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although i support most of trump's agenda, i did not vote for him. that's part of the issue he has getting broad support for his agenda because he's such a tool, treating people so poorly. whatever, i hope he's successful on the right issues.
So you basically vote like a woman? Can’t separate what matters from your feels. Got it.
 
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Trump can be an absolute dbag and I often wish he'd find a filter, but the left refuses to find one themselves so whatevs. I'm over/past 'being the bigger person'. With that, I would vote for a dbag who closer aligned with 80%+ of my beliefs, ideals, values, and priorities, over the nicest person who aligns with 5% of them.
I saw something the other day as an analogy for Trump, where a man was saying he asked two guys standing at a Tee Box watching some pro golfers take swings. The guy asked the first man what he though made a great golf swing and the guy went through foot placement, swing path eye discipline etc. Then he asked the second man the same question, that man said, I look at where the ball lands. Sort of fits what you just wrote.
 
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I don't think Tulsi is going to run and if she does i doubt she'd win the nomination, but she'd blow the fukcing doors off kamala and hillary in terms of being a good prez. I'd vote for her in a sec. Acting like she can't thimk circles around the broads the left has put up is silly.
Vance and Tulsi would be a pretty good ticket. Rubio and Tulsi would be even better. Tulsi is no slouch.
 

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Did you know there were over 2500 political bombings in the United States between 1971 and 1972? (Leftists) that’s over five per day.

They are actually pretty constrained compared to how unhinged they’ve been in the past
 

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character matters to me, yes. it did to my mom as well. so you're observation is correct, i suppose.
Honest question: Would you rather have a bad economy, high inflation, unaffordable housing, an open border and high crime with a man of character or the opposite in each category? (I actually know liberals who prefer the right personality over the right data, way of life).

I ask that because the Republican Party before Trump used to hold out for a person of character (McCain, Romney, etc) and they kept losing elections. Obviously most prefer character AND good numbers/economy. But my question is one or the other. Which one for you?
 

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Honest question: Would you rather have a bad economy, high inflation, unaffordable housing, an open border and high crime with a man of character or the opposite in each category? (I actually know liberals who prefer the right personality over the right data, way of life).

I ask that because the Republican Party before Trump used to hold out for a person of character (McCain, Romney, etc) and they kept losing elections. Obviously most prefer character AND good numbers/economy. But my question is one or the other. Which one for you?
Me personally. I want your first choice.

I don't care about the things he says or does, do you?
 

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I'll give you an example of something Trump said that wasn't necessarily a lie, but grossly misleading...
"I visited Iowa a few weeks ago and gas was $1.85".

E-85(Ethanol shiit) was $1.85. The normal gasoline that 90%+ buys was $2.49.

Then again, we know from experience that of Trump’s lips are moving, he's lying.

Gullible folks, such as yourself, are why we currently have the mess we do.
How much was gas in Iowa when Biden was in office?
 

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Honest question: Would you rather have a bad economy, high inflation, unaffordable housing, an open border and high crime with a man of character or the opposite in each category? (I actually know liberals who prefer the right personality over the right data, way of life).

I ask that because the Republican Party before Trump used to hold out for a person of character (McCain, Romney, etc) and they kept losing elections. Obviously most prefer character AND good numbers/economy. But my question is one or the other. Which one for you?
You know it isn't as simple as Trump=good. Housing is still ridiculously unaffordable, food is still inflated in price, some prices of some things have come down, fuel is cheaper, crime rate is lower...Trumps erratic behavior is good for foreign policy...his federal cuts have hurt people, they fired 500 weather personnel, and now have to hire them all back, I am sure similar things have happened because of the Doge/Musk idiocy. I like his bold nature, and he has a really smart chief of staff that dictates most of the intelligent things that happen. But he is surrounded by a lot of idiots, and he doesn't really know much, and has no moral compass. I take solace in his ignorance to some extent, he is politically very talented but lazy and generally so self-absorbed to not be able to cause too much damage. He is a force of nature, and it will be interested to see what happens when the seas calm again, hopefully the backlash isn't a very far left person, but that is my prediction.
 
