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BIGRUBIGDBIGredmachine

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If this is solely about China then we’ve stabilized our position to more broadly hold firm on China…but then what did we accomplish today except undo some unnecessary damage from the last week that destabilized our position in the first place? And indicate to other trade partners that in 90 days we may or may not be able to stomach throwing down the gauntlet again because the knock on effects proved too much this time around.

I don’t think anything particularly bad or good happened. We played brinksmanship, had a lot of volatility, then we backed off to avert a crisis, and it’s unclear there’s any benefit from the approach.


 

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You would be bigger.....if you bought those TQQQ calls. :)
Or SOXL calls. I had a small stake in SOXL that is up ~80%. Probably take my profit by Friday. With Trump running things the way he has been running, it will be hard to not stay mostly invested. I will have to stay nimble enough to take profit and losses more often than I like.
 

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Great post. It was market theater with DJT in the leading role. We likely would've been in the same place without the market angst and without pissing off every other country in the world (and many here), if the original proposal was, hey, we we're going to raise tariffs to 10% and want to negotiate trade and market barriers with everyone relative to that target (which is still way higher than our average 3.3% but closer to tariff levels of some other countries, so I get the desire to level that playing field to some extent). Also, I can live with trade deficits if we can also have record high markets, record low unemployment and reasonable inflation, which is where we were on 1/20/25.
Canada bac in the fold.

Canada spectacularly bends knee to U.S. as Trump scores major victory​

Canada Prime Minister Mark Carney has backed down on his end of the trade war and agreed to negotiate 'immediately' on a new agreement in a victory for Donald Trump.

 

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Or SOXL calls. I had a small stake in SOXL that is up ~80%. Probably take my profit by Friday. With Trump running things the way he has been running, it will be hard to not stay mostly invested. I will have to stay nimble enough to take profit and losses more often than I like.
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Great move with SOXL calls. I've been trading GLD futures on Coinbase for the past 2 months. First time ever really trading and GLD has cooperated very nicely. Plenty of ups and downs. Taking profit and being safe. Up $32k as of now, which is a large amount relative to my modest Coinbase account. I did recently learn that futures are taxed at the 60/40 principle, which was a nice surprise.
 

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IF we have 75 countries willing to drop/reduce tariffs and barriers to trade, and have countries and companies agreeing to move industry and investment into the US...then how can that be "No benefit?"

Did it have to happen this way? I don't think so but I also know NOTHING has been done for what 40 years + and you expect a slow roll here would get it done? I wouldn't trust that either.

The position that the "US Blinked" I don't buy. Do you think Israel was losing the fight in Gaza when they chose to cease fire? You think we retreated and gave up the high ground? Not me. It was the right thing to do. You can win and not be stupid in the process. (and yeah I am on record here as saying I thought some of this was stupid).

We don’t have any deals finalized yet. My point here isn’t that we shouldn’t use tariffs or we shouldn’t try to renegotiate trade agreements…I’m not opining on that.

A hardline regime of tariffs was announced a few days ago, it caused a lot of equity volatility, then rates started to go higher, then we scaled back the tariffs before any deals were struck.

If you’re saying it was just a generous act of good faith, that could be so. My suspicion leans more towards the wide net of high tariffs being unsustainable policy that risked breaking something soon if not paused.

Or maybe you think it was both: we’re being nice and we’re avoiding economic risk. Well what kind of leverage do you have with a counterparty when the alternative to a deal is a policy you yourself can’t stomach?

We’ll get some deals, they’ll be announced as the greatest deals ever, and I guess we’ll see over time if this all amounts to something better for America.
 

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Given our back and forth last night, here's an interesting analysis of what's been going on in the bond market, between hedge fund basis exposures leading to Treasury sales and foreign holders of Treasuries selling them off, such that bond yields went up while stocks went down, which almost never happens - and this, unfortunately brings into question whether US treasuries are still the safe haven they've always been. This is what spooked everyone.

https://www.morningstar.com/markets...ff-trade-war-calls-haven-status-into-question

And interesting blow-by-blow account of how this all unfolded since last night, confirming that the bond market weakness was likely what truly led to Trump blinking, after being pushed hard by R senators, CEOs (especially Dimon from JP Morgan), and Bessent/Lutnick (and Musk even though he wasn't visible - he made his feelings clear last night by calling Navarro a moron) who were there as Trump drafted the message pausing the reciprocal tariffs - with Navarro nowhere to be found. Better late than never, I guess.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2025/04/09/trump-tariffs-pause-decision/
 

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And I believe imports/exports need to be viewed per capita or GDP per capita. Canada is 1/8 our size. Why would we ever expect them to buy the same amount of goods from us as we from them? Yes, have fair and equal trading rules, but being so fixated on the deficit is illogical.
Wow, we violently agree.
 

