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mdk02

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too often criticizing some of Israel's policies is being considered anti-Semitism and the politicians who point out human rights violations are called anti=Semitic.

That could be AOC. But Tlaib and Omar are flat out anti-Semites. Even worse than Taylor Green on the far right.
 

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Somehow the Conservatives have convinced a large part of the electorate to vote against their self interest. For example, page one of the GOP platform is to eliminate social security. If the US Gov't decides to sunset SS it really has no impact on me. Not trying to be an arse, but SS isn't a meaningful amount of money in my retirement plan. I am fortunate. But there are four or five folks who post incessantly on the CE board who, I believe, will live in a cardboard box if the US Gov't sunsets SS. And yet those who advocate eliminating Social Security will be who many on this board vote for in early November.

Kudos to those who have convinced their constituents to vote against their self interest. I guess.
 

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You're the clown calling Trump a Nazi, the same guy with a Jewish daughter, grandkids, and was a champion for Israel while POTUS.
another useless vessel whines.
as for Trump, he sees Jewish Americans as useful tools
Trump said after speaking to Jewish leaders on the phone that they ‘are only in it for themselves’ and ‘stick together’ in ethnic allegiance. And he’s often suggested that ethnic allegiance should extend to him, because of Jewish members of his family.”

Trump in 2019: ‘I saw a poll that in the last election, I got 25 percent of the Jewish vote, and I said here I have a son-in-law and a daughter who are Jewish, I have beautiful grandchildren that are Jewish, I have all of these incredible achievements. I’m amazed that it seems to be almost automatically a Democrat vote.’”

Trump used the usual American Jewish voter's allegiance to Israel rather than the USA as a reason to vote for him
t Trump said when he was running for reelection that Jewish Americans who vote for Democratic candidates are ‘very disloyal to Israel,’ dismissing criticism that his remarks were anti-Semitic. ‘I think if you vote for a Democrat, you are very, very disloyal to Israel and to the Jewish people,’ Trump said in an exchange with reporters outside the White House before departing for an event in Kentucky.”

Trump is a friend to Isreal and the Jewish people because they can help hoim, just like he's a good friend to the white supremacist movement that are not friends of Jewish Americans .
Both are a source of votes that help him get powerand that's the only thing that motivates him.

Trump once said in a White House meeting that his Jewish son-in-law Jared Kushner was more loyal to Israel than to his own country
Trump had told his aides that Jews “stick together” and are “only in it for themselves.”
 
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another useless vessel whines.
as for Trump, he sees Jewish Americans as useful tools
Trump said after speaking to Jewish leaders on the phone that they ‘are only in it for themselves’ and ‘stick together’ in ethnic allegiance. And he’s often suggested that ethnic allegiance should extend to him, because of Jewish members of his family.”

Trump in 2019: ‘I saw a poll that in the last election, I got 25 percent of the Jewish vote, and I said here I have a son-in-law and a daughter who are Jewish, I have beautiful grandchildren that are Jewish, I have all of these incredible achievements. I’m amazed that it seems to be almost automatically a Democrat vote.’”

Trump used the usual American Jewish voter's allegiance to Israel rather than the USA as a reason to vote for him
t Trump said when he was running for reelection that Jewish Americans who vote for Democratic candidates are ‘very disloyal to Israel,’ dismissing criticism that his remarks were anti-Semitic. ‘I think if you vote for a Democrat, you are very, very disloyal to Israel and to the Jewish people,’ Trump said in an exchange with reporters outside the White House before departing for an event in Kentucky.”

Trump is a friend to Isreal and the Jewish people because they can help hoim, just like he's a good friend to the white supremacist movement that are not friends of Jewish Americans .
Both are a source of votes that help him get powerand that's the only thing that motivates him.

Trump once said in a White House meeting that his Jewish son-in-law Jared Kushner was more loyal to Israel than to his own country
Trump had told his aides that Jews “stick together” and are “only in it for themselves.”
Yawn....more disorganized and deranged blather from the brainwashed madhatter. Which far-left website are you trying to clumsily cut&paste this time lol?
 
