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SkilletHead2

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Well I wish I could say I was still respectful of "the scientific community" but their level of corruption is very high. Bogus studies are plentiful, and CCP money flows to every corner. When Yan first emerged and said the virus was from a lab she was set upon by the hive quite vigorously. When the "fact-checkers" go into overdrive its a good bet the subject said something true.

"There is an epidemic of self-censorship at U.S. universities on the subject of China, one that limits debate and funnels students and academics away from topics likely to offend the Chinese Communist Party...This weakens not only their scholarship and integrity, but also their negotiating power with Beijing over issues such as access for research, conferences and other academic collaborations, and joint programs between American and Chinese institutions."


The China Spy Scandal That Entangled Harvard Could Hit Yale and MIT Next

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Yes, the entire scientific community could all be on the take, or it might be that Bannon-supported Yan's work is as questionable as the MIT Rapid Reviews analysis indicates that it is. Basically, those would be your choices.
 

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Don't bother. Trump has them so befuddled that they believe black is white and white is black, Trump is honest and everyone else is dishonest, mobs attacking the Capitol are protesting "peacefully," trying to steal an election is merely "free speech." It's the kind of lunacy you see with fascism. Hopefully the voters put it down again soon. It's evil.

So great..you have become the establishment
 

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Are you talking about the Whitmer kidnapping plot, where nine guys have pleaded guilty or been found guilty, and two were acquitted? It was even on Fox News: https://www.foxnews.com/us/michigan-gov-whitmer-kidnapping-plot-co-leader-16-years-prison
Actually, 4 men were charged and none of them were "leaders" of the plot. The leaders of the plot and the majority of the conspiracy were made up of FBI agents. Said agents created the plot and them went out and targeted right-wing 2nd amendment types to try to get them to join their plot. AP news story. And these were people who protested the excessive CoVid lockdowns in Michigan. And this "planned insurrection" mirrors rather nicely Fed involvement in the January 6th "insurrection".

Left-wing "protesters can do anything they like".. including tracking down and attacking journalists. Look up the Andy Ngo incident where he exposed members of AntiFa who committed crimes and tweeted about them and they tracked him down and beat him senseless. The criminal action against these thugs was dismissed because the Judge said Ngo caused the incident by reporting on them.

So Ngo tried a civil suit and very recently that failed despite admissions of guilt by the defendants because the AntiFa lawyer, wearing an "I Am AntiFa" tee shirt during her summation, told the jury that she would "remember all their faces".. and they came back with a not-guilty (or not responsible or whatever it is for civil trials) result for her.

When you search for "news" on this you'll see the leftist media refer to Andy Ngo as "Troll" in the headlines.

This is Hitlerian false flag and brownshirt tactics being blessed by the courts and MSM. Nothing less.
 

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Actually, 4 men were charged and none of them were "leaders" of the plot. The leaders of the plot and the majority of the conspiracy were made up of FBI agents. Said agents created the plot and them went out and targeted right-wing 2nd amendment types to try to get them to join their plot. AP news story. And these were people who protested the excessive CoVid lockdowns in Michigan. And this "planned insurrection" mirrors rather nicely Fed involvement in the January 6th "insurrection".

Left-wing "protesters can do anything they like".. including tracking down and attacking journalists. Look up the Andy Ngo incident where he exposed members of AntiFa who committed crimes and tweeted about them and they tracked him down and beat him senseless. The criminal action against these thugs was dismissed because the Judge said Ngo caused the incident by reporting on them.

So Ngo tried a civil suit and very recently that failed despite admissions of guilt by the defendants because the AntiFa lawyer, wearing an "I Am AntiFa" tee shirt during her summation, told the jury that she would "remember all their faces".. and they came back with a not-guilty (or not responsible or whatever it is for civil trials) result for her.

When you search for "news" on this you'll see the leftist media refer to Andy Ngo as "Troll" in the headlines.

This is Hitlerian false flag and brownshirt tactics being blessed by the courts and MSM. Nothing less.