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Of course a President can control the price of gasoline. It's easy through EO's. Biden drove the price up dramatically thanks to his climate change EOs. Trump simply cancelled those EOs and we are back at a somewhat reasonable gas average. Once Trump's "drill baby, drill" efforts are in full effect, you can expect gas prices to drop even further.
Biden had a fuel crisis when Russia invaded Ukraine, which was certainly caused by Putin viewing Biden as a wet-noodle, Saudi Arabia not respecting Biden, and enjoying the high prices, which fill their treasury, and the unknown about climate laws which stifled some fuel development, and then the worst thing...a war in the middle east. Did these happen because Biden was president and the rest of the world viewed America as weak and ineffectual? Probably, but it didn't have much to with executive order.
 

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You know it isn't as simple as Trump=good. Housing is still ridiculously unaffordable, food is still inflated in price, some prices of some things have come down, fuel is cheaper, crime rate is lower...Trumps erratic behavior is good for foreign policy...his federal cuts have hurt people, they fired 500 weather personnel, and now have to hire them all back, I am sure similar things have happened because of the Doge/Musk idiocy. I like his bold nature, and he has a really smart chief of staff that dictates most of the intelligent things that happen. But he is surrounded by a lot of idiots, and he doesn't really know much, and has no moral compass. I take solace in his ignorance to some extent, he is politically very talented but lazy and generally so self-absorbed to not be able to cause too much damage. He is a force of nature, and it will be interested to see what happens when the seas calm again, hopefully the backlash isn't a very far left person, but that is my prediction.
I'll take that as you won't answer my hypothetical question
 

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The intensity of the 'them vs us' is cyclical. It was extremely heightened in the late 1700's, mid 1800's, and now again in the early-ish 2000's. We've seen many periods of great bipartisan teamwork throughout our history. Sadly, bipartisan efforts seem to be a rare commodity these days due to the tribal mentality of politics. Unfortunately, there's only 2 ways to narrow the gap that is do divided: wait them out/vote them out, or eradicate them/pound them into submission. The United States has resorted to both routes in its past. I'd prefer we could avoid the latter option with our current landscape that only gets further enflamed by social media and AI.
The nation hasn't been bipartisan ever, just partisan dominant. The economic crash of the 20s was fully associated with terrible republican policies, leading to democratic dominance for the next 40 years, especially because FDR walked into a world war which was pretty inevitable we would win. There were plenty of Americans who hated FDR with a passion and senators from one party took donations from the nazis in an attempt to get FDR out of office...similar to certain senators relating with Putin in his attempt to effect congress and elections. The republican party was effectively destroyed from 1929 to 1970 because most white people were poor and wanted government handouts and union protection, in the 1980s and 1990s, handouts suddenly didn't seem so necessary and unions just got in the way of "profits"..., and the idea of "low taxes" , and "balance the budget" became a thing. It never was in 1930-1970 when the tax rate on the rich was above 70%.
 

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Me personally. I want your first choice.

I don't care about the things he says or does, do you?

I care very little about what he or other politicians say or how they act. Trump can be annoying, he's immature at times, has thin skin and has some personality stuff that turns me off (There are other things I like about his personality).

So what? WHO CARES. (Same as you). That's why when libs gripe and b*tch about these character issues, we laugh them out of the room. I have 4-5 issues I care deeply about and I want someone who will defend these things and fight for them. Let the other side cry about it.

This is where and why MAGA left the Republican Party in the dust (and RINO's/old school Republicans are p*ssed off about it). Dems have always used the morality issue against Republicans. All they had to do was pull out a victim (or alleged victim) of a Republican candidate, show some skeletons in the closet and so often the candidate would FOLD.

If Watergate happened to Trump he'd tell the Dems to screw off. Just like Obama did with Benghazi, Clinton's have done with everything, Biden did with bribery & political access accusations, and Afghanistan, Obama did with illegally spying on Trump..... and same thing Trump did with his impeachments.

