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T2Kplus20

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I’m no expert on TDOC but there are few stocks I hate more. If you Google “telehealth services” or “telehealth software” or “telehealth platform” = TDOC doesn’t even come up in the top search results. Plus, the second my doctor scheduled a telehealth meeting with me via FaceTime I knew TDOC had no place in my portfolio.
TDOC has a very good platform and it is way more functional than FaceTime. One good thing they are doing is partnering with payers, not trying to take away their business. I think they signed a deal with Aetna to become their official telemedicine platform. Microsoft vs Apple business model.
Still, no idea if they are a good business over the next 5-10 years.
 

Jtung230

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Only have a small amount of AMZN, FB, and GOOG left, other techs are too scary since MSFT and AAPL are too close to their high and have a far distance to fall. I have to have balls to buy when my Techs fall a lot further AMZN back to 3,100 and so on.

I plan to come back at hopefully great prices , I’m too addicted. What would I do with the extra hour a day I use to trade.
I’m somewhat in your camp but can’t stomach the tax liability if I sell. I’ll just have to buy more to DCA.
 
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RUAldo

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TDOC has a very good platform and it is way more functional than FaceTime. One good thing they are doing is partnering with payers, not trying to take away their business. I think they signed a deal with Aetna to become their official telemedicine platform. Microsoft vs Apple business model.
Still, no idea if they are a good business over the next 5-10 years.
Again, I don’t want to cost anyone money if they think TDOC is a winner, but my prediction is that it goes nowhere but down. All of the competitors like Kareo and Klara, not to mention the likes of BlueJeans Telehealth (owned by VZ) claim to be #1. At what I’m not sure b/c it’s Impossible to decipher which services actually do what. But, I digress…that’s all I got to say about that…
 

RU05

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Although Omicron less severe, fact that stocks like Clorox and CVS up nicely over past few days probably means it’s having an impact on Q1. Seems to be rampant in Northern NJ based on what I’ve seen.
Rampant here on the Bayshore as well.
 

RU05

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They say the final hour of the trading day is the best time to trade. I agree with that but expand it out a little. I think the final 2 hours of the trading day and then also around 11-11:30am give or take a little.
My observations have been stocks that are up huge in extended sell off a bit just after the market opens, and then recovers. And vice versa.
 
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T2Kplus20

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Sweating the tax liability has cost me more money over my investing lifetime by not selling than just paying Uncle Sam.
Probably true, but still sucks! Thankfully, the vast majority of our investments are via tax-deferred accounts. However, that is changing a bit.
 

Joey Bags

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A bit OT in this thread but thought it was hilarious that Kazakhstan mines about 18% of total global crypto and the country went to hell in a handbasket overnight lol. Will be interesting to see how crypto is affected, BTC down about 8% since the country cut all telecomms.

Someone better get Azamat Bagatov on the line, ASAP
 
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RUAldo

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A bit OT in this thread but thought it was hilarious that Kazakhstan mines about 18% of total global crypto and the country went to hell in a handbasket overnight lol. Will be interesting to see how crypto is affected, BTC down about 8% since the country cut all telecomms.

Someone better get Azamat Bagatov on the line, ASAP
SEXY TIME!
 

T2Kplus20

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A bit OT in this thread but thought it was hilarious that Kazakhstan mines about 18% of total global crypto and the country went to hell in a handbasket overnight lol. Will be interesting to see how crypto is affected, BTC down about 8% since the country cut all telecomms.

Someone better get Azamat Bagatov on the line, ASAP
No BTC mining, no BTC. Didn't hear the news until your post, so thanks for the heads up. I assumed BTC and crypto were crushing due to the Fed like the stock market!

FYI, assuming this miners don't come back only. Buy RIOT and MARA as soon as possible! :)
 

rurahrah000

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Again, I don’t want to cost anyone money if they think TDOC is a winner, but my prediction is that it goes nowhere but down. All of the competitors like Kareo and Klara, not to mention the likes of BlueJeans Telehealth (owned by VZ) claim to be #1. At what I’m not sure b/c it’s Impossible to decipher which services actually do what. But, I digress…that’s all I got to say about that…
Maybe wife tells me that a lot of insurances are no longer covering virtual visits at the same rate as in person visits. I am not sure how TDOC would be affected by that. My guess is that it will be negative.

Need to be careful with high flying growth stocks. I sense that there will be almost a 2000 dot com bubble scenario brewing (I could be wrong). This downturn may not be as bad as dot com bubble bursting but be very careful with looking at future valuations. Rising rates and the fed scaling back bond purchases could be a game changer for these companies. How could Rivian be worth $60-70 billion having sold only a few trucks, etc?

The next 6 months will be interesting. We may looking at a normalization of the market.
 
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T2Kplus20

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Jim Cramer - start buying soon.....CRM, FB, NVDA, and Palo Alto. No bear market coming, earnings are way too good:

 

rurahrah000

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Jim Cramer - start buying soon.....CRM, FB, NVDA, and Palo Alto. No bear market coming, earnings are way too good:


Earnings maybe good, but the growth companies that have very high market caps will continue to correct. I am out of PLTR, RBLX, SNOW, etc. I significantly trimmed a lot of my BNPL stocks a couple of months ago. I still own TSLA, SOFI and a few others. I will definitely get back into those stocks but I am not sure we are near the bottom of that correction.
 
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T2Kplus20

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Earnings maybe good, but the growth companies that have very high market caps will continue to correct. I am out of PLTR, RBLX, SNOW, etc. I significantly trimmed a lot of my BNPL stocks a couple of months ago. I still own TSLA, SOFI and a few others. I will definitely get back into those stocks but I am not sure we are near the bottom of that correction.
Yes, be careful with price to sales companies. Some will bottom out and be worth a small position. However, established tech is becoming irresistible. Look at FB.....8:1 price to sales, 20:1 price to earnings, annual growth 20%+. Buy, buy, buy. Too good to pass up.
 

rurahrah000

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Yes, be careful with price to sales companies. Some will bottom out and be worth a small position. However, established tech is becoming irresistible. Look at FB.....8:1 price to sales, 20:1 price to earnings, annual growth 20%+. Buy, buy, buy. Too good to pass up.
I am not talking about about the high growth companies with reasonable PE's (AAPL, FB, GOOG, MSFT, etc). I was mostly referring to high flying growth stocks that may not become profitable for several years. There are a lot of imposters in the high growth area just like the dot com bubble.
 
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T2Kplus20

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I am not talking about about the high growth companies with reasonable PE's (AAPL, FB, GOOG, MSFT, etc). I was mostly referring to high flying growth stocks that may not become profitable for several years. There are a lot of imposters in the high growth area just like the dot com bubble.
Agreed, be careful, but some good opportunities. During the dot com bubble, many "companies" were just concepts without any real products yet. At least most high fliers today have sales.
 

Jtung230

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looks like everyone did well in the market. Bentley sales are up. Also shows the chip issue doesn’t impact low volume producers.
 
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MLBash93

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My portfolio is made up of 4 ETFs.

One of them is absolutely killing me (ARKK) although it's only about 4% of what I have.

Should I sell it at a major loss or hold and hope it rebounds ?
 

RUAldo

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I bet institutions are selling due to the Fed. Crypto purists are not.
The crypto retail buyers are the weakest hands of all so they’ll sell the second they are scared. Same goes for the stock market. All the new entrants in the last 2 years have yet to be tested in a real correction. Those guys are going to be the first to crap their pants.
 
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T2Kplus20

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My portfolio is made up of 4 ETFs.

One of them is absolutely killing me (ARKK) although it's only about 4% of what I have.

Should I sell it at a major loss or hold and hope it rebounds ?
What goes up is bound to come down and what goes down is bound to go back up! The question for ARKK is whether there is a better choice for that 4% allocation right now. I think the answer is yes. The new choice depends on your other ETFs and market coverage.

Lots of folks are high on health care and biotech for 2022. I also believe established tech will do very well.
 

RUAldo

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My portfolio is made up of 4 ETFs.

One of them is absolutely killing me (ARKK) although it's only about 4% of what I have.

Should I sell it at a major loss or hold and hope it rebounds ?
As far as I’m concerned a fund like ARKK is one of the easiest to evaluate. Just look at the top holdings. If those companies aren’t positioned for success in the new rate environment there could be more downside ahead, at least in 6-12 months. Also, must consider that earnings are starting to matter now and spec tech may take years to recover.
 

MLBash93

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What goes up is bound to come down and what goes down is bound to go back up! The question for ARKK is whether there is a better choice for that 4% allocation right now. I think the answer is yes. The new choice depends on your other ETFs and market coverage.

Lots of folks are high on health care and biotech for 2022. I also believe established tech will do very well.
My other holdings are VTI (65%) VXUS (20%) and IGM (10%)
 

RUAldo

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My other holdings are VTI (65%) VXUS (20%) and IGM (10%)
Without commenting on allocations, nothing wrong with VTI and IGM. I’m not an international fund guy because my research always brought me back to the same conclusion and belief = when times are good, US outperforms; when times are bad, US outperforms.
 

RUAldo

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My other holdings are VTI (65%) VXUS (20%) and IGM (10%)
Caveat: I’m not suggesting VXUS isn’t a good way to diversify your portfolio away from US exposure. I’m just saying I’d rather bet on the US.
 

MLBash93

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IGM is a great ETF. I would just bump that up to 15% and call it a day. Otherwise, play the value game and check out VTV for your final 5%.
Caveat: I’m not suggesting VXUS isn’t a good way to diversify your portfolio away from US exposure. I’m just saying I’d rather bet on the US.
So to confirm, you both think just cut losses with ARKK at this time?
 

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So to confirm, you both think just cut losses with ARKK at this time?
You should have cut your losses before the new year if it was in a taxable account and then get back in when prices are low enough and you have a comfort level to rebuy. NVM if its in a tax deferred account.
 

T2Kplus20

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So to confirm, you both think just cut losses with ARKK at this time?
Yes, I think you should get out of ARKK. I did so last summer. I believe spec tech will continue to have a rough next 6 months or so. I also believe IGM will rebound quicker and outperform ARKK.
 

RUAldo

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So to confirm, you both think just cut losses with ARKK at this time?
I’d be interested in hearing some other perspectives from folks on ARKK at current levels because I don’t see it returning to ATHs at any point in near future. Too many spec tech and COVID WFH plays for my taste.
 
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I added some to my FB, GOOG, started CRM and NVDA. If they continue to fall, I add more.
Awhile back I mentioned CRM around 240 might be an okay area. I've been tempted but still haven't gone in even with the drop below 240. Ideally 190s-low 200s is a good area of support and don't think I'd chicken out there. Don't know if it'll get there though.

PYPL has been one I've been trading a couple times in the 180s. I liked that better at 170 but it never got there. Looked like it had trend line support at 180 area and it's been somewhat range bound lately between the low-mid 180s and low-mid 190s.

SOFI isn't my kind of stock (although been curious because of the love for it here) and that's taking it on the chin today. Broken 14 and down to low 13s again.