You're unwell.
 

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Yes, the entire scientific community could all be on the take, or it might be that Bannon-supported Yan's work is as questionable as the MIT Rapid Reviews analysis indicates that it is. Basically, those would be your choices.
We did see how the "scientific community" operates behind the scene in the CoVid Lab Leak issue. You have direct evidence of all these scientists privately communicating with each other very early saying "This looks like a lab leak". "This looks engineered".. then after Fauci reaches out to them with grants to 'research" the originals they all come back with a document saying it is probably a wet-market-type natural phenomenon. And it took a change in the US House majority to GOP to reveal this. So, who is to say how far this reaches into the halls of "science"? And all the scientific community had to do to protect their centuries-earned reputation was to not lie to us all.
 

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Sure. What a well-reasoned and well-thought-out response.

What is "unwell" is the state of politics and government in this nation.

You've taken an article that provides nothing more concrete than "the defendants claim" and built an entire scenario around it which you posit as True.

As if to say that no defendant facing serious jail time for a major felony would ever, ya know, make up a story. Cuz that's never happened.
 
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Is this you or your twin?
 

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Yes, the entire scientific community could all be on the take, or it might be that Bannon-supported Yan's work is as questionable as the MIT Rapid Reviews analysis indicates that it is. Basically, those would be your chchoices.
Bashing the "scientific community" on a cell phone invented by that same community, probably while taking daily medicine invented by them, too. Fortunately people like this are the minority and slowly receding into the past.
 

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I don't see any Democrats defending murderous lunatics. Republicans on the other hand, the entire party defends them. Trump now inspires nuts to threaten judges and sick conservatives cheer. Conservatism is a deranged cancer.
Your president got soldiers killed just to grab a headline by not listening to the advice of his military advisors. I'm a conservative and don't like Trump, but you can't give a pass on one while condemning the other.
 

RU4Real

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Your president got soldiers killed just to grab a headline by not listening to the advice of his military advisors.

I think there's a lot of nuance you might be missing, re: Afghanistan.

The withdrawal was committed. The Trump administration signed a deal with the Taliban enforcing the withdrawal deadlines. The Biden administration was legally obligated to conduct the operation.

That aside, troop withdrawals are always messy. The enemy knows what you're doing, they know the timetable and they know the location in which your withdrawal operations are based. Iran was offering a bounty on U.S. military personnel in Afghanistan. Frankly, I was surprised there wasn't more combat around KBL in those final days.
 

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Your president got soldiers killed just to grab a headline by not listening to the advice of his military advisors. I'm a conservative and don't like Trump, but you can't give a pass on one while condemning the other.
Huh? Totally different subject.
 

brgRC90

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Oh...god forbid the landscaper missed a basketball game.
A million Americans die during a pandemic aand he's whining about a basketball game.
It's a lot like the gun nuts complaining about having to do paperwork to buy a gun, not caring about one mass shooting after another or the ability of cops to track guns in smaller shootings. They're failed human beings, sociopaths with no empathy for others.
 
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I think there's a lot of nuance you might be missing, re: Afghanistan.

The withdrawal was committed. The Trump administration signed a deal with the Taliban enforcing the withdrawal deadlines. The Biden administration was legally obligated to conduct the operation.

That aside, troop withdrawals are always messy. The enemy knows what you're doing, they know the timetable and they know the location in which your withdrawal operations are based. Iran was offering a bounty on U.S. military personnel in Afghanistan. Frankly, I was surprised there wasn't more combat around KBL in those final days.
Bidunce wasn't legally obligated to anything especially when the Taliban violated the conditions under the Trump deal. Stop getting all your news from dumb Morning Joe and Minkie.
 