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mdk02

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Somehow the Conservatives have convinced a large part of the electorate to vote against their self interest. For example, page one of the GOP platform is to eliminate social security. If the US Gov't decides to sunset SS it really has no impact on me. Not trying to be an arse, but SS isn't a meaningful amount of money in my retirement plan. I am fortunate. But there are four or five folks who post incessantly on the CE board who, I believe, will live in a cardboard box if the US Gov't sunsets SS. And yet those who advocate eliminating Social Security will be who many on this board vote for in early November.

Kudos to those who have convinced their constituents to vote against their self interest. I guess.

They are NOT simply going to drop Social Security and say to the folks who have paid in for 10-50 years "Ya ****** up, you trusteed us". That's ********. Some, not me, want to privatize the system, like Hong Kong did before they were taken over. And if you go back and look at where the surpluses were (when they had them) invested over the years, the thought is not devoid of merit. But the devil is always in the details when it comes to something in place for close to three quarters of a century.
 

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There are many good conservatives, but they are scared to speak out because the leadership (fascist) if the GOP lashes out against any party member that doesn't toe the line they set and attacks them as viciolusly as they do any minority group that they want surpressed.
At one time disagreeing with GOP Leadership was allowed and any differences were discussed as friends, but since the leadership of the GOP
became totalitarian like under fascist guidelines no discussion is allowed .
If you are not in 10% lockstep , you are the enemy and treated as such.
I can see why someone would say:
"I am indeed an old civil rights guy, and they areack jobs on the left and positions I either disagree with or think are not really worth pursuing. No question there. But the bulk of the party are good folks whose hearts are in the right place. Sadly, there are only a small handful on the right who can make that claim anymore. "

It's the truth and any GOP member knows that if you disagree you will become an enmy of the GOP state because that state doesn't allow individual thinking.
You are part of the state and will do and say what it tells you.
So decent GOP members remain silent even if they disagree and vote for far right policies, that hurt the USA , out of fear of what the fascists controlling the party will do to them.
Good god are you a nut job.
 

MADHAT1

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Good god are you a nut job.
thank you.
Always like to scare useless vessles with facts since they tend to follow alternative facts from their fantasy island world
Sci Fi Lol GIF by Hallmark Gold Crown
 

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They are NOT simply going to drop Social Security and say to the folks who have paid in for 10-50 years "Ya ****ed up, you trusteed us". That's ********. Some, not me, want to privatize the system, like Hong Kong did before they were taken over. And if you go back and look at where the surpluses were (when they had them) invested over the years, the thought is not devoid of merit. But the devil is always in the details when it comes to something in place for close to three quarters of a century.

Rick Scott proposed and had accepted in to the GOP platform that all federal programs, including Social Security, sunset after five years. Not privatize, not give you credit for what you have to put in, but sunset.

Scott's first statement and the initial GOP platform was as follows: "all federal legislation sunsets in five years. If a law is worth keeping, Congress can pass it again."

The GOP has subsequently revised their platform to exclude SS and medicare, so I guess you can take solace in that adjustment if you so choose. But if it were me, it is clear a cadre of GOP Senators and House members have no or little objection to sunsetting SS. So the new platform looks like below. Your choice if you need social security in retirement and choose to hang your hat that the GOP no longer believes in sunsetting SS.

""I believe that all federal legislation should sunset in five years, with specific exceptions for Social Security, Medicare, national security, veterans' benefits, and other essential services," Scott wrote in an Op-Ed published online on Friday by the conservative Washington Examiner newspaper. "If a law is worth keeping, Congress can pass it again," he said.
 
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SkilletHead2

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It’s my phrase Senior Zealot.

But, Nothing is spelled, nothing. 🤣
Thanks for the correction! See, that's how this works. I make a mistake and you offer a correction. All good. And you make a mistake, and I offer a correction. If you use the phrase at work, it's nothing more, nothing less.
 

mdk02

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Rick Scott proposed and had accepted in to the GOP platform that all federal programs, including Social Security, sunset after five years. Not privatize, not give you credit for what you have to put in, but sunset.

Scott's first statement and the initial GOP platform was as follows: "all federal legislation sunsets in five years. If a law is worth keeping, Congress can pass it again."

The GOP has subsequently revised their platform to exclude SS and medicare, so I guess you can take solace in that adjustment if you so choose. But if it were me, it is clear a cadre of GOP Senators and House members have no or little objection to sunsetting SS. So the new platform looks like below. Your choice if you need social security in retirement and choose to hang your hat that the GOP no longer believes in sunsetting SS.

