I've seen it all MSU boards. Anytime we have a position group that sucks, we get blown out, or any other reason, the line that's parroted by MSU sunshine pumpers is we just need more NIL. No, how about we have coaches that can coach the players up and identify talent. I mean Indiana, the most losing program in the history of the NCAA is beating the crap out of people and it's not like they are swimming in NIL. Our fans need to stop blaming NIL for everything and start holding coaches accountable. How David turner still has a job on this staff is beyond my comprehension. Our DL has been so bad the past two years yet we don't hear any fans complaining about him. Phil loadholt should be gone as well. The OL is our worst position group and none of the young guys are getting better. Rant off
Our fanbase continues to use NIL as an excuse for bad coaching
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It’s kinda funny that the Arkansas win had people saying Lebby may leave for a better job just last week. I wasn’t impressed by barely beating a program that doesn’t even have a pulse right now
Look at Kentucky and Vandy. It's not just money. We were behind and have no depth but we're improving. I hope KT stays by I bet Lebby hits the portal again for a qb. He knows that it's a contract year. Plays are there but not being hit. Coaching has also cost us games and momentum.
Hopefully he won’t try to get Arnold again. Could get him at a discount
I think we do what it takes to keep KT. Let Kromenhauk go. And pick up a backup in the portal.
Why? Really do we have that much of a abused spuse approach to coaches? It's the era of NIL you go and get players, he's chosen to keep hutzler ( which I will admit is better this year, although today woof) and he brought on loadholdt to coach one of the two most important positions on the team and it's a cluster. We are delaying the inevitable, will we be happy next year if he doubles his SEC wins to two? Wow we will be .500 in the SEC in 4 years maybe?
I think both the talent and coaching has been bad on the DL and the Oline the past few years. Losing the transfer DT in game 2 hirt as did losing the OL transfer plus Reese for many games.
the problem is we haven’t hit on any HS talent on the line in quite some time which has made us dependent on mid level transfers
the problem is we haven’t hit on any HS talent on the line in quite some time which has made us dependent on mid level transfers
It is a good point that Vandy, IU, Mizzou field decent teams .... well IU is better than decent... but point is... you'd think they have similar resources.
However today, was mostly about UGA just being bigger and faster.
Better coaching wins UF and Tx games though
I dnk know what is the way out for MSU. But I do know it's extremely frustrating at the moment.
However today, was mostly about UGA just being bigger and faster.
Better coaching wins UF and Tx games though
I dnk know what is the way out for MSU. But I do know it's extremely frustrating at the moment.
If we could only recruit up to 3 star oline, we might be able to control the clock, run the ball, throw the ball, catch the ball and keep it away from the other team until we could recruit a few 3 & 4 star dline and lbs.
IF ONLY.
IF ONLY.
as long as people keep saying we need the rank and file to pony up for NIL when everybody knows the “rank and file” MSU fan probably lives paycheck to paycheck or is living in retirement or moved to Colorado, Florida, North Carolina, Texas, Georgia where they raised they kids who then went to schools in those states and their money goes there, State cannot and will not move above bottom 5 in the SEC!
We simply lost to a top 5 team. Nothing we could've done today to win that game.
Also interested in what the market has to say about KT. I think thats an excellent idea.
This thread is hilarious! Before the season everyone on here were saying if Lebby goes 5-7 with our schedule he deserved consideration for the SEC coach of the year. Now that we have a shot at a bowl game you folks are ready to fire him? BTW, if you didn't recognize the talent disparity Saturday then you don't understand football. Yes, we went for it on 4th down when we shouldn't have but Lebby knew winning was a long shot and why not show your support for the offense?
Yes very emotional fan base. I get the frustration though but this is what you get with a first time HC. Same with Mullen. Hopefully we'll reap the rewards at some point. I do hope that he gets some things changed this off season to help cut down on the frequency of this mistakes/ someone to help KT with passing
If we'd have kicked the field goal, the final score would've been 41-24.
Regarding talent. I'll use OM. I really think the difference in them and us, is one billionaire tort lawyer. Also Walker jones And all the lawyers running their NIL.
We need a billionaire to fund and more than one lawyer managing and running our NIL too.
We need a billionaire to fund and more than one lawyer managing and running our NIL too.
Agree. 5-6 wins at the beginning of the year was viewed as a mountain sized task. We have corrected course. Great job, Lebby, despite having some obviously boneheaded decisions during the season. Hopefully we can upset one of these last 2 slide into post season - something nearly everyone believed was a laughable possibility coming in to the year.