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It's a lot like the gun nuts complaining about having to do paperwork to buy a gun, not caring about one mass shooting after another or the ability of cops to track guns in smaller shootings. They're failed human beings, sociopaths with no empathy for others.
They're just dumb. It makes them feel less dumb when they can discuss the issues of the day with actual intelligent, well-read Rutgers grads. There have always been a number of them around.....usually at American Legion or VFW bars, sucking down their tap beer and going off about the state of the world to no one in particular. You also can find a few of them doing your neighbors' landscaping.
 
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Bidunce wasn't legally obligated to anything especially when the Taliban violated the conditions under the Trump deal. Stop getting all your news from dumb Morning Joe and Minkie.
BIGRUBIGREDcommie you poor misguided clown. Keep kissing up to your con artist Trump as he fleeces you and your uneducated MAGA friends. Trump’s campaign financial disclosures were just released { required by Law} for the 1st Qtr and over half of the contributions have been used to pay Trump’s legal fees. Poor Trumpanzee you don’t even realize contributions are paying off lawyers for indictments for paying off a porn star. LMAO
Con Artist Donnie conning people out of money pretending he wants to be their President.
You’re a sucker and a fool.
 
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BIGRUBIGREDcommie you poor misguided clown. Keep kissing up to your con artist Trump as he fleeces you and your uneducated MAGA friends. Trump’s campaign financial disclosures were just released { required by Law} for the 1st Qtr and over half of the contributions have been used to pay Trump’s legal fees. Poor Trumpanzee you don’t even realize contributions are paying off lawyers for indictments for paying off a porn star. LMAO
Con Artist Donnie conning people out of money pretending he wants to be their President.
You’re a sucker and a fool.
LOL wrong again #ru's1dumbass. If you really want the facts about who and what I support politically pay-up and smarten-up over at Premium CE. Or just keep blathering on with your dumbed-down deranged LibCult talking points from the cheap seats.
 
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They're just dumb. It makes them feel less dumb when they can discuss the issues of the day with actual intelligent, well-read Rutgers grads. There have always been a number of them around.....usually at American Legion or VFW bars, sucking down their tap beer and going off about the state of the world to no one in particular. You also can find a few of them doing your neighbors' landscaping.
I mean, are we really seriously supposed to have sympathy for someone who was inconvenienced about going to a basketball game while 3000 people a day were dying? No self-awareness of how that looks.
 
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I mean, are we really seriously supposed to have sympathy for someone who was inconvenienced about going to a basketball game while 3000 people a day were dying? No self-awareness of how that looks.

Yeah think of all those Rutgrrs fans lives we saved while vaxxed were spreading anyhow
 

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Why are so many in this thread acting like useful idiots sprouting the misinformation their “fearless leaders” gave them to believe .
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>First, conservatives are more vulnerable to listening to and believing people who present themselves as authority figures. This tracks back to George Lakoff’s finding that conservatives are most comfortable in a world that’s run along “strict father” lines, while progressives prefer a “nurturing family” model of society and politics.

While a strict father limits freedom, he also provides a sense of safety: “Father will protect and take care of you.” Putting your trust in authoritarian figures diminishes the complexity of life: there’s less to have to know or worry about if you believe that “father” has it all under control.

But it also makes conservatives more vulnerable to believing any old thing that “father” tells them.<

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/opin...IQnE15ZazY4oyTEq2tTvFLw_nIsiOSreKjyTX6VveiKMw
 
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Why are so many in this thread acting like useful idiots sprouting the misinformation their “fearless leaders” gave them to believe .
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>First, conservatives are more vulnerable to listening to and believing people who present themselves as authority figures. This tracks back to George Lakoff’s finding that conservatives are most comfortable in a world that’s run along “strict father” lines, while progressives prefer a “nurturing family” model of society and politics.

While a strict father limits freedom, he also provides a sense of safety: “Father will protect and take care of you.” Putting your trust in authoritarian figures diminishes the complexity of life: there’s less to have to know or worry about if you believe that “father” has it all under control.

