One reason our offense is hard to watch this year is because Perkins gets no yardage after contact. It's almost impossible to have a consistent offense when you can't get the tough yards. Perkins stats are inflated with big plays against inferior opponents but in the tough games against Bama and LSU this will cost us. I like Perkins and he is a good 3rd and long back but Milton should be getting the majority of the snaps. When we go to the run game in the second half of games we stall immediately resulting in the lackluster 2nd half performances. Am I the only person seeing this?
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I'm far from a FB expert, but I like the way Perkins has been playing so far. I think he is and should remain our prime running back.
Are we going to look at stats against the easiest schedule in the nation thus far or look on the field and see what's happening? We are struggling in short yardage situations and Perkins is one of the main reasons.
I don't agree that Milton should be getting the majority of the snaps, but......
I really like the way Milton runs the ball and I believe he is our running back for the future. I was hoping to see much more of him in the Kentucky game and I think he needs more playing time for the rest of the season. He is a Jerious Norwood type of back. Tough and runs north and south for the most part.
I really like the way Milton runs the ball and I believe he is our running back for the future. I was hoping to see much more of him in the Kentucky game and I think he needs more playing time for the rest of the season. He is a Jerious Norwood type of back. Tough and runs north and south for the most part.
Waldo,
I agree completely. Perkins has big time stats, but that because he breaks runs for big plays. Now let me be clear, there is nothing wrong with breaking big runs, but when you play Alabama, LSU, and maybe even Tennessee this weekend, big running plays will be harder to come by. Therefore, it is of the upmost importance that we are able to consistently convert on 3rd and 3 or less and 4th and 1. I do not question Perkins' stats, I question whether or not we have enough power in the running game to convert short yardage situations when we absolutely need to move the chains.
The Alabama and LSU games are going to be field position type games. LSU's offense stinks, and Alabama's is average. The last thing we need to do is give them short fields. At times, being able to convert short yardage situations is more important than scoring points. We must develop this part of our game.
I agree completely. Perkins has big time stats, but that because he breaks runs for big plays. Now let me be clear, there is nothing wrong with breaking big runs, but when you play Alabama, LSU, and maybe even Tennessee this weekend, big running plays will be harder to come by. Therefore, it is of the upmost importance that we are able to consistently convert on 3rd and 3 or less and 4th and 1. I do not question Perkins' stats, I question whether or not we have enough power in the running game to convert short yardage situations when we absolutely need to move the chains.
The Alabama and LSU games are going to be field position type games. LSU's offense stinks, and Alabama's is average. The last thing we need to do is give them short fields. At times, being able to convert short yardage situations is more important than scoring points. We must develop this part of our game.
My God I hate the way some of you people think.
Two things I've learned as a lifelong MSU fan...
1.) NEVER ARGUE WITH SUCCESS
2.) Never Defend Failure.
Two things I've learned as a lifelong MSU fan...
1.) NEVER ARGUE WITH SUCCESS
2.) Never Defend Failure.
He's not a huge back. We know.
He has skills that work, though. Yes, yards will be harder to come by in harder games...... no joke.
Don't forget he is a pretty decent receiver. They don't all have to be on the ground yardage.
I am also sure our coaching staff has plans in mind.
He has skills that work, though. Yes, yards will be harder to come by in harder games...... no joke.
Don't forget he is a pretty decent receiver. They don't all have to be on the ground yardage.
I am also sure our coaching staff has plans in mind.
I think we need to play a combo of Perk and Robinson
orPerk and Milton we need another option in the backfield. Perkins is doing fine and i think our running game will get better as the line matures a little more.
Our struggles on 3rd down have been due to 2 things:
1. On pass plays, poor play calling / reads: I don't know why it was taking so long to get the ball off quickly, but it was. Against KY I saw TR seeing the mismatches early and throwing the strikes.
2. On run plays, poor OL performance: Malone has been blown up a few times and there is a general lack of push from this line. It's really odd because their pass blocking has been very good so far, and that is the more difficult skill to coach. Maybe we are over-exaggerating pass blocking in practice.
That being said, we were 10-18 on 3rd down (56%) against KY. Before this game we were sub-35%. To give some context, Alabama is 49% and Oregon is 51% for the year. That is an outstanding performance no matter who you are playing.
