Bonds are in the toilet, interest rates are garbage, only one place to put your money for decent returns. Long-term trend is up and will remain so. Take advantage of the buying opportunities!
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I am going to take advantage of the buying opportunities. We just have a different definition of buying opportunities. It'll be interesting to see what happens with GME tomorrow. Earnings sucked and will suspend guidance. Will it matter? To the moon or crash landing. So fun.
And your logical fallacy is you're putting way too much emphasis on brand loyalty. I may be loyal to a brand, but will certainly investigate another if I know I'm getting more for less.
Most efficient
Best tech
Safest
Best value
Best autonomy
Best entertainment
Best charging network
and yes, they're headed by the most badass CEO the world has ever seen.
But, but, but...the competition is coming! No, there not. It's a race for 2nd place. Tesla has won the decade. It's not close. I hope VW's battery presentation has awoken you from your slumber to this fact.
I'm not saying they capture even half of the vehicle market. That's impossible. Plenty of people go into a restaurant and order the 7th or 8th best entree. They'll certainly have the biggest piece of the pie by the end of the decade and they'll continue to sell every vehicle they produce.
"Those are the sort of challenges that we don't have"
Did you see the specs on their car? Looks like they have some challenges, no? Hubris is a *****.
I'm looking for tech value opportunities. You?
GME is down 13% in after hours.
Intel up 6% in after hours.
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I didn't see their specs. It's all too expensive for me. I agree TSLA have all different types of challenges. Earnings is a big one. The stock already awarded guys that bought in early. But buying in now will be a different story. I'm too busy shorting GME so wish all of you luck. Will check back in 2031.
INTC popping on the news that they will build a $20B plant in AZ in order to meet the worldwide demand for chips.
We just talked about them. Cheap multiples, but shrinking earnings. The new CEO looking to change the direction of those earnings.
We just talked about them. Cheap multiples, but shrinking earnings. The new CEO looking to change the direction of those earnings.
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Hopefully they sell every one they produce. That goal is always achieved in time. But, will they have the demand that is consistent with what they can optimally produce.? There is not enough evidence at this time that Tesla will dominate the market when there is more EV competition. And, even if they are the best, it doesn’t mean that everyone will want one. There are many many cars that I can afford, and would love to own. Do I buy them? No! I buy the car that’s right for me and my family. And by the way, I work in a very large organization, and I don’t know one person that owns a Tesla, or is planning to buy one. Does Tesla manufacture great cars? Yes, that seems to be the case. However, they will need to sell a crap ton of vehicles in the future to justify their price. Time to sit back and watch.
LB3
the funny thing is that it could go up tomorrow. Even in the aftermarket, it pop after the earnings report.
Hope that happens. XLE has pulled back about 10% in the past 2 weeks. Still up 20% though.
First of all, there is perhaps no industry that relies on brand loyalty more than the auto industry. Second of all, your “Best...best...best” response is based on little more than your personal opinion including the “badass CEO” comment. The fact that you won’t concede a single point on Tesla leads me to believe you are irrational when it comes to anything Tesla or Musk related.
"The fact that you won’t concede a single point on Tesla leads me to believe you are irrational when it comes to anything Tesla or Musk related."
Truly an ironic statement coming from LB1.
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Give me a break - I hope you are kidding. I’ve said that Tesla is a great company a dozen times. That Musk is a visionary. That I would buy Tesla stock in a hot second at the right price/valuation. What are you talking about?!
As I have some high beta oil plays, in addition to some bigger names in the sector, I've been lagging the past couple days, and hit pretty hard today.
So yeah, hope it happens.
Just to add - for purposes of this thread, I simply evaluate TSLA from an investment perspective and I believe it’s way too expensive, and is propped up by retail speculation and Musk/CW shenanigans. If it dropped to a number I was comfortable with I’d have no problem owning it even with competition on the horizon. But if I listened to the people pushing it at $900 I’d be in a world of pain right now.
Personal opinion?
Sometimes you're able to articulate a reasonable point, other times you just lie out of your ***. It's a poor reflection of your character, and diminishes your credibility. Because you must know I could site a long list of publications, articles, and automotive experts who would support my claims about Tesla vehicles.
For some reason you think I care about Tesla or Musk. Let’s be clear - I don’t. This is a stock and investment thread and not a debate over whether Belly’s car is the “best”. I get it - you love your Tesla and you are passionate about the brand and the Technoking. But don’t get all pissy because someone doesn’t think Tesla is awesome. Personally, I’d never buy a Tesla because I think they are ugly and the interior feels like a Mazda (other than the massive screen). I’ve driven nothing but BMWs for the last 20 years. I’m sure there are plenty of people that think BMWs suck and that’s fine by me. So, again, is Tesla a good investment at the current levels? I would argue that it is not.
BMW's are disgusting. And mostly, the people that drive them desperately pretend to be something they are not. See how that works?
Time to grow up and stop with the emotional nonsense. Start posting like a normal person and perhaps Belly will stop crushing you with facts.
When you prove him wrong, he goes emotional and posts like a child. Not a good look!
T2Kplus20 - there isn’t a person on this board that thinks you know your *** from your elbow when it comes to investing. You begged everyone to buy TSLA at almost $900. Then at $800. Then at $700. All of your spec tech plays are in the ******* right now because you don’t understand what a sector rotation means and the impact of rising interest rates. You also talk like a BTC big shot yet your crypto research consists of watching “Guy the crypto guy” videos, and unfortunately post that horrible scripted trash here. If you want to add value to this thread, cut the cheerleading BS and show us that you understand how fundamentals drive long term stock appreciation instead of riding the same Fed induced market wave that has inflated all of our investment accounts.
More comical emotions and attacks. Sorry, but you are being given a 1-week timeout.
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Ouch. When did you jump into the oil plays? I think you should still be up nicely. If oil heads to $80'ish, all will be good!
Sorry to break up the name calling and the childish discussion related to TSLA, but today’s news on INTC could potentially be a game changer. Dips in INTC should be bought (my opinion). INTC still needs to prove itself in the nano chips.
I'm still up overall in Oil, but last couple days have stung.
The market responded very well to the news. INTC was up +6% during after hours. What are your thoughts on the near term opportunity?
FMV for XOM is still $74, nice room to grow. XLE is a big part of our backdoor Roth IRAs (about 20% allocation). This is our one managed account, so our financial advisor is watching this closely.
As that factory is still years off, and they need to be able to produce a product that companies will buy, they are still some years off, so I imagine there will be buying opportunities.
But a company that currently makes a ton of money, yet is valued pretty inexpensively in relation to those earnings, in a sector that will certainly continue to grow, and is now being led by a CEO that seems to have a plan so as to capture a larger % of that growing sector? It might not be prudent to wait too long.
FYI - new MS analysis on XOM and CVX. Will get it over to you.
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NFT or a model S? Tough choices for Bitcoin owners.
This guy clearly didn't read Belly's memo.
That is a rather nuanced topic. There is a POV that some regulation would be a huge positive for BTC and cryptos. This includes the typical money laundering regulations. While a lot of institutional money has moved into BTC, there is still way more waiting on the sidelines. Such protections will make BTC a safer asset option.
Obviously, governments can go too far and try to screw things up, but due to the decentralized blockchain, it would be hard to really impact it.
Oils get hit every time there's a new wave of shutdowns like what's happening in Europe. If XOM drops to 50 you get a 5.8% dividend while you wait. Nowhere near as good as 10.2% if your purchase price was 35 like last summer. Of course it will never go to $30,000 per share.