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RUDead

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but this presents currency issues and budget problems for us

again, kill the revolving credit thresholds and we self correct. People living hand to mouth via cc is absurd and greater than 40% are doing this!

Yes, bad for the US, but devastating for Europe.

It was just a matter of time before this credit bubble popped. Hopefully the US can come out of this without too much damage. The quicker it happens the better for everyone.
 
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S&P 500 forward PE = 17.3 (very reasonable, below the 40-year median)
S&P 400 (mid-caps) forward PE = 13.2 (lowest since 08/09, except the quick COVID dip)
S&P 600 (small-caps) forward PE = 12.8 (tied with 08/09 for a 25-year low)

Careful. I would not fight the FED (or ECB). If the expectations is that rates are going to 5% they will stay there for a while (maybe too long). This creates a bigger problem than inflation.
1) Many companies rely on debt.
2) Earnings will take a hit
1&2 will have an adverse effect on Foward looking PE.
 

FastMJ

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Careful. I would not fight the FED (or ECB). If the expectations is that rates are going to 5% they will stay there for a while (maybe too long). This creates a bigger problem than inflation.
1) Many companies rely on debt.
2) Earnings will take a hit
1&2 will have an adverse effect on Foward looking PE.
They will stay there for as long as it takes for inflation to roll over and for the unemployment to spike upward. It might not take long though and a few months later they will start to ease because they tend to overreact.
 
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T2Kplus20

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Careful. I would not fight the FED (or ECB). If the expectations is that rates are going to 5% they will stay there for a while (maybe too long). This creates a bigger problem than inflation.
1) Many companies rely on debt.
2) Earnings will take a hit
1&2 will have an adverse effect on Foward looking PE.
The Fed is full of crap and doesn't know what it will do in 3 months from now let alone 12 months. Remember, if we took the Fed's word last fall, they forecasted ONLY one 0.25% rate increase in all of 2022. This was literally a month or two prior to the big Powell pivot. LOL!

If you wait for the formal Fed pivot, the market is going to be way ahead of you. As for earnings, bears have been warning of an earnings crash for the past 3 Qs. Still waiting.
 

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They will stay there for as long as it takes for inflation to roll over and for the unemployment to spike upward. It might not take long though and a few months later they will start to ease because they tend to overreact.
^^^^^ Bingo. The market will call the pivot several months before the Fed admits to it.
 

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^^^^^ Bingo. The market will call the pivot several months before the Fed admits to it.

 
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Don’t think Musk is done selling.
Don't care. Actually, that would be fine with me since I can add on the cheap. He's not going to be at Twitter long term. Twitter will eventually become just like Boring Co. and Neuralink. He's an engnineer at heart. Product design and manufacturing are his passions, not dealing with advertisers.

We clearly have different investment strategies, which is fine. I'm boring, which is why I don't comment much in this thread. Buy, hold, repeat.
 
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The Fed is full of crap and doesn't know what it will do in 3 months from now let alone 12 months. Remember, if we took the Fed's word last fall, they forecasted ONLY one 0.25% rate increase in all of 2022. This was literally a month or two prior to the big Powell pivot. LOL!

If you wait for the formal Fed pivot, the market is going to be way ahead of you. As for earnings, bears have been warning of an earnings crash for the past 3 Qs. Still waiting.
I agree with you that the Fed is full of crap. However, if the fed wants a spike in unemployment, they will get it. Hence, don't fight the Fed.

You are correct that the market will turn before the Pivot. But, you're wrong in assuming that I would wait for a signal from the Fed to change my tune.
 
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Jtung230

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Don't care. Actually, that would be fine with me since I can add on the cheap. He's not going to be at Twitter long term. Twitter will eventually become just like Boring Co. and Neuralink. He's an engnineer at heart. Product design and manufacturing are his passions, not dealing with advertisers.

We clearly have different investment strategies, which is fine. I'm boring, which is why I don't comment much in this thread. Buy, hold, repeat.
I think you’ll get your chance to buy on the next round he sells. Twitter is just burning through cash. You have to give Musk credit. The timing of his sales have been great.

ETA you might not have to wait too long
 
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I agree with you that the Fed is full of crap. However, if the fed wants a spike in unemployment, they will get it. Hence, don't fight the Fed.

You are correct that the market will turn before the Pivot. But, you're wrong in assuming that I would wait for a signal from the Fed to change my tune.
Fair post all around.
 

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Lex Fridman (podcaster and CS expert who has had Musk on his show) offers to run Twitter after Musk says nobody wants the job and Twitter struggling. He also said "As the saying goes, be careful what you wish, as you might get it" and "Why do so few report about millions of people crossing the border?"


 
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Lex Fridman (podcaster and CS expert who has had Musk on his show) offers to run Twitter after Musk says nobody wants the job and Twitter struggling. He also said "As the saying goes, be careful what you wish, as you might get it" and "Why do so few report about millions of people crossing the border?"



great quote and lost on America today
 
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Jtung230

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The good ole Saudi's again. I wonder how much control they took in return. Maybe they can start building more than 3-4 cars a week. LOL!
Better investment than LIV. I guess it worked for Tesla, why not Lucid. Rivian, come on down.
 

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That Eric Feigl-Ding guy is mega doomposting again about covid claiming the BF.7 omicron subvariant has an R0 of ~18 (yes, 18) even with the bivalent booster.

