Interesting story because it looks like this incident at least contributed to Duce Chestnut's transfer, but sad for Allen because either it's well-slanted to make him sympathetic, or he genuinely owned up to what sounds like a matter of self-defense. Also sad because the kid's father was fatally shot recently and he could probably use the outlet of playing football right now.
OT: Syracuse Suspends NJ's LeQuint Allen for the Season
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It appears the newer people don't understand the history with SU. They think it's just another school.
I am far from one of the newer people and I do not know what you mean. Saw a relevant post about their suspending one of their better players and actually think this should make kids reconsider going there due to a very harsh disciplinary decision.
The other reason not to go there is because it’s Syracuse
Most Rutgers fans have a deep dislike for the Orange. Once we moved to another conference, a point was made to never speak of trash. Their fans go out of their way to attack Rutgers every chance they get. When you post something about SU, it seems to attract a few of their idiots, and all hell may break loose. Don't poke the ugly dog. It's not worth it.
So many posters are obsessed with Cuse for some reason. Once we went to the BIG we left them behind. Let’s leave it this way. No need for a Cuse post every day .
If we do that, like I do, then what Doug said is true…”just another school” no one cares about.
I’m cool with that….sara who?
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I originally posted on RT. I go almost 30 years as an RU football fan, have no love for the Orange, and believe that we have left them in the dust from a conference chess standpoint. However, whether we hate them or not, they do compete for NJ talent and, as I said, I think this could have a negative impact on them in NJ. Particularly in South Jersey.
I don't see a problem posting this story. Some interesting aspects to the story covered by Sports Illustrated.
Sounds like not a lot of evidence to suspend Allen for the season, and the typical two sided story where there is no clear indication of what happened. To add to it, Allen's father was murdered the following Valentine's Day. Give the kid a break and let him play, IMO. He offered reasonable alternatives to a full suspension, which is unduly harsh and will likely result in his being unable to attend Syracuse. Even the Onondaga County District Attorney thinks the suspension will be successfully challenged.
All the more reason to not send your kid to Syracuse.
Alijah Clark, former RU player, has chimed in with support for Allen.
Forgot about Duce Chestnut. He transferred to LSU. But goodness, Duce, what the heck are you saying? How the hell is Syracuse your second home when you left for LSU? Huh?
“I just wanted to state I believe in my whole heart that LeQuint is being done unfair and an unfair trial,” Chestnut told the Courier-Post. “I always considered Syracuse my second home and always will be my second home, I’ll always have love for Syracuse.”
This is the correct answer. Tundra.
IDK, I have no strong feelings for or against Cuse the team. Babers seems like a decent guy who has a tough task to bring Cuse back to the days of glory. Yeah, their fanbase has a fixation and hatred with Rutgers and Schiano, but I kind of feel sorry for those that root for the Orange. Pity is the correct word. But, as discussed above, this is an interesting story.
One wonders given their recent history of poor performance and what @newell138 said, why do 4 star and high 3 star players from NJ go there?
Frankly, Temple is a better choice, or any other AAC school. At least with Temple, you are in Philadelphia, which is a far better destination than playing in Tundra?
I mostly agree with you, except for "compete for NJ talent." It's more like they get the leftover NJ talent that others don't take.
Mostly agree re: NJ talent, but there are guys on that team that we would be happy (or would have been happy) to have here. I would love to see Allen leave to come to RU, Jayden Bellamy, and the WR commit Taron Haile off the top of my head.
Allen seems to be a player. Had a solid season for a first year. I think the comments you are getting here on discussing Syracuse per se are not far off. For some, mentioning the Orange teams raises hackles. For others, I agree that they are largely in our rear view mirror, as we have left them in the dust. If I was an Orange fan, I would be salty about Rutgers, but also pointing out how it has gone for RU in the B1G since 2015- not well. The difference, however, is that once we get going, we are in a far better conference and positioned for future success. Syracuse seems stuck in reverse, but who knows, maybe they can turn it around. But they will still be in a lame and likely dying conference.