It's a new political world - and MAGA isn't going to fold anymore just because you caught one of theirs sleeping around, being disgusting or rude, etc. Dems can feign outrage all day long - MAGA is done with their faux outrage (as you can see on this board. Dem outrage is laughed off the board).

You want a pastor? Go to church. You want an Eagle Scout, go volunteer with the Scout. You want a politician who will win and support things you believe in? Welcome to MAGA. Dems have been there for decades - Government is their LIFE. They are just pissed the other side is fighting fire with fire now.
 

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I care very little about what he or other politicians say or how they act. Trump can be annoying, he's immature at times, has thin skin and has some personality stuff that turns me off (There are other things I like about his personality).

So what? WHO CARES. (Same as you). That's why when libs gripe and b*tch about these character issues, we laugh them out of the room. I have 4-5 issues I care deeply about and I want someone who will defend these things and fight for them. Let the other side cry about it.

This is where and why MAGA left the Republican Party in the dust (and RINO's/old school Republicans are p*ssed off about it). Dems have always used the morality issue against Republicans. All they had to do was pull out a victim (or alleged victim) of a Republican candidate, show some skeletons in the closet and so often the candidate would FOLD.

If Watergate happened to Trump he'd tell the Dems to screw off. Just like Obama did with Benghazi, Clinton's have done with everything, Biden did with bribery & political access accusations, and Afghanistan, Obama did with illegally spying on Trump..... and same thing Trump did with his impeachments.

It's a new political world - and MAGA isn't going to fold anymore just because you caught one of theirs sleeping around, being disgusting or rude, etc. Dems can feign outrage all day long - MAGA is done with their faux outrage (as you can see on this board. Dem outrage is laughed off the board).

You want a pastor? Go to church. You want an Eagle Scout, go volunteer with the Scout. You want a politician who will win and support things you believe in? Welcome to MAGA. Dems have been there for decades - Government is their LIFE. They are just pissed the other side is fighting fire with fire now.
While I agree with almost all of this...

The one issue is this...if you don't care about character issues or what people say...then you (not you but everyone that does) should not ***** or complain when people on the way left say something you don't like or disagree with. Right?

It should go both ways...I think.
 

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You know it isn't as simple as Trump=good. Housing is still ridiculously unaffordable, food is still inflated in price, some prices of some things have come down, fuel is cheaper, crime rate is lower...Trumps erratic behavior is good for foreign policy...his federal cuts have hurt people, they fired 500 weather personnel, and now have to hire them all back, I am sure similar things have happened because of the Doge/Musk idiocy. I like his bold nature, and he has a really smart chief of staff that dictates most of the intelligent things that happen. But he is surrounded by a lot of idiots, and he doesn't really know much, and has no moral compass. I take solace in his ignorance to some extent, he is politically very talented but lazy and generally so self-absorbed to not be able to cause too much damage. He is a force of nature, and it will be interested to see what happens when the seas calm again, hopefully the backlash isn't a very far left person, but that is my prediction.
I know gas is cheaper but this weird idea that groceries and fast food and houses are cheaper is insane.
Housing might go down but food costs are never going back down. Now with min wage going up all the time.
 

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The nation hasn't been bipartisan ever, just partisan dominant. The economic crash of the 20s was fully associated with terrible republican policies, leading to democratic dominance for the next 40 years, especially because FDR walked into a world war which was pretty inevitable we would win. There were plenty of Americans who hated FDR with a passion and senators from one party took donations from the nazis in an attempt to get FDR out of office...similar to certain senators relating with Putin in his attempt to effect congress and elections. The republican party was effectively destroyed from 1929 to 1970 because most white people were poor and wanted government handouts and union protection, in the 1980s and 1990s, handouts suddenly didn't seem so necessary and unions just got in the way of "profits"..., and the idea of "low taxes" , and "balance the budget" became a thing. It never was in 1930-1970 when the tax rate on the rich was above 70%.
The rich never paid that 70% rate though. It was closer 40%-45%.
 

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While I agree with almost all of this...

The one issue is this...if you don't care about character issues or what people say...then you (not you but everyone that does) should not ***** or complain when people on the way left say something you don't like or disagree with. Right?

