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RU05

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I will say that all those people who were driving the recent run, especially on dumb stocks like HTZ, but also the airlines and others, they are are also reactionary selling today.

Those people will likely look to buy again in the near term.

Something to think about for short term trading though, not so much long term investing. I thinks anyways.
 

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I'm chill. Like I said I'm still way in the black.

Are we at the buying point yet? Certainly better then Monday, but I'm not sure we are there yet.
Buying tomorrow, but that is part of our normal schedule. We buy every Monday and on every other Friday. Stick to the plan! :)
 

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Do those algorithms know what the other algorithms are doing? Like is there very distinct levels created by many algorithms being on the same page?

Algos do not set levels. They can be in and out of a trade in less than a second. Levels are created by big institutional buyers who accumulate if they feel we are going higher or close out long positions via distribution. They need participants on the other side of the trade to enter or exit a position and that is why price gravitate towards areas of high volume or VPOC's.

Quants don't care what the other algos are doing. I would even say they are not playing against each other. They are most interested in seeing where large orders are coming from and front run them. We all know where institutions are buyers and sellers. Institutions want to get back to these areas in order to continue with distribution or accumulation. Quants know this and with algos they facilitate this process.

Also need to understand that algos are not looking for big moves. They can ride the smallest of moves 100's of thousands of times a day.
 
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Buying tomorrow, but that is part of our normal schedule. We buy every Monday and on every other Friday. Stick to the plan! :)
The better question for you is when is it not time to buy?

This is clearly a pump and dump. Feel bad for all those that got in late.
 

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Cash is King (again) and has been for the past 3+ months. Every major corporation is chasing liquidity. Consumers who drive the economy aren't spending when/if the "new normal" is 20,000 Covid cases/1,000 Covid deaths a day. Household savings rate has doubled since the onset of the Covid pandemic. That is a bad metric in this country. $1T injected in to the market and people day trading their government checks isn't the same as an economic recovery.

As a real estate developer I'll always have some exposure to the market as it is my best way to diversify, but I've been in 40+% fixed income product for quite some time now (mid 2019). And I've taken a healthy chunk of my remaining stock portfolio and converted it to cash since March. I dont believe a 75% consumer economy can thrive in the current condition of the US.

Just my $0.02
 
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This is a very short term view, but worth noting, there is a VPOC right here around SPX 3015 - 3010. Can push sightly lower, but expecting buyers to put up a fight and maybe reverse some of the damage done today. Sub 3K get dangerous for longs.
 

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Should be an interesting day tomorrow/Friday !

I don't believe that anyone is opening trading accounts with their 'government checks'. Mary Anne is buying stuff with something called pay pal for all the grandkids and everyone's homes. I just make her use AMEX as much as she can and get points for more 'stuff'.

I have a hard time with electric cars/trucks. My feelings are IF General Motors can't build one and service it, why will anyone else be able to do it with an economic 'model' that will survive.

Yeah, Yeah, but what about Tesla ? Everyone asks ? Is he really profitable ? With the average American's car on the road now at 11 years old, up from recently 10 years old, can he sell enough at 85 k to make money at 30 K ?
 

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Sorry, I meant 3250, not 3350. If for the week we close above 3250, my outlook would change (reverse) to targets above, so S&P higher.

Why 2300?

Hard to explain without making this post really long, but I'll summarize.

1 - Looking at Regular trading hours only (RTH), we have several gaps in price below (un-auctioned areas). Algos (hedge funds, institutions, etc) will not leave these areas uncontested. The auction process is all about price discovery, these areas (gaps) have not been touched, they need to be revisited before price and volume can build higher. Not because I say so, but there is data that shows this.

2 - Along with the gaps, we have naked volume points of control below. If I recall, a total of about 9-10 of them. Like the gaps above, algos will make sure that these are closed. Again, not because I say so, there is a specific reason for it. Google Naked VPOC.

