I have no idea what the future holds for BTC and obviously never been a BTC supporter based on my posts, but there were debates here (and on the crypto thread) about how useless Gold/Silver were beyond jewelry and that BTC was going to $250K…$1M…but now we see Central Banks hoarding metals and they are deemed critical to the AI/chips/electrical buildout. BTC could disappear tomorrow and nobody would care other than those that lose billions plus the hit to the stock market based on havoc it would create. Before the BTC Bros rip me apart keep in mind I am a big fan of blockchain and I’m bullish on companies like FIGR that are tokenizing RWAs. But you don’t need BTC or any meme coins for blockchain tech to integrate into everyday society.
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To be fair, I view BTC and gold in the same category (with limited uses other than store of value). Silver has massive industrial uses and the need is growing.
The good news about Bitcoin is that it gets easier for hackers to bigly hack that “store of value” every day!
At least my “out there” gold hoarding MAGA eye doc is safe from North Koreans.
I’d just point out that views at times like these (gold way up, bitcoin down) are easy to make. They’re similar to the views when ftx crashed and people held funerals for crypto. A few years later bitcoin was up 6x and alts 20-50x.
I’m much less concerned with bitcoin being down than I am with gold being up. I don’t think it’s up for a good reason and that will have far greater implications.
Tom Lee said Bitcoin would be at $180k by tomorrow. That should earn him a 3-6 month ban from this thread
All the BRICS nations hoarding gold to try and remove dependency on the dollar...once the primary metal booms the rest follow suit--no diff than BTC and Alts
BTC folks can correct me if I’m wrong but no countries other than El Salvador and perhaps a few other flies on the pile of crap nations have proactively bought BTC. US, UK and China hold a bunch from seizures. Germany liquidated what they had. Russia and India have stockpiled gold. Even Tesla ended their publicity stunt a few years back selling almost all their holdings and companies like MSFT didn’t bite on the ridiculous BTC balance sheet proposals. Not to mention, as much as we may hate China they aren’t dummies- yet crypto/BTC are effectively illegal in the country. With all this said, wouldn’t shock me if BTC hits $100K again because there are enough important/influential people that own it including politicians that won’t let it die.
Definitely buy the gold dip.....and probably silver as well. I wasn't in silver directly (just SILJ) so today was a nice opportunity to start a small position.
If you look at all the crypto data, most retail investors didn't come back this cycle. That's why BTC's $125k high was below expectations. Will they come back? Not sure. What would make them come back? Not sure.
Crypto conspiracy theorists/hype men say US will rug pull them by selling all of our gold and buying Bitcoin. I love the enthusiasm
Takes up too much room at West Point, Denver and Fort Knox?
Good gosh…irrational exuberance is fun to watch! Bitcoin could drop to 50K and still have a “market cap” of 1 trilly!
This market is bonkers thanks to algos and traders that have to liquidate positions because they are over their skis. I can’t ever remember owning so many stocks with such dramatic swings and it’s not like I’m holding a bunch of junk or spec stocks. I’m seeing red all over my portfolio.
my guess is silver correction lasts at least few weeks before another push up
Last week when Silver hit $96, I went to a coin shop and sold a 10 oz bar for $880. Two days ago when the price hit $120, I went back with another 10 oz bar, thinking I was going to get at least $1100 for it. Well the guy only offers me $900. I asked how can you give me $88 when it's $96 but $90 when it's $120. He said that his buyers weren't chasing the price and he wouldn't be able to provide the same margin. Well, his buyers sure were shrewd to take that approach.
Very possible. I caught SLV close to the low ($70.5'ish). I set a stop loss at $70 in case the trend holds for longer. If that happens, I will regroup and see how the market reacts.
The gold move is predominantly due to the weakening/devaluing of the dollar. We are printing money like there's no tomorrow. The admin wants the dollar devalued so as to cheapen our products overseas and lessen the trade deficit. Unfortunately the trade deficit has continued to enlarge despite the tariffs.
"Demand destruction" is not market driven. It is driven by the BIG banks, their toy boys in the Comex/LBMA and Western governments." - Vince Lansi
Balanced silver observers expected a sizable drop ("elevator down" lol) at some point and would welcome it. They are psyched to buy. Gold went up a lot several years ago and then dropped 40% - setting for launch of higher gains. The same was anticipated for silver and a few things converged at once. This is not considered a normal slam.
One reason for drop was new Fed chair and ripples/waves were seen in different markets simultaneously so silver wasn't unique in that regard. People also expected a rise and correction after $100 threshold crossed ("landmarking" as psychologists call it). There were also some metal investors waiting for signs to take profits. Margin rates were increasing and there was pressure to get out. Refiners were backed-up for weeks and dealers were at loss to buy the less than 999 stuff that was coming in.
Its expected that nations using a lot of industrial silver (India could not find the silver it needed in past weeks)) will be sucking silver up soon since they were buying raw silver and concentrates from mines). China loves the drop. Then there are the standard Comex shens that set people off. The turbulence in recent markets have been stick-spoking functions. "Demand destruction happens when markets stop working" - Vince Lansi (teaches at UConn).
Also Vince Lansi short clip on Gold "A buyer with an agenda"
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I don't see how gold doesn't continue to grind higher of the next 3 years (i.e., Trump's term). Weakening the dollar and pushing other nations to hedge with other assets.
It will have an effect domestically. Our national debt will rise faster and inflation will be back no matter what the new Fed Chairman does.
When BTC was pushed as currency replacement or transactional asset, I never believed it would gain traction because of the USD and China’s stance - but anything was possible. Then it was pushed as a technology thanks to blockchain even though blockchain is reaching consumer/commercial applications without BTC. Last ditch effort it’s a “store of value” - yet has no value other than what people believe. BTC is the new Art from an investment perspective = just another asset stirring up human interest based on perceived value, scarcity and investment demand (see NFTs). As long as people believe BTC is worth something it will exist - no diff than people believing that a Jackson Pollock is a million dollar masterpiece even though it looks like a kid’s paint splatter.