It should go both ways...I think.

Gavin said some stupid comments in Atlanta and I literally laughed. The lefty just said white milk shows white supremacy and I laughed again.

When the left says something stupid (daily) I call it out as stupid, no problem. But I'm not asking for them to be impeached over their comments like the left does with Trump. Their outrage and demand for 25th amendment, impeachment or removal is what is laughable. I don't remember ever calling for drastic action like that based on what politicians say. So yeah, it should go both ways.

My larger point is the left wants to feel good. They like charisma. They want to FEEL good about their candidate. Obama gave them chills. What does Obama stand for? How will the nation perform? It almost didn't matter. They want a savior in their candidate. Conservatives want performance over style. (Hillary, Biden and Kamala were chosen by the party elites - paid off Bernie to sit down).
 
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Gavin said some stupid comments in Atlanta and I literally laughed. The lefty just said white milk shows white supremacy and I laughed again.

When the left says something stupid (daily) I call it out as stupid, no problem. But I'm not asking for them to be impeached over their comments like the left does with Trump. Their outrage and demand for 25th amendment, impeachment or removal is what is laughable. I don't remember ever calling for drastic action like that based on what politicians say. So yeah, it should go both ways.

My larger point is the left wants to feel good. They like charisma. They want to FEEL good about their candidate. Obama gave them chills. What does Obama stand for? How will the nation perform? It almost didn't matter. They want a savior in their candidate. Conservatives want performance over style. (Hillary, Biden and Kamala were chosen by the party elites - paid off Bernie to sit down).
I get your point. I disagree but I get it. I think if you are okay with one side saying dumb stuff, you should be okay with the other side saying dumb stuff.

I do think that Sanders was paid off, in some way, to sit down.
 

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I get your point. I disagree but I get it. I think if you are okay with one side saying dumb stuff, you should be okay with the other side saying dumb stuff.

I do think that Sanders was paid off, in some way, to sit down.
I don't think we're connecting. I am good with both sides saying dumb stuff. Trump has said things that make me shake my head. LOTS of things. Personally, I thought the monkey video was DUMB of him. I get that he baits the left and trolls them frequently. This wasn't the case in my opinion. The monkey clip was reckless and unnecessary. It takes the country (and him) off message, is a distraction and frankly why not edit it out once you were aware of it? (He can't admit he's wrong very easily). I'm okay with the left calling him out on this stuff - just as I call out Gavin for saying stupid stuff. Capiche?

My larger point was the left gets worked up over Trump's words and his personality more than they care about the actual state of the union (crime, border, economy, etc). When vegetable Biden was in office I was concerned about the state of the union more than I was about the bumbler groping kids and getting lost at the podium. Not the left. No sir. Dow 50,000, GDP 4.3%, mortgage rates under 6%.... they simply hate the man to care about any of that.

I'm still waiting for the gentleman to answer my question on which is more important to them - the State of the Union or the character/person in office if he had to choose.
 
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I don't think we're connecting. I am good with both sides saying dumb stuff. Trump has said things that make me shake my head. LOTS of things. Personally, I thought the monkey video was DUMB of him. I get that he baits the left and trolls them frequently. This wasn't the case in my opinion. The monkey clip was reckless and unnecessary. It takes the country (and him) off message, is a distraction and frankly why not edit it out once you were aware of it? (He can't admit he's wrong very easily). I'm okay with the left calling him out on this stuff - just as I call out Gavin for saying stupid stuff. Capiche?

My larger point was the left gets worked up over Trump's words and his personality more than they care about the actual state of the union (crime, border, economy, etc). When vegetable Biden was in office I was concerned about the state of the union more than I was about the bumbler groping kids and getting lost at the podium. Not the left. No sir. Dow 50,000, GDP 4.3%, mortgage rates under 6%.... they simply hate the man to care about any of that.

I'm still waiting for the gentleman to answer my question on which is more important to them - the State of the Union or the character/person in office if he had to choose.
I get what you are saying.
 

