as a starter, anyway. http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424127887323982704578453092944199494.html
Ouch! Even the CFL doesn't want Tebow
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Guy will have a job by August, if not for any reason other than he has the 2nd best agent in football.
Like him or not, he's a likable guy who works hard. Tavaris Jackson has had a job this long just because of those reasons.
Like him or not, he's a likable guy who works hard. Tavaris Jackson has had a job this long just because of those reasons.
You think he'll get a job as QB, though? He looks like he has an extra motion now, and cocks his arm. It seems that would make him susceptible to getting the ball swatted out, or the secondary extra time to read and close. I have nothing against him as a person, and he was a great college QB, but he's short for the pros, and that extra motion is a problem.
Is Russell Wilson tall enough for the nfl? Not saying tebow is as good as Russell, but he's certainly taller
I hope you're right. I like him too and thought he'd be a starter by now. I think part of the reason he's not is his open Christianity. He probably needs to tone that down a bit on the field. And he doesn't seem to be the favorite of the Jets coach.
He proved he could be a decent game manager in Denver. Even if he never fixes his mechanics, you get a backup qb that is serviceable that can also be used situationally. Probably not every coach can use him correctly, but it seems like a no brainer that somebody will pick him up. Just a question of at what salary.
Are you serious? Christianity is why he isn't a starter? Ever heard of Drew Brees? I follow about 10 Saints players and one of them ONLY tweets Bible versus and Drew Brees had a BEST SELLER that chronicled his faith.
I'd say a HUUUUUUUGE percent of NFL players are Christians. He isn't a starter because he sucks at throwing the football. He can have success but a coach would have cater to his skill set, they would need athletic TE's, a speedy RB, and a monster offensive line (<----- Denver). Not many people are going to change their whole team for one guy who has proved he isn't that great.
If he was a Muslim QB that killed puppies but could win, he would have a starting job. The NFL doesn't care about religion....John Elway knew the gimmick was up and sent him on his way. I will always pull for him but it is unlikely he will ever be a starter again and it has nothing to do with which God he chose to worship.
He need a ballsy coach like Sean Payton who likes to change it up on special teams. I don't think he ends up in NOLA though. Going back to my original point, I think almost every team would want him for backup QB to play holder to add that element, but he would bring a circus of 13 year old girls who have never watched football but like him for his off the field stuff.
When has he proven he isn't that great? He took a 1-4 Broncos team into the playoffs and won his first round game. Then he was benched in NYJ and attempted only 8 passes (6 completed) last year. Tebow is being forced out of the NFL because he's not traditional. Meaning he has bad mechanics but still finds a way to win and he brings a media circus with them. The owners, GM's and coaches just don't want the media headache that comes with him. It's too bad because Tebow can still win games and I enjoy watching him play. The Bills should take Tebow and buy completely into him. They won't though they'll draft EJ Manuel instead.
Yep, he is a terrible QB. And people dislike him not bc he is Christian, but because he is a terrible QB who people are CONSTANTLY talking about in an effort to convince everyone that he is NOT a terrible QB.
And yeah, he could probably be a serviceable backup, but a lot of teams won't pick him up because of the media circus that comes with him. Because while most backup QBs are understood to be backups for a reason, with Tebow you're always gonna have a lot of crazy people who think he ought to be starting and you're gonna be CONSTANTLY hearing about it. I just don't get why people are ALWAYS talking about this guy.
And yeah, he could probably be a serviceable backup, but a lot of teams won't pick him up because of the media circus that comes with him. Because while most backup QBs are understood to be backups for a reason, with Tebow you're always gonna have a lot of crazy people who think he ought to be starting and you're gonna be CONSTANTLY hearing about it. I just don't get why people are ALWAYS talking about this guy.
They should convert him to H-back
He could be a RB/H-back in the mold of Paul Hornung, a college QB who was converted into a Running Back under Vince Lombardi. There's a place in the NFL for a 6'3", 240 lb. guy who has a strong work ethic, has a nose for the end zone, and every once in a while could stop and throw a pass or two. Anyone who disagrees with is is probably a godless Satan worshipper who sacrifices kittens.
He could be a RB/H-back in the mold of Paul Hornung, a college QB who was converted into a Running Back under Vince Lombardi. There's a place in the NFL for a 6'3", 240 lb. guy who has a strong work ethic, has a nose for the end zone, and every once in a while could stop and throw a pass or two. Anyone who disagrees with is is probably a godless Satan worshipper who sacrifices kittens.
