The VIAC bull case is either the stock price goes up. or it stays ridiculously cheap and thus a prime(no pun) M&A target.
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VIAC is interesting here, but need to see t break through the 50 day moving average. If it does so, then off to the races.
Yea I've mentioned that in the past and that's exactly why I'm skeptical of Apple ever making a bold move. There was a time Netflix was rumored as an acquisition target and they never went for it. Eventually they created AppleTV+ instead. I wonder if they like to do things on their own rather than through acquisition. Moving away from Intel to their own in-house chips is another example. Unless Tim Cook has a big change of heart or there's new management, I'd have to see it to believe it.
They have been been diversifying away from just hardware. I think their services revenue is about 70 billion for 2021 and been growing at a steady rate. It's probably about 20% of total revenue for the year. Everyone loves to beef up services revenue and recurring income streams.
Here's and interesting comparison.
TSLA Price to Revs. 24x.
NIO price to Rev's. 10x.
TSLA is currently profitable. NIO not projected to be profitable until 2023.
Projected 2023 PE's based on current stock price.
TSLA 140x
NIO 30x.
TSLA rev growth 2020-2021. About 67%. Projected 2021-22: 40ish%
NIO rev growth 2020-21: 100%. Projected 2021-22: about 70%.
Note: 2021 4th qtr's not yet reported.
Chinese Gov't both a head wind, and a tailwind for NIO.
I do see the argument that TSLA is more then just a car company. Not so sure about NIO, but I imagine they are at least in autonomous driving.
Where can I see autonomous driving first become commonplace? I'd probably lean China.
TSLA Price to Revs. 24x.
NIO price to Rev's. 10x.
TSLA is currently profitable. NIO not projected to be profitable until 2023.
Projected 2023 PE's based on current stock price.
TSLA 140x
NIO 30x.
TSLA rev growth 2020-2021. About 67%. Projected 2021-22: 40ish%
NIO rev growth 2020-21: 100%. Projected 2021-22: about 70%.
Note: 2021 4th qtr's not yet reported.
Chinese Gov't both a head wind, and a tailwind for NIO.
I do see the argument that TSLA is more then just a car company. Not so sure about NIO, but I imagine they are at least in autonomous driving.
Where can I see autonomous driving first become commonplace? I'd probably lean China.
Even for that they had to be cajoled by Icahn some years back.
Like dividends, don’t care for buybacks. Too often ill timed by management.
Apple should buy Peleton and Tonal to have more hardware business to interconnect into their platforms and focus on home dominance and subscription services.
Amazon has an investment in Tonal so not sure Apple would ever be a player for it.
QCOM sat at $120 for a bit, got on a run, broke out past $160, ran to $180 consolidated for a bit, breaking out again.
Great run, and still cheap.
Great run, and still cheap.
Even with the recent tech and NDVA weakness, SOXX has been strong. Slowly started positions in MTTR, PINS, and SOFI in my short term account. Also have a moderate amount of RIOT for the next crypto pump.
Eyeing a few others to add to my long hold stocks.
They just talked SOFI on the halftime. They hated the recent secondary and think it could take awhile, like a couple qtr's, to recover from it. Though Terranova is hanging in as a holder.
I've had too big of a position for months, should have cut it in half when it was at $24 not too long ago, but I was greedy.
Take early year losses?
MTTR may turn into a long hold. I like the tech. Just nibbled since it is under $18 now. I will likely DCA if it continues to go down (which may happen, but who knows). When tech rotations end, they end quickly.
Nothing wrong with banking some early losses. Makes it easier to trim as needed.
I’m in same boat but won’t sell until after student loan moratorium expires. I think it will start moving in 2Q.
Looks like the fed is finally taking away the punch bowl, but if you were positioned properly (some value, materials and energy stocks), you should be fine. 2021 was a very solid year in this space and the 1st three days in 2022 have been great. Especially compared to the overall market. ARKK at $87.72, yikes.
^^^^^ The chicken littles are out in force today. The Feds may go from zero rates to still historically low rates. LOL.
Be patient. May be the best buying opportunity since March 2020. Enjoy!
Actually my post was positive, except for my ARKK comment. I know it’s a sore subject for you given that you got sucked into the ETF for the first time in January 2021. At this point it could be a buying opportunity, so not disagreeing with you…..it’s just not for me. My strategy is to invest in companies with a solid profile, are profitable and have decent earnings growth.