Not sure (or don't remember) the reason why Alijah Clark left us. Cuse does seem to have a contingent of players from South Jersey (Camden, Millville, etc) that have had some off field issues. Duce Chestnut. Taj Harris, which was surprised when we took him, and that did not work out well for RU or him. On some level, feel bad for Taj Harris, as he was very talented. Don't know his exact situation, but he did have a newborn to take care of.
Back to Allen- hope he gets a fair shot. Will say this much--at least Syracuse does something to discipline students and football players who violate standards of conduct. Many schools let football players slide.
Couldn't agree more there. Allen is/was their projected starter. After averaging 6.6 YPC in his true freshman season, you have to think they were expecting big things from him.
Interestingly, the disciplinary body was comprised solely of students who didn't even consider his self-defense claim.
And while this is a slippery slope, "The council that levied punishment, as well as the appeals council, was comprised of students."
Were the councils comprised of students from diverse backgrounds, more specifically, did the councils include perspectives of kids from poor or disadvantaged backgrounds? Because a kid who grew up in more disadvantaged, non-privileged background would have a different way of reacting to a situation when a friend calls who is getting assaulted than a kid from a more privileged background. The latter may be more inclined to call the police first, whereas, the kid from a poorer background might be more inclined to try the self-help route and get involved.
Before anyone jumps in and thinks this is advocating street justice, it's not. I'm just saying that in any type of proceeding, before being "convicted," generally a jury or council should be a jury of your peers. I can certainly understand to send a message to a student that you don't take matters into your own hands and resort to more violence. However, this incident appears to have been small potatoes, and considering the fact that Allen did not have any prior issues, his father's murder, and he will not be able to stay in school without playing football, some sort of strict probation would not seem out of line. Again, we don't have all of the facts, so maybe "small potatoes" is off base here.
We should always be able to beat out Syracuse for a NJ player, and take the majority of those we compete for against Boston College
BC did win a recruit over us recently
The fact that both programs come into NJ and either approach players we are interested in, or near a verbal with, is a issue the staff is well aware of
This has been news since December. This is the reason Duce transferred out. Doesn’t seem to be having an impact on NJ recruiting for them. Especially in South Jersey.
But as others have said “who cares”?
My dislike for SU stems from their fans pouring a drink on me while I sat on the bench after my INT. That sh*tty dome allows for the fans to be close to the benches. Close enough to throw a drink on me. Since then, I can't stand anything SU related.
The one time I was a Fred Gruninger fan. Saw him in the tunnel ripping SU people a new one about the treatment of the team along the sidelines.
I agree.
Scary thing is the way I read the story. Is that it stood up twice already. This was an appeal. I know this is now a legal matter out of university oversight but I can’t see this going away prior to the season. But who knows.
My experience is similar. When we were up there in '81 and '83, we had to deal with their scumbag fans throwing stuff at the band. That actually led to us forming the goon squad to deal with that; experienced the same thing up at BC in '82.
So putting aside my extreme distaste for the Rotting, Decrepit Orange of the Frozen Tundra, I've read all of the articles and this sounds like he is really being railroaded. How could the other person not be punished at all? There were obviously other people at that party, why weren't any of them called as witnesses? The whole thing stinks.
You do know that tubas and flugelhorns make excellent weapons? Did the band fight back?
The year the Giants played at the Yale Bowl (while Giants Stadium was being built) the halftime entertainment late in the season was the Hawthorne Caballeros.
It’s snowed that week and the Yale folks didn’t do a good job clearing the snow. So for their whole performance the band was pelted by snowballs. They never stopped playing. Kept going and did their whole show.
But when it was over the whole band went into the stands after those who threw at them. A real Donnybrook according to my late Dad’s friends who had our seats that season…”Oh it was a brawl! They went right up the aisles and started pounding people.”
Stupid fans (drunk I assume) forgot the wall at the Yale Bowl was much lower than Yankee Stadium or Shea (where the Giants played too for one season).
Sidebar: I don't think people recall that in 1975, the Mets, Jets, Giants, and Yankees played at Shea Stadium for one season. Yankee Stadium was undergoing renovations, forcing the Yankees and Giants to move to Queens temporarily. It was a forgettable year for all four teams.
Glad he gave them hell about the disgraceful SU people
There's something missing in this whole ordeal that neither side is willing to disclose. I guess time will tell.