RU848789

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This is one area where I fully support us cutting China out of the supply chain entirely. Our entire drug industry is completely reliant on China, whether the drug itself is produced there or we source a production input from there.

You don’t bet the health of a nation on your primary geopolitical enemy, you just don’t. Better to have temporarily high drug prices until the supply chain reallocates than no drugs at when China makes a move on Taiwan.
You have no idea how galling it was for me to have to host and educate the chemical process tech leadership from WuXi (Chinese outsourcer) back in the early 2000s, when I ran our small/medium scale pilot plant where we used to do multi-step chemical syntheses of active ingredients for all of our R&D pipeline candidates that were in late stage development (when many kilos were needed for drug product development and clinical trials). I knew we were positioning them as a cheaper outsourcing partner to eventually replace much of what we were doing and within about 7-8 years, 75% of the chemical synthesis steps had been outsourced to them and our headcount went down a bit (not too much, though, since we still did some synthesis work and ended up spending a lot of time overseeing and correcting WuXi's work and that of other outsourcers).

By the late 2010s a number of GMP/quality scandals hit some of our suppliers in China and India and all of a sudden senior management said we had to have dual-sourced supply chains with one source allowed in Asia, but one had to be in the US or EU to reduce risk, which was less efficient, but at least less risky and brought some work back to the US. We're still in that situation according to friends I used to work with. Pharma active ingredient/drug product development and production is also an area I'd be happy to see out of low cost areas like China/India. And typically, the cost of production of any pharmaceutical is dwarfed by the cost of running the clinical trials prior to approval and manufacturing costs after that are usually dwarfed by advertising/sales costs.
 

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You would be bigger.....if you bought those TQQQ calls. :)
I was eyeing them, would have caught a double on the Jan $65 strikes, and maybe I would have bought them this morning if I wasn't fighting tooth and nail with Turbotax while doing my taxes. And interestingly my 1099-B from Morgan Stanley was at the heart of the problem. SVIX from the Japanese selloff last August.
 
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Yes I think I've heard of them. Your wife is a rare gem. I can't count on one hand the number of customers per year that even offer a water..sign me up for lunch
Down to Earth is not who we use. They are a huge company about 2 miles from me. They have a huge property. Their site looks amazing. The owner grew up in my hometown and was friends with my brother. Very nice guy.


The least you can do is offer someone working in heat something to drink. If my wife is not home when they come I know I better get my *** outside to get them something or she will let me know about it later.

Now with the ring she sees if I do it or not.
 

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Usually my landscaper bills me each month based on the work done. March, November and December are usually more expensive for spring and fall cleanup/leaves.

This year he gave me a total price for the full season upfront. Spring clean up, weekly cuts from April to November and fall clean up in early December. He divided the total cost by 10 months and is charging me the same price each month for 10 months.
Mulch is always the killer. I paid over 5,000 for mulch last year.
 

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I was eyeing them, would have caught a double on the Jan $65 strikes, and maybe I would have bought them this morning if I wasn't fighting tooth and nail with Turbotax while doing my taxes. And interestingly my 1099-B from Morgan Stanley was at the heart of the problem. SVIX from the Japanese selloff last August.
That’s too bad regarding TurboTax. Some specific with SVIX?

We’ve used the deluxe version for years and it’s been great for E-Trade and Fidelity. Even though we don’t do much selling with the former. It’s awesome with Fidelity and even identifies my RSUs and exercised options and automatically zeros them out since they also hit as income.
 

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The CPI number out in a few minutes may move the markets
Super positive! Cut, cut, cut! :)

CPI comes in cooler than expected in March, before tariff turmoil heats up

Consumer Price Index: -0.1% M/M vs. +0.1% consensus and +0.2% prior, according to data released by the U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics on Thursday.

+2.4% Y/Y vs. +2.6% consensus and +2.8% prior.

Core CPI: +0.1% M/M vs. +0.3% consensus and +0.2% prior.

+2.8% Y/Y vs. +3.0% consensus and +3.1% prior.
 

RU05

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That’s too bad regarding TurboTax. Some specific with SVIX?

We’ve used the deluxe version for years and it’s been great for E-Trade and Fidelity. Even though we don’t do much selling with the former. It’s awesome with Fidelity and even identifies my RSUs and exercised options and automatically zeros them out since they also hit as income.
It was categorized oddly, neither short term nor long term, and for whatever reason didn't include a cost basis, nor date purchased.

There was also a portion of my transactions which didn't import correctly and the first group of people I spoke to didn't know how to rectify it.

Took me all day, I was quite frustrated.
 