""I believe that all federal legislation should sunset in five years, with specific exceptions for Social Security, Medicare, national security, veterans' benefits, and other essential services," Scott wrote in an Op-Ed published online on Friday by the conservative Washington Examiner newspaper. "If a law is worth keeping, Congress can pass it again," he said.

Which was a ****** idea, but:

1. If you think a platform indicates it would pass I have a bridge to sell you. It takes more than one legislator to pass a law.
2. Not giving you credit for what you put in? So what happens with the current SS Trust Fund balances which don't disappear for another decade?
3. It got quickly changed.

The chances of that happening were roughly equal to my chances of winning the MegaMillions grand prize.
 

SkilletHead2

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good god man please do better. You are just showing your bias with most of these names. Most of them are life long politicians who have done nothing but enrich themselves. Surprised you left off Maxine Waters lol
I was asked for a list of Democrats who I thought were good people. That was the list and I stand by it. Did not include Maxine Waters. I also gave a list of Republicans who I thought were good people. Hard to have a good discussion when some just want to attack and provide no substance. "Do better." Good phrase.
 

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Which was a ****** idea, but:

1. If you think a platform indicates it would pass I have a bridge to sell you. It takes more than one legislator to pass a law.
2. Not giving you credit for what you put in? So what happens with the current SS Trust Fund balances which don't disappear for another decade?
3. It got quickly changed.

The chances of that happening were roughly equal to my chances of winning the MegaMillions grand prize.

Five years ago I could have posted a similar list for why Roe wouldn't ever get overturned.

I vote my own interests first and foremost. Full stop. I'm a real estate developer who works with large healthcare companies. If any member of Congress hints at passing legislation which impacts my ability to make a living they don't get my vote. As I wrote above I'm simply amazed and maybe even impressed with how folks vote against their basic self interest. To each their own. I have zero issue if anyone who votes GOP believes "well, this won't ever happen" for whatever reason they choose to believe.
 
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another useless vessel whines.
as for Trump, he sees Jewish Americans as useful tools
Trump said after speaking to Jewish leaders on the phone that they ‘are only in it for themselves’ and ‘stick together’ in ethnic allegiance. And he’s often suggested that ethnic allegiance should extend to him, because of Jewish members of his family.”

Trump in 2019: ‘I saw a poll that in the last election, I got 25 percent of the Jewish vote, and I said here I have a son-in-law and a daughter who are Jewish, I have beautiful grandchildren that are Jewish, I have all of these incredible achievements. I’m amazed that it seems to be almost automatically a Democrat vote.’”

Trump used the usual American Jewish voter's allegiance to Israel rather than the USA as a reason to vote for him
t Trump said when he was running for reelection that Jewish Americans who vote for Democratic candidates are ‘very disloyal to Israel,’ dismissing criticism that his remarks were anti-Semitic. ‘I think if you vote for a Democrat, you are very, very disloyal to Israel and to the Jewish people,’ Trump said in an exchange with reporters outside the White House before departing for an event in Kentucky.”

Trump is a friend to Isreal and the Jewish people because they can help hoim, just like he's a good friend to the white supremacist movement that are not friends of Jewish Americans .
Both are a source of votes that help him get powerand that's the only thing that motivates him.

Trump once said in a White House meeting that his Jewish son-in-law Jared Kushner was more loyal to Israel than to his own country
Trump had told his aides that Jews “stick together” and are “only in it for themselves.”

Let me guess, you think Biden is an honest guy and completely lucid.
 
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Five years ago I could have posted a similar list for why Roe wouldn't ever get overturned.

I vote my own interests first and foremost. Full stop. I'm a real estate developer who works with large healthcare companies. If any member of Congress hints at passing legislation which impacts my ability to make a living they don't get my vote. As I wrote above I'm simply amazed and maybe even impressed with how folks vote against their basic self interest. To each their own. I have zero issue if anyone who votes GOP believes "well, this won't ever happen" for whatever reason.

Anyone who posted a list why Roe would never get overturned wasn't paying attention. Even no dead RBG questioned it's legality. The only question was when it would happen. not if.
 