Although Omicron less severe, fact that stocks like Clorox and CVS up nicely over past few days probably means it’s having an impact on Q1. Seems to be rampant in Northern NJ based on what I’ve seen.
I work in South NJ. 23% of our employees have tested positive since 12/24. Fun times.
Honestly, regarding ARKK. Lesson learned throughout 2021. I scrambled, traded, sold, bought, and sold. Got out of it at a minimal lost. See my 2021 final returns. I was a little behind the S&P due to ARKK. LOL!
Dabbled with ARKF for a while, but got out of that one at a very modest positive.
However, I am seriously eyeing ARKG!
As the saying goes, Honesty is the best policy. C-Dub is a ghost now that her CNBC pump-and-dump nonsense ended and ARKK has been annihilated. With her positions like ROKU going from $480 to under $200 I’m not sure how ARKK can recover in the short term.Honestly, regarding ARKK. Lesson learned throughout 2021. I scrambled, traded, sold, bought, and sold. Got out of it at a minimal lost. See my 2021 final returns. I was a little behind the S&P due to ARKK. LOL!
Dabbled with ARKF for a while, but got out of that one at a very modest positive.
However, I am seriously eyeing ARKG!
Honestly, regarding ARKK. Lesson learned throughout 2021. I scrambled, traded, sold, bought, and sold. Got out of it at a minimal lost. See my 2021 final returns. I was a little behind the S&P due to ARKK. LOL!
Dabbled with ARKF for a while, but got out of that one at a very modest positive.
However, I am seriously eyeing ARKG!
Your initial instincts might have been right, when on 12/31/2020 you said you “wouldn’t touch ARKK and Bitcoin with a ten foot poll.” I figured you cooled on ARKK and Ms. Wood when you stopped posting her videos and listing her daily purchases. Glad you avoided the major damage!
Now we need to see what stocks to consider on the downswing. I repurchased a little PLTR at the end of the day and sticking with my energy, value, and materials stocks, which now exceed 50% of my portfolio.
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LOL!
I have been essentially working from home for the past 2 years, so I have plenty of time. Funny thing, about 95-97% of our investments are funds and etfs that are rarely touched. So all of these posts are about the little crumbs left over! AKA, fun money.
Is this the big correction or people just read this article? I’m been moving to dividend stocks and cash(huge cash position)the last month. I’m a chicken little.
Far too much time but it’s become my favorite hobby next to fishing. I don’t do fantasy football and really only follow college sports. Investing is a way of life!
I do most of my trading before and after the market open and closes and I’m retired but maybe 1 hour a day. I spend about 15 minutes at most on this board a day, no other social media.
I have a good balance of value in our retirement accounts, but still with a healthy lean to blue chip tech/growth. Very, very limited spec grow.
My best ARKK move was to buy when it initially went below $110. Got my CB down to $124. Dumped a few weeks later when it popped to $128. Sadly, bought a smaller amount later on at $108, finally dumped it all for good at $104'ish. This was before the summer. Only lost a small amount overall. LOL!
TDOC is back to pre-COVID price, but now with additional revenue. Not sure if TDOC is a winner. Definitely ROKU and ZOOM are not.
Define "big". Also, define the timeline. Lots of folks dumped in Feb/Mar 2020 and lost a ton on the rapid recovery. Be careful!
Only have a small amount of AMZN, FB, and GOOG left, other techs are too scary since MSFT and AAPL are too close to their high and have a far distance to fall. I have to have balls to buy when my Techs fall a lot further AMZN back to 3,100 and so on.
I plan to come back at hopefully great prices , I’m too addicted. What would I do with the extra hour a day I use to trade.
They say the final hour of the trading day is the best time to trade. I agree with that but expand it out a little. I think the final 2 hours of the trading day and then also around 11-11:30am give or take a little.
I’m no expert on TDOC but there are few stocks I hate more. If you Google “telehealth services” or “telehealth software” or “telehealth platform” = TDOC doesn’t even come up in the top search results. Plus, the second my doctor scheduled a telehealth meeting with me via FaceTime I knew TDOC had no place in my portfolio.
11-11:30am seems to be when inflection points happen (if there happens to be one on a given day).