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Super positive! Cut, cut, cut! :)

CPI comes in cooler than expected in March, before tariff turmoil heats up

Consumer Price Index: -0.1% M/M vs. +0.1% consensus and +0.2% prior, according to data released by the U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics on Thursday.

+2.4% Y/Y vs. +2.6% consensus and +2.8% prior.

Core CPI: +0.1% M/M vs. +0.3% consensus and +0.2% prior.

+2.8% Y/Y vs. +3.0% consensus and +3.1% prior.
It was a great number!
 

T2Kplus20

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It was categorized oddly, neither short term nor long term, and for whatever reason didn't include a cost basis, nor date purchased.

There was also a portion of my transactions which didn't import correctly and the first group of people I spoke to didn't know how to rectify it.

Took me all day, I was quite frustrated.
Yeah, I guess you needed to manually put in the cost basis. Pain in the butt. We owned the Feds $28K this year. LOL! Got a ton of equity and Fidelity only withholds at 22%. I knew about the deficit, but F the gov'ment. Left the money in Fidelity for an entire year earning 4-5%.
 

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Canada bac in the fold.

Canada spectacularly bends knee to U.S. as Trump scores major victory​

Canada Prime Minister Mark Carney has backed down on his end of the trade war and agreed to negotiate 'immediately' on a new agreement in a victory for Donald Trump.

lol, congrats on finding the most biased source you could on this - it's almost as if you wrote the incredibly inaccurate headline, which completely mischaracterizes the story within. Here's Carney's complete post on X, where it doesn't look at all like Carney is bending anything. Nice try though.

 

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We don’t have any deals finalized yet. My point here isn’t that we shouldn’t use tariffs or we shouldn’t try to renegotiate trade agreements…I’m not opining on that.

A hardline regime of tariffs was announced a few days ago, it caused a lot of equity volatility, then rates started to go higher, then we scaled back the tariffs before any deals were struck.

If you’re saying it was just a generous act of good faith, that could be so. My suspicion leans more towards the wide net of high tariffs being unsustainable policy that risked breaking something soon if not paused.

Or maybe you think it was both: we’re being nice and we’re avoiding economic risk. Well what kind of leverage do you have with a counterparty when the alternative to a deal is a policy you yourself can’t stomach?

We’ll get some deals, they’ll be announced as the greatest deals ever, and I guess we’ll see over time if this all amounts to something better for America.
fair enough.
 

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Yeah, I guess you needed to manually put in the cost basis. Pain in the butt. We owned the Feds $28K this year. LOL! Got a ton of equity and Fidelity only withholds at 22%. I knew about the deficit, but F the gov'ment. Left the money in Fidelity for an entire year earning 4-5%.
You should have filed an extension. Keep that money earning. 🙃
 
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Are we in a situation where foreign countries lower their purchases of Treasuries.

If that happen any significant level what happens to interest rates?
 

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Last year I got charged $125 per yard. Hopefully its the same price this year.
assuming that is both for the mulch and for spreading/edging? Ours used to be $100 for that but of course prices have gone up so that's right there I would guess. (we're getting ours for the $100 again but that is because they owe us for a screw up from last year).
 
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Are we in a situation where foreign countries lower their purchases of Treasuries.

If that happen any significant level what happens to interest rates?
Or start selling the treasuries they already own. Either scenarios is a huge hit to rates and our economy.
 

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Are we in a situation where foreign countries lower their purchases of Treasuries.

If that happen any significant level what happens to interest rates?
Would make sense to use that as a negotiating tactic.

But rates would go up.

Edit: have we concluded that this is not what happened in the overnight into yesterday?
 

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Yeah, I guess you needed to manually put in the cost basis. Pain in the butt. We owned the Feds $28K this year. LOL! Got a ton of equity and Fidelity only withholds at 22%. I knew about the deficit, but F the gov'ment. Left the money in Fidelity for an entire year earning 4-5%.
good move. NJ will hit you with a withholding penalty though as I am sure you know.
 
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Super positive! Cut, cut, cut! :)

CPI comes in cooler than expected in March, before tariff turmoil heats up

Consumer Price Index: -0.1% M/M vs. +0.1% consensus and +0.2% prior, according to data released by the U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics on Thursday.

+2.4% Y/Y vs. +2.6% consensus and +2.8% prior.

Core CPI: +0.1% M/M vs. +0.3% consensus and +0.2% prior.

+2.8% Y/Y vs. +3.0% consensus and +3.1% prior.
Positive report, showing again that the economy was in pretty good shape before the tariff wars started. Market futures down 1-2+%, but volatile as usual now and they haven't budged after the CPI report, since that report is now meaningless in the face of the inflationary future we face with 10%+ tariffs worldwide in place. But who knows what new news could come out today to roil the markets in one direction or another.

https://www.marketwatch.com/