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Five years ago I could have posted a similar list for why Roe wouldn't ever get overturned.

I vote my own interests first and foremost. Full stop. I'm a real estate developer who works with large healthcare companies. If any member of Congress hints at passing legislation which impacts my ability to make a living they don't get my vote. As I wrote above I'm simply amazed and maybe even impressed with how folks vote against their basic self interest. To each their own. I have zero issue if anyone who votes GOP believes "well, this won't ever happen" for whatever reason they choose to believe.

Does the "Third rail of politics" ring a bell? The Supreme Court doesn't face reelection every 2 or 6 years.
 

SkilletHead2

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I’ve read your posts for years.

You are simply a Democrat/regime zealot.
Nothing less, nothing more.

good god man please do better. You are just showing your bias with most of these names. Most of them are life long politicians who have done nothing but enrich themselves. Surprised you left off Maxine Waters lol

hahaha this is what a zealot looks like, have self awareness next time

Skillet is a wacko true believer.

Yeah, he’s completely programmed as are the other Useful Idiots and they know who they are.

It’s my phrase Senior Zealot.

But, Nothing is spelled, nothing. 🤣

ZealotHead can’t spell
Personal attacks instead of substance.

I disagree almost totally with everything Ashokan says, but he brings issues to the table and argues his points without personal attacks.

Impossible to have a discussion with people who resort to ad hominem attacks when challenged on their beliefs. Too bad.
 
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Somehow the Conservatives have convinced a large part of the electorate to vote against their self interest. For example, page one of the GOP platform is to eliminate social security. If the US Gov't decides to sunset SS it really has no impact on me. Not trying to be an arse, but SS isn't a meaningful amount of money in my retirement plan. I am fortunate. But there are four or five folks who post incessantly on the CE board who, I believe, will live in a cardboard box if the US Gov't sunsets SS. And yet those who advocate eliminating Social Security will be who many on this board vote for in early November.

Kudos to those who have convinced their constituents to vote against their self interest. I guess.
This post is ********.
 

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Anyone who posted a list why Roe would never get overturned wasn't paying attention. Even no dead RBG questioned it's legality. The only question was when it would happen. not if.

I believe the same for Social Security. Maybe not five years, but maybe.

About 73M baby boomers are going to "hit the rolls" in the next 3-5 years. Someone will need to explain to me how 20% of the US population receiving SS is going to work/be viable when at no time in US history has more than 13% of the US population received SS benefits. I don't like Rick Scott as I work in healthcare and he perpetuated one of the largest Medicare/Medicaid frauds in US history, but I actually think Rick Scott is right: Congress should vote every five years on all federal legislation. Social Security, Medicare, etc. All of it. But again, I am not counting on any of it.
 
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Personal attacks instead of substance.

I disagree almost totally with everything Ashokan says, but he brings issues to the table and argues his points without personal attacks.

Impossible to have a discussion with people who resort to ad hominem attacks when challenged on their beliefs. Too bad.

Maybe responding to everything without diminishing points as conspiracy theory and i know more than you would be a good start
 

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Barack Obama, Hakeem Jeffries, Cory Booker, Joe Biden, Pete Buttigieg, Amy Klobuchar, Gretchen Whitmer, John Kerry, Tammy Duckworth, Tim Caine, Patrick Kennedy, Deval Patrick, Sherrod Brown, Gabby Giffords, Steve Bullock ….this is an easier list for me.

This is some high level comedy. Joe Biden? Hakeem Jeffries? Soetoro lol? Too funny.

Wonder how sniffing kids and being the most prolific liar ever in office, which Biden is, gets him on your list. Must be his sky high polling numbers.
 

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This post is ********.

Bold added for emphasis:

"U.S. Senator Rick Scott on Friday revised his plan to end all federal programs after five years to exclude the popular Social Security and Medicare programs, after enduring weeks of mounting criticism from Democrats and his fellow Republicans."

So clearly the initial platform did not exempt SS and Medicare. As I wrote you can believe what you want to believe.

https://www.reuters.com/world/us/re...plan-cut-social-security-medicare-2023-02-17/
 
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Personal attacks instead of substance.

I disagree almost totally with everything Ashokan says, but he brings issues to the table and argues his points without personal attacks.