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You must have liked the show Mr Ed when you were a child.
She is not "Hot" but she is still probably hotter than most of the girls anyone on this site has ever ******. Which is sad but I have seen dudes that are married and I have seen their wives. They ****** up.
 

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You know it isn't as simple as Trump=good. Housing is still ridiculously unaffordable, food is still inflated in price, some prices of some things have come down, fuel is cheaper, crime rate is lower...Trumps erratic behavior is good for foreign policy...his federal cuts have hurt people, they fired 500 weather personnel, and now have to hire them all back, I am sure similar things have happened because of the Doge/Musk idiocy. I like his bold nature, and he has a really smart chief of staff that dictates most of the intelligent things that happen. But he is surrounded by a lot of idiots, and he doesn't really know much, and has no moral compass. I take solace in his ignorance to some extent, he is politically very talented but lazy and generally so self-absorbed to not be able to cause too much damage. He is a force of nature, and it will be interested to see what happens when the seas calm again, hopefully the backlash isn't a very far left person, but that is my prediction.
His federal cuts have helped far more people than they have hurt. Typical you can't see the big picture.

Yes, food, housing is expensive. Stop printing money. You guys spent that money, now you want Trump to magically un-print it?
 
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His federal cuts have helped far more people than they have hurt. Typical you can't see the big picture.

Yes, food, housing is expensive. Stop printing money. You guys spent that money, now you want Trump to magically un-print it?
I mean...trump just promised more checks to people...right?
 

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The nation hasn't been bipartisan ever, just partisan dominant. The economic crash of the 20s was fully associated with terrible republican policies, leading to democratic dominance for the next 40 years, especially because FDR walked into a world war which was pretty inevitable we would win. There were plenty of Americans who hated FDR with a passion and senators from one party took donations from the nazis in an attempt to get FDR out of office...similar to certain senators relating with Putin in his attempt to effect congress and elections. The republican party was effectively destroyed from 1929 to 1970 because most white people were poor and wanted government handouts and union protection, in the 1980s and 1990s, handouts suddenly didn't seem so necessary and unions just got in the way of "profits"..., and the idea of "low taxes" , and "balance the budget" became a thing. It never was in 1930-1970 when the tax rate on the rich was above 70%.
Lol. The economy went into a recession in the 1920s. FDR kept it firmly entrenched there for a decade. It was three or four major recession.
By the way, FDR's admin was fairly rife with communists. The guy was a disaster, and ruined countless lives.

Putin did not try to impact our elections. He did the same thing he does all over the world. He spent some money on ads for both Hillary and Trump. The left trying to tie Russia to the right is rich.

Your whole post is full of partisan suppositions, none of which are true.
 
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I know gas is cheaper but this weird idea that groceries and fast food and houses are cheaper is insane.
Housing might go down but food costs are never going back down. Now with min wage going up all the time.
This is correct. The money was spent, now people want it back. It's theoretically possible, but it would take sustained growth over a period for it to happen. Prices are stabilized, and short term, that is best case.
 
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She is not "Hot" but she is still probably hotter than most of the girls anyone on this site has ever ******. Which is sad but I have seen dudes that are married and I have seen their wives. They ****** up.
When you say "not hot" do you mean her face or her body? Because I agree with her face not being "hot", but she has a rocking bod.
 
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When you say "not hot" do you mean her face or her body? Because I agree with her face not being "hot", but she has a rocking bod.
Face! Not hot.

As someone who has "made love" to about 6 different girls with fake cans and porn star bodies...she could use fake cans and she would be way hotter because who the **** cares about a face.
 
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I mean...trump just promised more checks to people...right?
He offered checks to offset the tariffs. The tariffs will be reduced or go away depending on the response we get, and need. During Covid they were throwing trillions around like billions. One time checks <> trillions in 'infrastructure' spending, or whatever else they called it. For the record, I don't care about tariff checks. I would rather he apply it to the deficit, but it's not printed money in the same sense. It is money coming in from foreign policy.

SS eligibility needs to start at 70, and disability needs to be looked at hard. All benies. You don't work 40, you better have a very good reason.