1- it's the NFL. Coaches are so desperate to win, they will try anything. Well, anything but something risky since again, it's the NFL and that means they are all scared and play everything safe.
See how brutal it is? They are desperate to win and will try anything(Tebow), but they are all overly safe because they are too scared to lose(Tebow).
2- Tebow doesn't play because he is too risky. Not because he is too religiousy. Players for decades have made the sign of the cross while playing, looked up to the sky, and thanked God over and again in interviews. Expressing faith doesn't keep you benched. Not enough skill and too much risk keeps you benched.
3- Yep, nailed it on the Jets observation. They screwed this all up. Had no place for him, had a terribly confused staff, seemed to create stories and controversies- the Jets were morons in this instance.
Its incredibly hard to imagine a guy that won the Heisman, won College National Championships, was drafted in the 1st round, led his team to the playoffs, and had the 2nd highest slling jersey would be out of the NFL just 18 months later.
Terrible QB? Really? In the ONLY season he was given a chance he took a losing 1-4 team to first round playoff win over the Steelers. He went 7-4, 12 passing touchdowns, 6 interceptions, 660 yards rushing with another 6 touchdowns rushing. Only Cam Newton had more rushing yards at QB than Tebow with 706 yards and he started from game 1, Tebow didn't start till game 5. How many playoff games did Denver win this last year? Ask yourself why do you hate Tebow so much? Just look at his record and his rushing yards. How happy would Carolina be if Cam Newton took them to the playoffs and won a game? He hasn't done that but Tim Tebow has. Tebow hasn't started another game since that playoff run. Why? Why should he be run out of the NFL? He's been given zero chance since he went 7-4 and was 2nd in the entire NFL in rushing for a QB. It's a shame what is being done to Tebow right now.
Tebow's career completion percentage is 47.9 percent. THAT'S why he should be run out of the NFL. Heck, JaMarcus Russell had a completion percentage of 52% and he is considered the biggest bust in NFL history. I guarantee you if he could complete 60% of his passes, no one would have an issue with him. Especially not in this day in age with Colin Kaepernick, Michael Vick, RG III, Russell Wilson.
Again, you're talking about a team who had no other choice but BLOW UP their offense and do only what Tebow could do. Wide receivers on that team said they hated it. It wouldn't have worked if Denver hadn't had the running game they had and the offensive line they had. He wouldn't work out in Jacksonville because their offensive line is garbage and they have no slot receivers or athletic tight ends.
There are a handful of teams that Tebow would be set up for success in the NFL and they all currently have All-Pro caliber QB's.
Hypothetically lets say he goes to San Diego. They have the 2nd worst fan attendance in the league but would be set up pretty nicely for a Tebow offense. He would do little to nothing to help with fan attendance while increasing all sorts of unwanted scrutiny by ESPN, similar to what happened to NYJ this season. What would you get at the end of the season? Maybe you'd win 10 games. Attendance still wouldn't be that great (I'm basing this on them having a popular QB now and being removed from a ~10 win season recently where they again had bad attendance) and all the receivers they DO have would leave in FA because no one who plays a skill position in the NFL wants to play in Tebow's offense.
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I can't see Tebow being open to switching positions. He has always been pretty adamant that he is a QB. At 6'3", his height isn't an issue.
I do think someone will play him at QB, but he's starting to run out of options.
How many current QB's with 60% completion rates can run as well as Tebow? I think it's fair to add Tebow's success on the ground and his ability to score touchdowns with his legs when comparing him to current QB's. I'd argue Tebow is the most durable of ALL the current read-option style QB's and he's by far the most bruising and powerful runner at the QB position the NFL may have ever seen. The dude is a hoss and he wins games. I'm surprised San Francisco or Washington doesn't pick him up. Their starting QB's already run the style of offense that Tebow can be successful at and if Kapernick or RG3 go down they would have Tebow to lean on.
As I remember it, a tremendous Broncos defense led the 1-4 Broncos to the playoffs.
I like Tebow, but let's be honest. He is not an NFL QB, or he would be playing QB in the NFL.
That is from being a starter for 1 year
With a shortened training camp. How many reps does the third string QB receive in practice? That's what he was before being put in in game 5. Also, the QB god, Elway, didn't have a much better completion % his first year as a starter.