Impossible to have a discussion with people who resort to ad hominem attacks when challenged on their beliefs. Too bad.
That’s all you and your disturbed ilk do all day/every day.

Check my spelling too.
 
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I believe the same for Social Security. Maybe not five years, but maybe.

About 73M baby boomers are going to "hit the rolls" in the next 3-5 years. Someone will need to explain to me how 20% of the US population receiving SS is going to work/be viable. I don't like Rick Scott as I work in healthcare and he perpetuated one of the largest Medicare/Medicaid frauds in US history, but I actually think Rick Scott is right: Congress should vote every five years on all federal legislation. Social Security, Medicare, etc. All of it. But again, I am not counting on any of it.

But re: Social Security, most people are counting on it.

Even though I'm not, either, I feel in my heart the need to do that which I feel is most American and take into account their needs.

I'm not all that enthusiastic about abortion, TBH. But I'm also not a woman. And I'm not oblivious to the fact that there are a LOT of women who have to face pregnancy under, in some cases, horrifying circumstances. I do not presume that my feelings are more important than theirs, or that my needs (which are precisely zero re: this topic) are more important than theirs.

It's long felt, to me, that there is an upswell of people in this country who really don't give a **** about anyone other than themselves. In 2016 we elected as President the undisputed champion of people who don't give a **** about anyone other than themselves. Since then it's just been a train wreck waiting to happen.
 

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To summarize ^^^^^


There have been times in the past when I have disagreed with @SkilletHead2. On rare occasions I have disagreed with him quite dramatically.

But I know a couple of things.

First, I know he's smarter than I am. Second, I know - from the years that I have called him "friend" - that he's pretty high up on the list of folks who believe in the greater good. He is the polar opposite of the people I spoke of in my last post.

You openly mocking him does absolutely nothing but demonstrate to the Universe that you are a total c*nt.
 

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Bold added for emphasis:

"U.S. Senator Rick Scott on Friday revised his plan to end all federal programs after five years to exclude the popular Social Security and Medicare programs, after enduring weeks of mounting criticism from Democrats and his fellow Republicans."

So clearly the initial platform did not exempt SS and Medicare. As I wrote you can believe what you want to believe.

https://www.reuters.com/world/us/re...plan-cut-social-security-medicare-2023-02-17/

Getting rid of SS is in our best interest. I can do more with the money the government is stealing from me and giving back then they can. SS is a Ponzi scheme.
 

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I was asked for a list of Democrats who I thought were good people. That was the list and I stand by it. Did not include Maxine Waters. I also gave a list of Republicans who I thought were good people. Hard to have a good discussion when some just want to attack and provide no substance. "Do better." Good phrase.
Here's a good way to prove what partisan hacks they are: ask any of them to talk about a Republican they don't like or a policy they don't like, and not because they think a person or policy isn't extreme and orthodox enough but because they think the person or idea is too extreme, destructive or just bad.
 

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There have been times in the past when I have disagreed with @SkilletHead2. On rare occasions I have disagreed with him quite dramatically.

But I know a couple of things.

First, I know he's smarter than I am. Second, I know - from the years that I have called him "friend" - that he's pretty high up on the list of folks who believe in the greater good. He is the polar opposite of the people I spoke of in my last post.

You openly mocking him does absolutely nothing but demonstrate to the Universe that you are a total c*nt.
Yeah, mind your business. I know him just as well and perhaps better. He can speak for himself and handle some fun political banter.
 

mdk02

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I believe the same for Social Security. Maybe not five years, but maybe.

About 73M baby boomers are going to "hit the rolls" in the next 3-5 years. Someone will need to explain to me how 20% of the US population receiving SS is going to work/be viable when at no time in US history has more than 13% of the US population received SS benefits. I don't like Rick Scott as I work in healthcare and he perpetuated one of the largest Medicare/Medicaid frauds in US history, but I actually think Rick Scott is right: Congress should vote every five years on all federal legislation. Social Security, Medicare, etc. All of it. But again, I am not counting on any of it.

73 million in the next 3-5 years? There are only 76.4 million in the entire 18 year generation? How are 73 million going to hit the system in the next 3-5 years? The last 3 years of the generation can't even hit the system for a reduced benefit because they haven't reached 62.

https://www.prb.org/resources/just-how-many-baby-boomers-are-there
 
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