Together, between the gaps and the naked VPOCS, you have approximately a dozen uncontested areas below. Historically, that is too many. We had about the same amount leading up to the end of 2019. Every single one of them was revisited and taken out almost to the tick which brought us just below 2200 in March.
In which case the scenario flips? If it hits 3350 then buys are automatically initiated?
 

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NIkola is no TESLA....careful.

We’ve experienced a historic bounce over the last 2 months. Don’t get caught holding the bag.

....and it’s worth repeating. The next leg may be down. S&P 2300 or lower.

If we close S&P 3350 + this week, I may reverse.
For sure, and I am smart enough to spread the money around, had about 1% of my portfolio was NKLA. And I did hit with it, and I cashed out half.

Now, it also should be noted NKLA is trading in the 60's while TSLA is in the 900's. So NKLA is not TSLA, but it's not priced like TSLA either.
 

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When you say you made a ton are you saying that you pull out your profits and put it into other things or do you mean you have made a ton on paper or both?
More on paper/in our accounts. Our cash and investments are separate. Our contributions to each are on auto-pilot.
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With the Covid influence likely putting more pressure on the market I bought some REGN and some CYDY.

Still have about 12% sitting out on the sidelines. Good level?
 
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This guy predicted, or maybe inspired, FCEL's run yesterday.

https://seekingalpha.com/article/4353045-fuelcell-energy-breakout-confirmed

But 2 things that maybe point towards fuel cells becoming more established:

1)Their deal with Exxon.

2)Nikola, which is pushing fuel cells as part of their future.

Seems they have done a better job in reigning in losses, at least in the short term.

You may be right - and I hope you are. Meanwhile my stake in FCEL has been pushed down to about $25. I'll ride my 10 shares till they hit the moon or die. (Note: There were a pair of reverse 1-10 stock splits. I actually owned something like 700 shares at one point.) LOL. Can only laugh at these things. Other investments have fared much, much better.
 
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RU05

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Should be an interesting day tomorrow/Friday !

I don't believe that anyone is opening trading accounts with their 'government checks'. Mary Anne is buying stuff with something called pay pal for all the grandkids and everyone's homes. I just make her use AMEX as much as she can and get points for more 'stuff'.

I have a hard time with electric cars/trucks. My feelings are IF General Motors can't build one and service it, why will anyone else be able to do it with an economic 'model' that will survive.

Yeah, Yeah, but what about Tesla ? Everyone asks ? Is he really profitable ? With the average American's car on the road now at 11 years old, up from recently 10 years old, can he sell enough at 85 k to make money at 30 K ?
1)You don't think there are some guys who are making $600 extra on their unemployment hearing about the market going up and thinking? Yup.

2)Maybe these electric upstarts by focusing solely on electric have an edge on the big guys who are still predominantly gas powered?

Also as technology improves those electrics become better and cheaper.

The fact that there are electric semi trucks is pretty amazing to me.
 

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Bond Yield for the most part down and the Fed committed to near zero rates through 2021. Throw in all of the Fed infusion, I see the market bouncing back .

The only thing I see affecting the market is a second wave and businesses closing down again. I am going to be buying tomorrow.
 

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Cash is King (again) and has been for the past 3+ months. Every major corporation is chasing liquidity. Consumers who drive the economy aren't spending when/if the "new normal" is 20,000 Covid cases/1,000 Covid deaths a day. Household savings rate has doubled since the onset of the Covid pandemic. That is a bad metric in this country. $1T injected in to the market and people day trading their government checks isn't the same as an economic recovery.

As a real estate developer I'll always have some exposure to the market as it is my best way to diversify, but I've been in 40+% fixed income product for quite some time now (mid 2019). And I've taken a healthy chunk of my remaining stock portfolio and converted it to cash since March. I dont believe a 75% consumer economy can thrive in the current condition of the US.

Just my $0.02
except when inflation soars
 

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Bond Yield for the most part down and the Fed committed to near zero rates through 2021. Throw in all of the Fed infusion, I see the market bouncing back .