1. On pass plays, poor play calling / reads: I don't know why it was taking so long to get the ball off quickly, but it was. Against KY I saw TR seeing the mismatches early and throwing the strikes.
2. On run plays, poor OL performance: Malone has been blown up a few times and there is a general lack of push from this line. It's really odd because their pass blocking has been very good so far, and that is the more difficult skill to coach. Maybe we are over-exaggerating pass blocking in practice.
That being said, we were 10-18 on 3rd down (56%) against KY. Before this game we were sub-35%. To give some context, Alabama is 49% and Oregon is 51% for the year. That is an outstanding performance no matter who you are playing.
Our job is to get Perkins into space, not require of him to get yards after contact. To that extent we arent using him as well as we need to, but he is capable of hitting a hole and once in the secondary, breaking it, which the 'yardage after contact' crew does not do as well.
I'd like to see us get someone like we used to have in Anthony Dixon signed so we can have the best of both worlds. Those kids dont come around e very single year.
I'd like to see us get someone like we used to have in Anthony Dixon signed so we can have the best of both worlds. Those kids dont come around e very single year.
I think we will see a healthy dose of Milton Saturday night. I really think Mullen has been saving him up till now. Robinson will improve, he's just young and still learning. I want to see Griffin have more of a chance, esp short yardage. I'm sure he's hungry to get some respect. Playing him more will only help. Perkins has been good but want to see that bubble screen work like in 2010!
I was surprised we didn't see a bit more of Milton/Robinson in the 2nd half also
Robinson is the bowling ball and powered ahead for some nice 4 and 5 yard runs when he got his carries. Milton has that lean to him that dicenzo and norwood had - they just seem to always fall forward for a few yards.
With Perkins is just a running style from what my eyes see. He's looking for a crease and cutback lane and is light on his feet - that helps him crack the big one, but also means he's not running through a lot of arm tackles at the line of scrimmage. Basically he's less likely to slam into the back of his OL and try to push the pile. But we also aren't giving him a FB most of the time so if the OL gets beat in the hole or the LB fills quickly then there's not a lot to do but run over the guy.
Robinson is the bowling ball and powered ahead for some nice 4 and 5 yard runs when he got his carries. Milton has that lean to him that dicenzo and norwood had - they just seem to always fall forward for a few yards.
With Perkins is just a running style from what my eyes see. He's looking for a crease and cutback lane and is light on his feet - that helps him crack the big one, but also means he's not running through a lot of arm tackles at the line of scrimmage. Basically he's less likely to slam into the back of his OL and try to push the pile. But we also aren't giving him a FB most of the time so if the OL gets beat in the hole or the LB fills quickly then there's not a lot to do but run over the guy.
If there is a "problem" with Perkins
It's that we don't throw to him enough- although we did throw to him more against UK. OK- yeah, he's not Dixon, Ballard, JJ, etc. But he is not a third down back either. He's more of an athlete than anything. He can run the ball, and he has the ability to catch the ball and make plays in space. He's almost a cross between a RB and a slot WR.
The thing is, for Perkins to be successful running the ball, we've got to be able to throw and do that pretty well, because he's not a guy that's going to be a 30 carry guy and can wear down a defense even if they put nine in the box.
That doesn't mean he's bad- it just means that he is different.
I think the truth about Robinson, Milton, and Griffin is that they are all still learning to a degree, and that's why they aren't playing more.
It's that we don't throw to him enough- although we did throw to him more against UK. OK- yeah, he's not Dixon, Ballard, JJ, etc. But he is not a third down back either. He's more of an athlete than anything. He can run the ball, and he has the ability to catch the ball and make plays in space. He's almost a cross between a RB and a slot WR.
The thing is, for Perkins to be successful running the ball, we've got to be able to throw and do that pretty well, because he's not a guy that's going to be a 30 carry guy and can wear down a defense even if they put nine in the box.
That doesn't mean he's bad- it just means that he is different.
I think the truth about Robinson, Milton, and Griffin is that they are all still learning to a degree, and that's why they aren't playing more.
Yes. He's a different type back. I've seen him since high school.
I said that earlier, but you summed it up better, so thanks. He's more of a hybrid running back.. which is fine when we make it work. And it can.
Georgia would like to kindly disagree...
