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RUinPinehurst

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Good point! Barely any exposure to international. Crap returns compared to the US for well over a decade, perhaps more.

Ready to buy HUGE today if this artificial dip continues!
Have to ask: how are the global markets reaction to Russia's invasion of Ukraine "artificial"? Please elaborate.
 

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This Ukraine mess reminds me why I moved out of international investments…I’m 98% domestic. The international markets will get hit much worse than U.S.
I have a very small amount invested in an international fund. I will have to see what it has been doing recently
 
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Plenty of the experts didn’t believe it either. And if the WH did believe it then why did they wait so long on the sanctions? That’s the joke of Biden’s strategy. If he had intel that the invasion was coming, and he believed the invasion was coming, why didn’t he immediately start sanctioning Russia?
I never thought the sanctions were going to be in place proactively. They were always discussed as reaction to an invasion
 
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Have to ask: how are the global markets reaction to Russia's invasion of Ukraine "artificial"? Please elaborate.
Because 499 of the S&P 500 companies don't have meaningful exposure to UK or RU. The exception? Phillip Morris. LOL! The US markets will move on very quickly as the uncertainty goes away (just like it always does with such conflicts).
 
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This thread has attracted the "usual suspect" CE posters. Too bad. The posts have become political and nonsensical. Any and all discussion of Ukraine should be limited to and focused on markets impact.
And does not the decisions being made by the Biden administration impact the markets?
BTW Dow down 800 pts pre market.
 

Jtung230

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Plenty of the experts didn’t believe it either. And if the WH did believe it then why did they wait so long on the sanctions? That’s the joke of Biden’s strategy. If he had intel that the invasion was coming, and he believed the invasion was coming, why didn’t he immediately start sanctioning Russia?
What? Preemptive sanctions? So, every idiot can say Biden started the war?
 
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What? Preemptive sanctions? So, every idiot can say Biden started the war?
Given Putin’s reputation and the fact that thousands of Russian troops and weapons were already amassed at the border, I don’t think anyone would blame Biden for starting a war, not to mention most of the World is condemning Russia’s actions. They could have taken preemptive measures or at least make a clear statement as to the exact sanctions that would be imposed.
 

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Given Putin’s reputation and the fact that thousands of Russian troops and weapons were already amassed at the border, I don’t think anyone would blame Biden for starting a war, not to mention most of the World is condemning Russia’s actions. They could have taken preemptive measures or at least make a clear statement as to the exact sanctions that would be imposed.
There were literally people in this thread that said Biden wants the war to “distract”the public. When was the last time US sanction another country before they acted?
 
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Given Putin’s reputation and the fact that thousands of Russian troops and weapons were already amassed at the border, I don’t think anyone would blame Biden for starting a war, not to mention most of the World is condemning Russia’s actions. They could have taken preemptive measures or at least make a clear statement as to the exact sanctions that would be imposed.
There is nothing that would have stopped Putin. You just want to criticize Biden, you almost sound like your anti American and Pro Russia. NATO couldn’t stop Putin, Putin knows no one is willing to use military force to help Ukraine.
 
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I'm willing to nibble on the high quality names that have already put out good earnings and average down on other companies as well. I have some orders at prices taking into account a decent drop on top of the drop many of the stocks have had already. I'll see if they get executed.

I don't know where the bottom is and it is volatile. I'll do the same I've done before.....stick to high quality (which I usually do anyway), widen buy points, don't go crazy all in at once and whether it's a V or U over the longer term that usually works.
 

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Because 499 of the S&P 500 companies don't have meaningful exposure to UK or RU. The exception? Phillip Morris. LOL! The US markets will move on very quickly as the uncertainty goes away (just like it always does with such conflicts).
All markets are connected. There is nothing "artificial" about the reasons behind a global sell off. As for your S&P 500 statement, these companies get about 40% of their revenue from outside of the USA. They also rely on a global supply chain for materials and services. All is interconnected. Lastly, we have "certainty" on the invasion, that it is happening. What is uncertain is the extent of the invasion and the impact on the region and beyond. With that, now may not be the prudent time to deploy your idle investment $$$.
 