The only thing I see affecting the market is a second wave and businesses closing down again. I am going to be buying tomorrow.
Why not extended hours?

Spirit already up 4.5% Edit: back down to up 1%.
 
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This is a very short term view, but worth noting, there is a VPOC right here around SPX 3015 - 3010. Can push sightly lower, but expecting buyers to put up a fight and maybe reverse some of the damage done today. Sub 3K get dangerous for longs.
Closed at 3002.

Hanging by a fingernail?
 

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Bond Yield for the most part down and the Fed committed to near zero rates through 2021. Throw in all of the Fed infusion, I see the market bouncing back .

The only thing I see affecting the market is a second wave and businesses closing down again. I am going to be buying tomorrow.
Seriously, with interest rates at zero, where else can you go for long-term returns? For most people, it's either the market or essentially under your mattress. The market will continue to go up with the slightest bit of good news. Society is emotional right now, so we will have these down days from time to time.
 

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Purchased some more today near end of trading. Hopefully a good day tomorrow.
 

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1)You don't think there are some guys who are making $600 extra on their unemployment hearing about the market going up and thinking? Yup.

2)Maybe these electric upstarts by focusing solely on electric have an edge on the big guys who are still predominantly gas powered?

Also as technology improves those electrics become better and cheaper.

The fact that there are electric semi trucks is pretty amazing to me.

Guy I spoke to was at a green conference that I was at West of West Point.. He had the big Tesla and I asked him what he thought about the car ? "Greatest car I've ever owned ! Now I'm heading the Syracuse and it won't cost me a cent of gas !"

I thought where is he going to recharge IF he gets to Cuse and how long will that take to charge ? (There is only ONE Tesla charging place anywhere around me.....and we're talking Syracuse for being trendy ?)

I'm not against them, it's just in NY State as Cuomo shuts down power generation plants that currently produce 25 % of the electric power needs DAILY for NY State and electric cars need.....electric power.....where's the electric power generation coming from ?
 

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Seriously, with interest rates at zero, where else can you go for long-term returns? For most people, it's either the market or essentially under your mattress. The market will continue to go up with the slightest bit of good news. Society is emotional right now, so we will have these down days from time to time.
Was thinking about this, but with low interest rates how bout real estate? Especially those looking to get out of cities.
 

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Was thinking about this, but with low interest rates how bout real estate? Especially those looking to get out of cities.
For the vast majority of people, this isn't an option due to lack of knowledge and resources. Perhaps, but you really need to know your ****. A basic REIT isn't going to cut it.
 

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For the vast majority of people, this isn't an option due to lack of knowledge and resources. Perhaps, but you really need to know your ****. A basic REIT isn't going to cut it.
No actual real estate, buy some acreage out in Montana.
 
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Was thinking about this, but with low interest rates how bout real estate? Especially those looking to get out of cities.

The time to invest in real estate was on January 20, 2017. Easiest investment call ever. If someone in my office brought me a ground up development project today I’d fire them on the spot.*

* unless it was for/ related to Amazon’s HQ2 here in DC
 

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The time to invest in real estate was on January 20, 2017. Easiest investment call ever. If someone in my office brought me a ground up development project today I’d fire them on the spot.*

* unless it was for Amazon or around Amazon’s HQ2 here in DC
So with interest rates near zero and inflation on the horizon you don't see buying into real estate outside the city proper as a good call?

Though taking a loan and not using held funds is a different consideration then what I originally proposed.
 

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So with interest rates near zero and inflation on the horizon you don't see buying into real estate outside the city proper as a good call?

Though taking a loan and not using held funds is a different consideration then what I originally proposed.

If you believe in near term inflation, low interest rates, then the dollar will weaken. Isn't that a perfect situation for precious metals like gold and silver?
 

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So with interest rates near zero and inflation on the horizon you don't see buying into real estate outside the city proper as a good call?

Though taking a loan and not using held funds is a different consideration then what I originally proposed.

Outside the city proper? Definitely not.