But it also makes conservatives more vulnerable to believing any old thing that “father” tells them.<

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/opin...IQnE15ZazY4oyTEq2tTvFLw_nIsiOSreKjyTX6VveiKMw
Conservatives seem much more vulnerable to propaganda and brainwashing, which is one reason they're so hung up on the media. They obsess over it. They think everyone is as easily controlled as they are.
 

MADHAT1

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Yeah think of all those Rutgrrs fans lives we saved while vaxxed were spreading anyhow
from February 21, 2022
Nearly two years into the pandemic, unvaccinated Americans are still making up the majority of COVID deaths.

Data from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention shows that during the first week of December -- when the omicron variant began taking hold -- unvaccinated people were dying at a rate of 9 per 100,000.

By comparison, fully vaccinated people were dying at a rate of 0.4 per 100,000, meaning unvaccinated people were 20 times more likely to die of the virus, according to an ABC News analysis. State-level data, from California to Mississippi, shows similar results.
 
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Conservatives seem much more vulnerable to propaganda and brainwashing, which is one reason they're so hung up on the media. They obsess over it. They think everyone is as easily controlled as they are.
they go by what Fox and charlatans like Tucker tells them
also tend to believe the fiction served them ( lies called alternative facts)
because that fits their personal beliefs better than the truth does.
Being comfortable believing the lies being told them make useful idiots
uncomfortable when hearing the truth so they lash out like little children
against those who supply true facts that can't be ignored .
But they try anyway while making up conspiracy theories in an effort to influence the uninformed to join them in rejecting the true facts and become stuck in the lie they want accepted
 

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they go by what Fox and charlatans like Tucker tells them
also tend to believe the fiction served them ( lies called alternative facts)
because that fits their personal beliefs better than the truth does.
Being comfortable believing the lies being told them make useful idiots
uncomfortable when hearing the truth so they lash out like little children
against those who supply true facts that can't be ignored .
But they try anyway while making up conspiracy theories in an effort to influence the uninformed to join them in rejecting the true facts and become stuck in the lie they want accepted
There are plenty of liberals who engage in bias confirmation, too. The difference here, though, is that conservatives/right wingers/fascists are believing ever more outlandish things and are changing long-held views on a dime because of a single person or right wing media. Since when are conservative voters against free trade? Since Trump told them to be. Since when are conservatives hostile to Big Pharma and Big Business? Since when were they pro-Russia? Since right wing media told them to be. They were NEVER for those positions. They've done a 180 to the point where they're trying to pretend Democrats are the pro-business party even as they call them communists/socialists. They parrot every lame excuse for Trump's criminal behavior offered by the party establishment and believe every crackpot conspiracy theory, even QAnon lunatic BS, based on anonymous sources. They're in cuckoo land, liberals are not.
 

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It's a lot like the gun nuts complaining about having to do paperwork to buy a gun, not caring about one mass shooting after another or the ability of cops to track guns in smaller shootings. They're failed human beings, sociopaths with no empathy for others.

I *expect* paperwork to buy a gun. No right is without limitations. Sales with no paperwork - even private sales - should be banned, outright.

That said, I'm really frustrated with the whole AR-15/"WEAPONS OF WAR" thing.

Guys. Really. There's nothing special about it. It's a rifle. A rifle chambered in a fairly lightweight varmint round. Is it brutally lethal from 20 feet? Yes. All rifles, any rifle, would be brutally lethal at 20 feet. Rifles are intended to be lethal at distance, so they're going to be way overcooked at close range.

What we need are magazine size limits. The AR-15A2 that I toted around in the early 80s came with a 10 round mag, courtesy of the USAF. Limit all semiauto weapons to no more than 10 rounds per magazine. I'm fine with that. If you need more than 10 rounds to shoot a groundhog or a bad guy in your living room, you probably shouldn't be trying to shoot anything.

Incidentally, an AR-15 is a stupid, asinine, ridiculous weapon for bad guys in your living room. Just dumb. Straight-up Meal Team 6 ****, there. The ideal weapon for home defense is a shotgun - always has been, always will be. Save the AR for zombies scaling your fence.
 
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