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There is nothing that would have stopped Putin. You just want to criticize Biden, you almost sound like your anti American and Pro Russia. NATO couldn’t stop Putin, Putin knows no one is willing to use military force to help Ukraine.
Wrong! Trump stopped Putin for four years. One year into Biden’s term and he already has us in a war. Let’s go Brandon!
BTW I would get the hell out of the markets as Biden has been crashing the economy way BEFORE the whole Ukraine thing.
 

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There is nothing that would have stopped Putin. You just want to criticize Biden, you almost sound like your anti American and Pro Russia. NATO couldn’t stop Putin, Putin knows no one is willing to use military force to help Ukraine.
Spoken like a true Biden supporter. I could care less about politics. Trump…Biden…U.S. politics are a circus. But, with that said, Biden is the CEO of the largest company in the world. In that regard, as an investor in that company, you are happy with Biden’s performance as CEO? GMAFB…
 
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RUAldo

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I'm willing to nibble on the high quality names that have already put out good earnings and average down on other companies as well. I have some orders at prices taking into account a decent drop on top of the drop many of the stocks have had already. I'll see if they get executed.

I don't know where the bottom is and it is volatile. I'll do the same I've done before.....stick to high quality (which I usually do anyway), widen buy points, don't go crazy all in at once and whether it's a V or U over the longer term that usually works.
Key word is “nibble” - I’m doing the same. The market has dropped so much that it will take time to build back the momentum. It’s not a COVID sell off.
 
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Looks like the last shoe has dropped on the ARKK fund; TSLA down 8% this morning and 43% off it’s high just a few months ago. ARKK down another 6% at $57…..about 63% off it’s high.
 

T2Kplus20

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All markets are connected. There is nothing "artificial" about the reasons behind a global sell off. As for your S&P 500 statement, these companies get about 40% of their revenue from outside of the USA. They also rely on a global supply chain for materials and services. All is interconnected. Lastly, we have "certainty" on the invasion, that it is happening. What is uncertain is the extent of the invasion and the impact on the region and beyond. With that, now may not be the prudent time to deploy your idle investment $$$.
When AAPL or NVDA or MSFT revise next quarter guidance, I will buy into this. Actually, the NVDA CEO already said such events will have no impact on business whatsoever.

Headline from Cramer and the CNBC Investing Club:
We're going to be buyers in Thursday's Russia-driven stock market declines

Also, I posted this before. From Fidelity:

While tensions between Russia and Ukraine have been rising for years, the current Russian military buildup near the 2 countries' borders could possibly lead to military action. It also is creating concerns about the potential impact of the conflict on financial markets and the global economy. Fortunately, however, history shows that while geopolitical crises such as the one unfolding between Russia and Ukraine can temporarily roil markets, they don't typically have long-term consequences for investors.

As Dirk Hofschire of Fidelity's Asset Allocation Research Team says, "In general, these types of crises tend to only have a significant and lasting impact on global financial markets if they have a sustained macroeconomic impact on major economies." While Russia's economy ranks as the world's 11th largest, according to the International Monetary Fund, at only 1/20th the size of the US and 1/15th the size of China, it is likely not big enough by itself to affect global markets or economic growth, even if it were to suffer significant economic damage as a result of sanctions or other measures taken against it by the US and Europe.
 
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Key word is “nibble” - I’m doing the same. The market has dropped so much that it will take time to build back the momentum. It’s not a COVID sell off.
If it took years I’m fine with it. I’m not in any rush. Nibble plus always have cash ready. I always do even when the market was roaring. Return is zero or negative with inflation but it gives me a comfort level to have it and that’s its job. Like I say you have to know your own psychology.
 

T2Kplus20

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Key word is “nibble” - I’m doing the same. The market has dropped so much that it will take time to build back the momentum. It’s not a COVID sell off.
Careful. Corrections of corrections normally happen in a blink of an eye. What if inflation ticks down in 2 weeks? Even a tiny bit? KABOOM. That's what.
 

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I mentioned this on the BTC thread = I get the feeling that Putin’s response to sanctions could be a cyber-war on digital currencies. Think about Russia’s and China’s recent positions on digital currencies - could be all part of Putin’s grand invasion plan? Russia is adept at cyber attacks and it wouldn’t take much to scare the crap out of the digital currency market.
 
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If it took years I’m fine with it. I’m not in any rush. Nibble plus always have cash ready. I always do even when the market was roaring. Return is zero or negative with inflation but it gives me a comfort level to have it and that’s its job. Like I say you have to know your own psychology.
S&P down 14% brought small amount of SPY. I’ll buy at 17% down and 20%.
 
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if your hold period is 10 years, buy the stocks you like. If you are trading, stay patient.
I’d agree with that but for trading I’d say use stops to limit the downside. That I think is a good thing about having some knowledge about charting and technicals. It gives a sort of guide of where support could be and where to put a stop as well if it breaks.
 
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I mentioned this on the BTC thread = I get the feeling that Putin’s response to sanctions could be a cyber-war on digital currencies. Think about Russia’s and China’s recent positions on digital currencies - could be all part of Putin’s grand invasion plan? Russia is adept at cyber attacks and it wouldn’t take much to scare the crap out of the digital currency market.
I could envision something like that.
 

RUinPinehurst

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When AAPL or NVDA or MSFT revise next quarter guidance, I will buy into this. Actually, the NVDA CEO already said such events will have no impact on business whatsoever.

Headline from Cramer and the CNBC Investing Club:
We're going to be buyers in Thursday's Russia-driven stock market declines

Also, I posted this before. From Fidelity:

While tensions between Russia and Ukraine have been rising for years, the current Russian military buildup near the 2 countries' borders could possibly lead to military action. It also is creating concerns about the potential impact of the conflict on financial markets and the global economy. Fortunately, however, history shows that while geopolitical crises such as the one unfolding between Russia and Ukraine can temporarily roil markets, they don't typically have long-term consequences for investors.

As Dirk Hofschire of Fidelity's Asset Allocation Research Team says, "In general, these types of crises tend to only have a significant and lasting impact on global financial markets if they have a sustained macroeconomic impact on major economies." While Russia's economy ranks as the world's 11th largest, according to the International Monetary Fund, at only 1/20th the size of the US and 1/15th the size of China, it is likely not big enough by itself to affect global markets or economic growth, even if it were to suffer significant economic damage as a result of sanctions or other measures taken against it by the US and Europe.
Cramer is a cartoon, financial entertainment. Fidelity has major skin in the game and needs to promote stability and minimize threats. Focus on primary research to assess things for yourself. Independent critical thinking. Secondary sources are problematic. Notice all the "weasel words" in the Fidelity statement.
 
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You guys don’t get it. Independent of the Ukraine situation the Biden Administration already had us on track to crash the economy. The bear market we are heading into will be epic and the financial destruction to peoples portfolios will be extensive. Sad what one man can do to an economy and country. Those who voted for Biden brought this upon your fellow Americans…hope you are happy. #neverwouldhavehappenedundwrtrump
 

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knife catching time. if you have a long term view probably worth some strategic buying but the depth of the general price decline still needs to be determined. this just exacerbates some significant headwinds facing businesses and consumers already. things are likely to get worse before they get better just not sure about the duration of the additional stress.

absent a swift change by the west that results in a significant supply of offensive weapons, I don't see this conflict lasting long. Russia will gain control relatively quickly and then deal with pockets of resistance over the longer term.
 

RUinPinehurst

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Cyber warfare targeting digital currencies would lead to a major crisis…I have to believe it’s in Putin’s playbook.
"Digital currencies" seems to be an oxymoron, no? Not backed by any sovereign nation. Just floating out there on the ether, as a commercial endeavor, carrying a speculative value. "It's only when the tide goes out that you see who's been swimming naked."--WB.
 
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