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ChicagoTiger85

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That’s debatable and a broader discussion on the Overton window and whether or not affiliation with corporate dems really qualifies as left in the political sense but all of that is beyond the scope of this thread since I was just commenting sarcastically in lieu of the common dismissals here.
Guys, come on. It’s not debatable whether Bloomberg slants left editorially. This isn’t an “Overton window” thing, either, other than it being likely that you’re pretty far left if you’re surprised by this.
 

Dungeon09

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Guys, come on. It’s not debatable whether Bloomberg slants left editorially. This isn’t an “Overton window” thing, either, other than it being likely that you’re pretty far left if you’re surprised by this.
It’s an Overton window thing when “commonly aligns with mainstream corporate dems” becomes synonymous with “left” for a company that makes the majority of its money supporting global finance.
 

P. Marlowe

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It’s an Overton window thing when “commonly aligns with mainstream corporate dems” becomes synonymous with “left” for a company that makes the majority of its money supporting global finance.

IOW @ChicagoTiger85 - in keeping with the last 10-15 pages - we’re here to validate feelings. Not discuss facts. And we’re going to do it very verbosely.
 
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Eh. He’s a Tulsi guy who primaried a Republican incumbent for a Congressional seat on behalf of Trump, defeated her, but then lost the general election and the GOP still hasn’t gotten that seat back. He’s basically another one of the ideological contrarians who glommed onto Trump who are getting the full Trump experience right now. This is exactly the kind of thing you’d expect from one of these people.
I was reading somewhere else his wife was killed running ops in Syria a few years back and since then he's been staunchly anti-interventionist.
 

Dungeon09

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IOW @ChicagoTiger85 - in keeping with the last 10-15 pages - we’re here to validate feelings. Not discuss facts. And we’re going to do it very verbosely.
Listen you don’t get to kvetch about digressions when you’re the one that wrote some “well AKTCHULLY” paragraphs in response to a clearly sarcastic comment in the first place.

Anyways, Bloomberg is a financial services company owned by an actual billionaire who routinely uses his wealth to leverage his personal interests in politics. Editorial direction on petit social issues only makes them “left leaning” when the rest of the discourse has abandoned any sort of economic dichotomy. Thats an Overton window thing. Sorry about your feelings on verbosity. I’ll try to use smaller words.
 
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Listen you don’t get to kvetch about digressions when you’re the one that wrote some “well AKTCHULLY” paragraphs in response to a clearly sarcastic comment in the first place.

Anyways, Bloomberg is a financial services company owned by an actual billionaire who routinely uses his wealth to leverage his personal interests in politics. Editorial direction on petit social issues only makes them “left leaning” when the rest of the discourse has abandoned any sort of economic dichotomy. Thats an Overton window thing. Sorry about your feelings on verbosity. I’ll try to use smaller words.

@P. Marlowe has a lot more insight on this topic than you or myself will ever have...trust me on that. He is just tired of the B/S being spewed in this thread from random and uninformed twitter sources
 

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Israel is claiming that they, along with us, hit some Iranian gas processing facility in SW Iran. Iranian officials said that they will now start targeting Gulf energy sites
 

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Listen you don’t get to kvetch about digressions when you’re the one that wrote some “well AKTCHULLY” paragraphs in response to a clearly sarcastic comment in the first place.

Anyways, Bloomberg is a financial services company owned by an actual billionaire who routinely uses his wealth to leverage his personal interests in politics. Editorial direction on petit social issues only makes them “left leaning” when the rest of the discourse has abandoned any sort of economic dichotomy. Thats an Overton window thing. Sorry about your feelings on verbosity. I’ll try to use smaller words.
He's just trying to keep this thread in check. There are about 3 posters that try to take it off the rails multiple times a day.
 

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Dungeon09

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Its almost as if the plan is to destroy americans ability to grow their own food independent of corporate owned or government funded agriculture.
That, along with the potential global shift from the petrodollar to the yuan as global reserve currency, is one of my bigger long term concerns about this conflict. Hanlon’s razor, I don’t think it’s The Plan because I don’t think anyone calling shots right now is smart enough to have a plan, but I think it’s a definite consequence.
 

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I never listened to liberals who kept screening Trump would start world war 3 and the pedo actually did it. Crazy world. Still praying every politician who takes money from AIPAC kids have a chance to fight in the Middle East.
 
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I never listened to liberals who kept screening Trump would start world war 3 and the pedo actually did it. Crazy world. Still praying every politician who takes money from AIPAC kids have a chance to fight in the Middle East.
WW3?
 

P. Marlowe

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That, along with the potential global shift from the petrodollar to the yuan as global reserve currency, is one of my bigger long term concerns about this conflict. Hanlon’s razor, I don’t think it’s The Plan because I don’t think anyone calling shots right now is smart enough to have a plan, but I think it’s a definite consequence.

To the yuan? LOL. What happened in markets globally when this kicked off?
 

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Per a recent TruthSocial post, sounds like Trump is floating the idea of abandoning objectives around the SOH because none of our allies will help us
 

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I always have my eyes on the Middle East. Because at the end of times, that's where the ultimate battle will take place. Glad we are still on Israel's side.
The Middle East has been declared ‘the final battleground’ by every generation for the past 2,000 years. I’ve been told the end is near for my entire life. At some point we have to acknowledge that interpreting current events as the fulfillment of prophecy has a 0% historical success rate.
 

Dungeon09

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To the yuan? LOL. What happened in markets globally when this kicked off?
Signal vs noise. If we’re headed towards multipolarity and the US continues our current trajectory of being an unreliable partner then there’s plenty of incentive for foreign holders to find new safe havens. If the proposal for keeping the strait closed except to tankers moving oil transacted in Chinese currency happens then that certainly doesn’t help, does it? I saw plenty of the posters ITT cheering this admin on wringing their hands over de-dollarization resulting from Biden’s russia sanctions 3-4 years ago. