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RUTGERS95

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I think crypto will level off a bit and remember, before every move up, we see 20-30% drop

energy is still the place to be imho as reality vs liberal idiocy is starting to turn. CPE, XOM, nuclear, and some carbon capture looks good to me

did I mention tankers? lol

fcel and plug getting hammed
 
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RU05

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I'm high on GHVI/Matterport, just don't now when is the right time. Even after the merger, you normally is a 8-10% dilution within the first quarter due to warrants and new shares. I guess you need to get in real early or wait for all the dust to settle.
Back to this idea, I like the long term of potential of some of these companies, but I don't want to sit there watching it do nothing for 6 months waiting for it to report.
 

RU05

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I think crypto will level off a bit and remember, before every move up, we see 20-30% drop

energy is still the place to be imho as reality vs liberal idiocy is starting to turn. CPE, XOM, nuclear, and some carbon capture looks good to me

did I mention tankers? lol

fcel and plug getting hammed
BTC had been bouncing between 50ish and 60ish, so that 20% drop may have already happened.

I do think traditional energy will continue on a decent run, while the companies like PLUG which are still up tremendously over the last year, will continue to pull back. But I do think the green energy stocks will prove to be the better options.
 

T2Kplus20

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Back to this idea, I like the long term of potential of some of these companies, but I don't want to sit there watching it do nothing for 6 months waiting for it to report.
As for GHVI and Matterport, we don't even know when the merger will be completed. My plan is to wait until the merger is complete and the first quarter reports (which is when dilution and warrants normally hit). I may miss the very bottom, but if the company has legs, there will be plenty of upside to go around even if I wait this long.
 

T2Kplus20

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I think crypto will level off a bit and remember, before every move up, we see 20-30% drop

energy is still the place to be imho as reality vs liberal idiocy is starting to turn. CPE, XOM, nuclear, and some carbon capture looks good to me

did I mention tankers? lol

fcel and plug getting hammed
Got into XLE at the beginning of the year. I'm up about 30%. 👍
 

phs73rc77gsm83

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OMG I laughed so hard when I saw this. Those guys will be bankrupt and looking at jail time within a year now that CNBC put the spotlight on them.


I don’t know, I didn’t read their 10k or other SEC filings except a glance at their S-1A but if I had to guess it may be unsophisticated day traders that are just buying it. Maybe the principals have done something that merits SEC investigation but maybe it’s just dumb investors. I guess we’ll see. Here is their S-1. They clearly state their is a going concern and many risks. I’m not sure why they are incorporated in Nevada but that that a,y or may not be a flag. Anyone who invested in this after reading the registration... well.

 
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czxqa

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I don’t know, I didn’t read their 10k or other SEC filings but if I had to guess it may be unsophisticated day traders that are just buying it. Maybe the principals have done something that merits SEC investigation but maybe it’s just dumb investors. I guess we’ll see.
Yeah but there are guys out there that make a living finding BS stocks like this. They become market makers, then naked short the thing to zero. Fiero Brothers did that to an outfit I was a cold caller for years ago, First Hanover Securities. When First Hanover went under it made the cover of Business Week.
 

phs73rc77gsm83

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Yeah but there are guys out there that make a living finding BS stocks like this. They become market makers, then naked short the thing to zero. Fiero Brothers did that to an outfit I was a cold caller for years ago, First Hanover Securities. When First Hanover went under it made the cover of Business Week.
Agreed. My point was some people are buying shares in companies or SPACs that is not grounded in anything rational. A quick look at the registration and recent financials obviously leads one o the conclusion that the market cap is completely unjustified. Some of them then fall victim to shorts and others. The principals may or may not be doing anything wrong. Could just be dumb investors.
 
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rurahrah000

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Back to this idea, I like the long term of potential of some of these companies, but I don't want to sit there watching it do nothing for 6 months waiting for it to report.
If this was 2019, I would say go for it. Last year, was a once a decade market. Everything went up and went up quickly. Most years, this is not the case. Lot of it is slow movement. If a stock moves up or down quickly, then it usually adjusts to fill the gap.

Average S&P beat thus far in the 1st qtr? 22%. Historical average is 2-3%.

This is first week of earnings. Most of the reporting is banks. They always beat.


Penny/OTC stocks have little to no oversight. That is why I cringe when these stocks are suggested on this forum with very little real investments. If I was ever t invest in a penny/OTC stock, which is highly unlikely, I would need to visit the company, talk with the owners/CEO and look at their business with my own eyes. Certainly would not rely on internet forum to invest.
 
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Jtung230

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If this was 2019, I would say go for it. Last year, was a once a decade market. Everything went up and went up quickly. Most years, this is not the case. Lot of it is slow movement. If a stock moves up or down quickly, then it usually adjusts to fill the gap.



This is first week of earnings. Most of the reporting is banks. They always beat.



Penny/OTC stocks have little to no oversight. That is why I cringe when these stocks are suggested on this forum with very little real investments. If I was ever t invest in a penny/OTC stock, which is highly unlikely, I would need to visit the company, talk with the owners/CEO and look at their business with my own eyes. Certainly would not rely on internet forum to invest.
Does watching a YouTube video count?
 
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bob-loblaw

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If you exclude TSLA, CW, ARK, and crypto, this thread would be 5 pages.
I did my part to help by removing the crypto banter.

I keep DCA'ing into QS. The dips in alternative energy plays right now is staggering. A few weeks ago it was tech getting slaughtered. Im happy to have had cash on the sidelines to grab some lont term plays on the dips
 

Jtung230

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I did my part to help by removing the crypto banter.

I keep DCA'ing into QS. The dips in alternative energy plays right now is staggering. A few weeks ago it was tech getting slaughtered. Im happy to have had cash on the sidelines to grab some lont term plays on the dips
I’m certainly not endorsing anyone to buy this stock. I just bought more as a protest buy to the terrible short report.
 
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rurahrah000

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It's probably to a fault but I am super diversified. COIN makes up about 1% of my portfolio. Crypto overall is maybe around 10%, and though that may seem high, I've peeled a ton of profits over the last 8 months, so it has earned a significant allocation.

I don't mean to act like your father, but you should invest more in index funds. From all your posts, it seems like you have way too much beta in your stocks. You don't necessarily need a high percentage of your portfolio with high beta to get good alpha.
 

RU05

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I don't mean to act like your father, but you should invest more in index funds. From all your posts, it seems like you have way too much beta in your stocks. You don't necessarily need a high percentage of your portfolio with high beta to get good alpha.
I do like the beta, thinking being, if the market is jumping the beta plays are the bigger winners.

But I'm not all high beta. I just tend to talk about them more. IBM, VZ, BMY, NRG, NJR, RGA, amongst others.

Maybe down the road I'll go index funds, but I'm enjoying the process and finding and trading stocks.
 

czxqa

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Agreed. My point was some people are buying shares in companies or SPACs that is not grounded in anything rational. A quick look at the registration and recent financials obviously leads one o the conclusion that the market cap is completely unjustified. Some of them then fall victim to shorts and others. They principals may or may not be doing anything wrong. Could just be dumb investors.
You're right on both counts, dumb investors and imbalanced markets. The first has always been around and always will be. The second I think is more complicated; there are, in my mind, two main variables in play. First, the radical changes in financial markets from the effect of '08 compounded the error of repealing Glass Steagall by, in effect, putting the bulk of the investment banking business under the restrictions of banking regulations. The result? Private equity and VC filled the gap. Now hedge funds make billions that used to be made in free markets. IPO's used to benefit private investors, whether through buying shares or holding mutual funds that did. Today, companies only go public once the bulk of the growth in valuation over. How this works out, and I don't think I'm out of line when I say it's unsustainable, I have no idea. Too many variables, and once politics is involved, too many ideologies that are ever shifting.

SPAC's are not a new idea, I remember dealing with one outfit in '96, Frost Hanna, which was a SPAC to resurrect Pan Am. Stock went from a couple bucks to $17 but eventually went to zero. They have been popping up like mushrooms, but I expect that will work itself out in time. Many will fizzle, some will soar, then fizzle, one in a hundred or a thousand will work out. I'm not touching any of it.

Second thing is what affects the market overall and the valuations people are projecting. We've been through a bear market or five in our lifetimes, and to be honest, we all know the ropes at this point. Things are going well, everyone thinks this is the new normal, things start to go sideways, people panic, we have a selloff, then a downturn, the bear guys come in and spend their cash buying stuff up, eventually we recover. This time, though, I think we're in a bit of a different scenario. First, I think the 08 crisis built an expectation into many market participants that the Fed or fiscal policy would be there to bail everyone out. Based on the actions of the current administration and the last one, and Powell's Fed, I can see that's a reasonable short term assumption. The other half of that is the expectation people have when making future earnings growth estimates for valuation projections. things are going to return to normal and they have in every other cycle. The one thing I don't see is a discount for the uncertainty surrounding a resolution to the pandemic. Everything is sunshine and roses. That screams at me. I'm fully invested other than my reserve. but I'm an inch or three away from dumping everything
 
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Jtung230

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The economy will BOOM this year. Sure, some will worry about inflation, but company earnings will be off the charts and justify higher stock prices.
We all agreed that the market is forward looking. The equity market is at an all time high. You shouldn’t buy stocks now based on the next 6-12 month expectations. You should start thinking past that and ask the question can the economy sustain the bounce or will there be a drop off.
 