The defense certainly played a big part in the broncos success. Tebow did too though. The broncos scored 38 (28 in 2nd half). They scored 38 (28 in second half) against Vikings. They scored 29 against the best defense in the nfl (steelers) to win playoff game. And I know Pittsburgh was missing defensive starters, but Eric decker and Chris kuper got injured early in that game. Tebow threw for 300. Tebow played a part in that division title. If it was only defense, how come they started 1-4 and didn't start winning till tebow took over?
He IS an NFL QB. What we are witnessing being done to Tebow right now I can not believe is being allowed. Only less than 2 years ago I watched him scramble and score a last second touchdown to beat Rex Ryan on the NFL Network and then they had him on the set interviewing him and EVERYONE was all about Tebow. Then the same ******* Rex Ryan decides to sign Tebow just for the sole purpose to bench him and ruin his career. Don't tell me Rex Ryan didn't do this on purpose. What I find so hard to believe is that the exact same people that so eagerly put Tebow on a pedestal the last time he was a starting QB now act like he's some horrific QB that has no place in the nfl. What changed? Tebow hasn't been given a chance since he lost that second round game. EVERYONE lovvvvvved Tebow after he beat the Jets and Steelers, then a year goes by without him changing one bit or getting a chance and POOF now EVERYONE says he can't play qb. People disgust me sometimes.
In the CFL it's common to make 45-50 attempts a game. Last year I'm pretty sure Tebow went 6-8 with just over 100 yards. Anthony Calvillo is the most beloved player in the CFL (I hate his team but respect him) and has thrown for over 73000 yards in 18 pro seasons. So he could do well from learning under him just like Garcia did with Flutie. The CFL game is played by 225lbs LB's who play coverage and blitz and run stop. Plus you have the addition of a defensive HB that will crack, sack and intercept everything Tebow throws up, full motion in the back field, and more pressure on 1st and 2nd down. Tebow can barely connect with a receiver in the NFL. I think he needs to either be humble and take a year or two as a back up in the NFL/CFL and work on his mechanics or play HB in the NFL and make big money. He would only make like 800k or a mill in the CFL. So it's up to him. Play for the love of the game or play for a paycheque.
I think Jacksonville is missing out on a huge opportunity to fill their stadium with Tebow and win some games. He is better than Blaine 17ing Gabbert and he would make them way more competitive and win a bunch more games than Gabbert could ever dream of. Tebow is from that area. Ticket sales alone would skyrocket not to mention all the extra money Tebow would bring them from all the extra exposure etc.
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1. $800k or a mil is more than he's making now.
2. He did not go 6-8 for 100 yards. He ran for 109 yards and passed for 39.
3. I was on the Tebow bandwagon when he was winning in Denver just because it was entertaining. It was a gimmick that's not sustainable in the NFL. That Denver team was gooooooood. Don't sit here and tell me Manning had 100% to do with why they won the #1 seed. Also don't sit here and tell me that the Broncos would have went to the playoffs with their final record in any other division.
4. He's not better than Cam, Wilson, RGIII, or Kaepernick. He was a GOD in college because he was the guy who made that type of QB popular. Unfortunately the year after he graduated his former backup had a better season in the SEC than he ever had. If Cam had never come through, we're looking at a situation where someone would have stuck him at starter and left him there and we'd have definite proof one way or another whether he could do it. Maybe.
I've heard every type of defense for Tebow. Durable. Hard worker. Whatever. He's not better than 31 other QB's in the NFL (Sanchez is a push).
How many mobile/running QBs are better passers than Tebow?
Answer: Every last one of them.
Having the legs to get the job done is fantastic, but as a QB in the NFL, having the right arm is mandatory - no amount of skill running the ball changes that.
Answer: Every last one of them.
Having the legs to get the job done is fantastic, but as a QB in the NFL, having the right arm is mandatory - no amount of skill running the ball changes that.
You're discounting his leadership and TWTW (the will to win). You're not even considering it actually. He WINS games. He makes his team better. His mechanics are ugly but so what. Tebow could only attempt 10 passes a game and he'd still win DOUBLE the amount of games that Blaine Gabbert will. Blaine Gabbert is 5-18 as a starter. Tebow is 7-4. When does 5-18 beat out 7-4?