Next area for watching is can he leverage a positive image outside of our own program into improved talent and depth - especially in the trenches. I don't keep up with the transfer stuff in detail nor do I have any great inside info but the general feeling I've picked up on is that we have decent money to spend but that we've had to spend "more on less" given he has zero track record. Yeah we spend money but no it's not hitting the way it should. Lebby has to fix that ASAP if he wants to be a long term HC in this era. No clue if he will but that's obviously the next area he has to make a big stride in.
Agree with this. There’s about to be a ton of players in the portal with all these coaches getting fired and this will be the true test to see if he can upgrade talent in some key positions.
And how many in this thread actually give or is it the same ol **** you sit on your hands and wait for others like myself to give.
This a huge problem in our fan base. Everyone needs to start giving we don’t care if it’s 25 a month or 25K a month. Irregardless of how you feel about Lebby and staff the way out of this mess is for this fan base to step up and give. Even if you don’t think Lebby and Crew can get it done it shows the administration and the outside people this fans base wants to win and is ready to invest.
This a huge problem in our fan base. Everyone needs to start giving we don’t care if it’s 25 a month or 25K a month. Irregardless of how you feel about Lebby and staff the way out of this mess is for this fan base to step up and give. Even if you don’t think Lebby and Crew can get it done it shows the administration and the outside people this fans base wants to win and is ready to invest.
Our schedule turned out to be much less difficult than we thought it would be. But nobody seriously thinks Lebby should be fired. He’s not coach of the year candidate but overall he’s done a pretty decent job.
All three of those schools have greater resources, and in Vandy's case much greater resources, than we do.
We need better ol I'm hoping showing life this year helps that.
coaching we need some changes in positional coaches. Lebby needs to win 6-7 next year.
coaching we need some changes in positional coaches. Lebby needs to win 6-7 next year.
He is not, but he probably should be, a coach of the year candidate. We actually have a decent team this year. It's hard to overstate just how bad we were last year and how bad the talent was. We are light years ahead of where we were. We have a base to build on now and that is quite the accomplishment.
So does Indiana.
Offhand, I can't think of a single power 4 school with fewer resources than us. I am sure there are a couple, but I can't come up with them.
Depends on how confident you are Taylor can get the job done. I’d rather spend NIL money on starters on OL & DL than a backup QB. Also will need to replace at least 1 receiver & add a couple of LB and DB. I don’t think we can afford to tie up much money in players who won’t start.
I don't think this is likely accurate but that said, lol at cost of living up north compared to here. That said this is why we need to recruit offer scholarships like ole miss does as we're doing nothing to close the gap that exists between them and us.
Yep. You and goat are absolutely part of the problem.
Lebby's fanboys are rewriting history a bit here. They were saying that if Lebby wins 6 games, he should be coach of the year, but not "everyone" was saying it. Plenty of posters rightfully saw that the opportunity to make a bowl game was there and expected Lebby to do his part to get us there.
And even the people who were saying it have to adjust their expectations when they see the true quality of the teams we faced, not the perceived quality of them back in August. Before the season, most people would have thought that losing by 2 at Florida was a pretty good result, but when you add the context of "we lost a game to a team likely to finish 3-9 due to a massive coaching fuсkup" you have to adjust that previous notion.
And even the people who were saying it have to adjust their expectations when they see the true quality of the teams we faced, not the perceived quality of them back in August. Before the season, most people would have thought that losing by 2 at Florida was a pretty good result, but when you add the context of "we lost a game to a team likely to finish 3-9 due to a massive coaching fuсkup" you have to adjust that previous notion.
how to become a billionaire. step 1. get a billion dollars
No you have zero clue. You come on here blasting some stupid gif when I make a valid point. Most on here don’t want to give yet complain about coaching and players. This fan base is broke because they won’t step up they won’t support the team they are out in Lebby and refuse the see the good. Yesterday sucked but this team is improving. We need to buy in and not make stupid gifs or stupid post
Sorry about that. My gif use will certainly make a difference in deciding football games. I need to stay hyper focused on giving. Got it.
No argument there. But how much are we all allocating to buying talent? That's the million dollar question. Do they spend more? Do they spend more effectively? I have no clue.
That's something we all tend to overlook, sheer numbers of students. That means a bigger pool
of potential donars.