Damn some of you people just look for **** to ***** about. Perkins and Ralph single handededly beat the bears 2 years ago. Perk played situational last year and personally I never expected him to play as well this year. We should all be thankful that he's gotten a little bigger and can handle the load of 25 rushes per game. I dont know of anyone who thought he could shoulder the load like he has thus far. He's also getting targeted more in the passing attack.
Waldo, how about you make like your titled book for a while, and appreciate 5-0.
Damn some of you people just look for **** to ***** about. Perkins and Ralph single handededly beat the bears 2 years ago. Perk played situational last year and personally I never expected him to play as well this year. We should all be thankful that he's gotten a little bigger and can handle the load of 25 rushes per game. I dont know of anyone who thought he could shoulder the load like he has thus far. He's also getting targeted more in the passing attack.
Waldo, how about you make like your titled book for a while, and appreciate 5-0.
It is a little sad that you form opinions of which you are aware of evidence to the contrary but cannot refute. Obviously, with Perkins, you do not have a J.J. Johnson style power runner, but none of the other guys on our team have shown the ability, even against our weak schedule, to break those big plays. If it were solely a function of the weak schedule, then the other guys would be breaking them off as well.
Are you seriously suggesting that our running game against LSU and Alabama will be better by pounding Milton than by using Perkins? How many big first downs did we get against Kentucky last weekend and many other teams the past two years by throwing Perkins the ball? Your point is absurd.
Are you seriously suggesting that our running game against LSU and Alabama will be better by pounding Milton than by using Perkins? How many big first downs did we get against Kentucky last weekend and many other teams the past two years by throwing Perkins the ball? Your point is absurd.
Agree totally Todd - although I think we've been saving a lot of screen packages as well (hopefully). Perk is an excellent receiver out of the backfield. The two biggest things I hope to see from our offense in real games is Tubby getting 3-5 touches and Perk being targeting 4-5 times as a receiver.
I think he has improved his game a lot between the tackles. I think he (perk) is very strong period, and extremely strong in his legs. He breaks a lot of arm tackles and seems hard to get a hold of. I'll bet defenders have a lot of trouble seeing him behind the o-line in the way of a ray rice type player. I like milton in short yardage because of his north/south style. He runs up-right, but i what I usually see is one cut/foot in the ground and upfield. I would like robinson in short yardage, but he is still too tentative for me. he is still useful, and he will evolve. Perk has good ball security, which is tantamount. I can't remember the last time he fumbled and that is the most valuable thing.
Longest runs:24yds
Here are the stats:
L. Perkins RB 82 rushes for 499yds/6D 6.1 yds/carry
Derrick Milton RB 22 rushes for 137yds/1TD 6.2 yds/carry
There is no reason that Milton should only get 1 carry against Kentucky. It's hard to say whether or not the other guys are capable of reeling off big plays because they aren't getting enough snaps to make a valid assessment. Perkins explosive runs have come against sub par opponents. My point is that in games where Perkins does not have the athletic advantage to bust big plays I would like to see more of Milton because the numbers and eye test show he is better at getting the tough yards.
Here are the stats:
L. Perkins RB 82 rushes for 499yds/6D 6.1 yds/carry
Derrick Milton RB 22 rushes for 137yds/1TD 6.2 yds/carry
There is no reason that Milton should only get 1 carry against Kentucky. It's hard to say whether or not the other guys are capable of reeling off big plays because they aren't getting enough snaps to make a valid assessment. Perkins explosive runs have come against sub par opponents. My point is that in games where Perkins does not have the athletic advantage to bust big plays I would like to see more of Milton because the numbers and eye test show he is better at getting the tough yards.
As much as I like Griffin he just isn't ready to play quite yet. He can't pass block and is still timid when hitting a hole due to his injury last year, which was evident all season when he has gotten in. He is young and with experience he will only get better. I see good things in his future as he gets better and stronger with more experience whether it be in practice or games.
His injury was 2 years ago. He was healthy enough to play last year, and he did quite a few times. It's almost make or break time with him, IMO....
Uh oh, more bad news.
Marcello just tweeted this:
Tennessee has allowed six runs of 40-plus yards, tying for second-worst mark in the nation.
That means Perk might get some more big plays that will skew his stats. We'll never be able to tell if he's any good, now!
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Marcello just tweeted this:
Tennessee has allowed six runs of 40-plus yards, tying for second-worst mark in the nation.
That means Perk might get some more big plays that will skew his stats. We'll never be able to tell if he's any good, now!
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