Claims the main effect will be economic as 60% of China is going to get it all at once.

Personally I think the guy is a drama queen in how he conducts himself in the public eye but he did call the pandemic back in Jan 2020 so who knows if he’s onto something. If he is it’s going to give the fed agita if “transitory” supply chain driven inflation returns with a vengeance.
 

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That Eric Feigl-Ding guy is mega doomposting again about covid claiming the BF.7 omicron subvariant has an R0 of ~18 (yes, 18) even with the bivalent booster.

Claims the main effect will be economic as 60% of China is going to get it all at once.

Personally I think the guy is a drama queen in how he conducts himself in the public eye but he did call the pandemic back in Jan 2020 so who knows if he’s onto something. If he is it’s going to give the fed agita if “transitory” supply chain driven inflation returns with a vengeance.
No idea who that is. There is literally a warning about the "next variant" every week. However, it is true that China has done a horrible job managing COVID. Their pop has minimal natural or vaccine protection, so eventually the **** will hit the fan over there.
 

ashokan

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That Eric Feigl-Ding guy is mega doomposting again about covid claiming the BF.7 omicron subvariant has an R0 of ~18 (yes, 18) even with the bivalent booster.

Claims the main effect will be economic as 60% of China is going to get it all at once.

Personally I think the guy is a drama queen in how he conducts himself in the public eye but he did call the pandemic back in Jan 2020 so who knows if he’s onto something. If he is it’s going to give the fed agita if “transitory” supply chain driven inflation returns with a vengeance.

Personally I think Feigel Ding-Dong is an "asset" (and he was born in China).

I used to read him on twitter early in the pandemic, but then I found out he wasn't a virologist (he poses as one but his background is in epidemiology of diet and exercise related disease).
At the time I was also banned from Twitter for posting about Dr Yon claiming virus was from a bio-weapon lab (which of course proved true).
It was curious how Ding became the biggest thing on Twitter practically overnight while legit experts were being purged (of course Musk has proven how that works).

His shrill attempts at generating panic were evident from the beginning

“HOLY MOTHER OF GOD — the new coronavirus is a 3.8!!!” he tweeted. “How bad is that reproductive R0 value? It is thermonuclear pandemic level bad — never seen an actual virality coefficient outside of Twitter in my entire career. I’m not exaggerating.”

Feigl-Ding is not a virologist. People who actually are have criticized him for tweeting an inaccurate R0."

 

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Lex Fridman (podcaster and CS expert who has had Musk on his show) offers to run Twitter after Musk says nobody wants the job and Twitter struggling. He also said "As the saying goes, be careful what you wish, as you might get it" and "Why do so few report about millions of people crossing the border?"



Ha, nice pivot by Musk. Fridman says he'll do the job for free, Musk responds you'll also have to invest your life savings. Sorry Elon, no one else is going to spend billions of dollars to take that job.
 
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That Eric Feigl-Ding guy is an absolute moron. Actual scientists (not the Desantis type) have called him out on his bs.
 

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Time to buy TSLA? :)

Musk says he'll step down as Twitter CEO after finding a replacement
This does look like it could be a support level dating back to the fall of 2020.

Next earnings date is Jan 23rd. Expected EPS of $1.23 which would put 2022 EPS at $4.00, which would put the P/E, at the current price of $140, at around 35x. EPS growth 2021 into 2022 was around 80%, expected growth into 2023 is about 37%. Which would put the fwd looking PEG at around 1.

Now will it hit those earning expectations? That is always the question in this game.

I did sell some $115 Jan 20 puts for a 3% premium.
 

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This does look like it could be a support level dating back to the fall of 2020.

Next earnings date is Jan 23rd. Expected EPS of $1.23 which would put 2022 EPS at $4.00, which would put the P/E, at the current price of $140, at around 35x. EPS growth 2021 into 2022 was around 80%, expected growth into 2023 is about 37%. Which would put the fwd looking PEG at around 1.

Now will it hit those earning expectations? That is always the question in this game.

I did sell some $115 Jan 20 puts for a 3% premium.
+1
PEG with TSLA looking very cheap. Even with all the China issues, there deliveries are still holding strong.
 

T2Kplus20

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This does look like it could be a support level dating back to the fall of 2020.

Next earnings date is Jan 23rd. Expected EPS of $1.23 which would put 2022 EPS at $4.00, which would put the P/E, at the current price of $140, at around 35x. EPS growth 2021 into 2022 was around 80%, expected growth into 2023 is about 37%. Which would put the fwd looking PEG at around 1.

Now will it hit those earning expectations? That is always the question in this game.

I did sell some $115 Jan 20 puts for a 3% premium.
Any thoughts on the sectors for 2023? Lots of folks seem bullish on industrials (obviously, if we avoid a legit recession). Perhaps a 2x sector trade? :)

I have been reading up on the Fidelity reports:
 

T2Kplus20

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Nike and Fedex had strong earnings last night boosting the market this morning.
Nice performance by 2 bellwethers of the economy. Seriously, I don't understand this recession fear. Slowdown? Probably. Recession by definition? Maybe. Legit recession? Just don't see it.
 

Jtung230

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Nice performance by 2 bellwethers of the economy. Seriously, I don't understand this recession fear. Slowdown? Probably. Recession by definition? Maybe. Legit recession? Just don't see it.
Don’t worry. The Fed will make sure you see it before they stop raising rates.