T2Kplus20

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We all agreed that the market is forward looking. The equity market is at an all time high. You shouldn’t buy stocks now based on the next 6-12 month expectations. You should start thinking past that and ask the question can the economy sustain the bounce or will there be a drop off.
Yes, the economy will be fine and continue to grow. So will the market. Can't lose out on the up by being scared of the down (which are always temporary).

#alwaysbuying
 

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When a central bank prints money like a drunken sailor, inflation inevitably follows. It could show up anywhere, gold, natural resources, consumer products, real estate, etc. If you look at history, there is no constant (although many point to gold) Currently inflation is showing up in public equity markets and bitcoin.

That's why this bull market could continue for a while.
 
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T2Kplus20

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I have been investing every week with this breakdown 65(vti) 30 (vxus) 5(ARKK) is this still a smart way to invest or am I set up for failure.

Also do a similar breakdown with similar funds in my 401k
I would tweak this a bit:

60% VTI
20% VXUS
10% VGT or IGM (ETF for traditional big name tech)
5% SOXX (ETF for semiconductors)
5% ARKK

This would essentially give you:

60% US Market
20% Global Market (which is plenty)
20% Growth

I assume you are relatively young and have a long time horizon until retirement. This is an allocation that you can roll with long-term. Personally, I use more funds, but in general this is my plan as well.
 

phs73rc77gsm83

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I have been investing every week with this breakdown 65(vti) 30 (vxus) 5(ARKK) is this still a smart way to invest or am I set up for failure.

Also do a similar breakdown with similar funds in my 401k
Personally, I think this is fine. You get total US equity with also some International equity exposure, and a bit of tech(above what you get in the total market). The Vanguard ones are very low in terms of expense ratios. They are also tax efficient. To me your proportions are fine but I might decrease international and cut it in half.Having said that, I don’t know your age but I’m guessing you are relatively young. Do you have some sort of emergency fund that would cover expenses for several months if needed? Any big expenses coming up? I was almost 100% equities until my mid to late 50s, when I started to rebalance to some cash and bonds in case the market had a prolonged downturn (don’t want to sell equities in a down marker).
 
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I would tweak this a bit:

60% VTI
20% VXUS
10% VGT or IGM (ETF for traditional big name tech)
5% SOXX (ETF for semiconductors)
5% ARKK

This would essentially give you:

60% US Market
20% Global Market (which is plenty)
20% Growth

I assume you are relatively young and have a long time horizon until retirement. This is an allocation that you can roll with long-term. Personally, I use more funds, but in general this is my plan as well.
28 next month, and my 401k breakdown is as follows.

55 VFIAX
15 VSGAX
15 VIMAX
15 DFIEX
 

T2Kplus20

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28 next month, and my 401k breakdown is as follows.

55 VFIAX
15 VSGAX
15 VIMAX
15 DFIEX
One thought (and I know you are at the mercy of your choices for a 401k), but I would add a Large Cap Growth fund if available. Perhaps:

45 VFIAX
15 Large Cap Growth
15 VSGAX - good
15 VIMAX - good
10 DFIEX - a bit of a weaker international fund, going down to 10% is fine

Thoughts?
 
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Personally, I think this is fine. You get total US equity with also some International equity exposure, and a bit of tech(above what you get in the total market). The Vanguard ones are very low in terms of expense ratios. They are also tax efficient. To me your proportions are fine but I might decrease international and cut it in half.Having said that, I don’t know your age but I’m guessing you are relatively young. Do you have some sort of emergency fund that would cover expenses for several months if needed? Any big expenses coming up? I was almost 100% equities until my mid to late 50s, when I started to rebalance to some cash and bonds in case the market had a prolonged downturn (don’t want to sell equities in a down marker).

I'm almost 28.

Have enough to cover any sort of "emergency fund/big expenses" I currently put 150 per week into my brokerage account and about 180-200 a week into my 401k. The rest of my paycheck goes to checking/savings.
 

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I'm almost 28.

Have enough to cover any sort of "emergency fund/big expenses" I currently put 150 per week into my brokerage account and about 180-200 a week into my 401k. The rest of my paycheck goes to checking/savings.

If your company offers an option for Roth 401k, then consider putting the 150/week in that account instead. I agree with putting more funds in the growth funds. Higher volatility but better long term performance. I am not sure if the midcap funds are worth the time, but financial planners may disagree.
 
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