLB..sign stealing is part of the game…
But you can’t illegally steal signs with electronic devices. There lies the issue
It doesn’t matter the reason. Your not allowed to go to opponents venues and film their signal calling. Rutgers wasn’t allowed to do it and didn’t. So that means Michigan had an unfair edge. Same applies to all the other teams.
Are you not allowed to useelectronics during your own game? Say in the first half and review at halftime. I thought the rule was about going to other venues to scout.
What are you talking about “it seems like nobody realizes”? This thread is 6 pages long and it has been mentioned multiple times.
Even that is a burden to other teams, though. Coaches only get so much time each week with the players, and now more of it has to be wasted dealing with signals than a team otherwise would.
I agree with that. But still, since it was known that UM was stealing signs there’s no excuse for keeping the same signs. Coach fail.
Ran into Michigan fan on a hiking trail in Arizona today I casually and politely asked him if he thought nMichogan would be penalized. He thought a slap on the wrist only as this was just a technicality.
If it didn’t make a difference, as some people here seem to imply, then they wouldn’t be doing it.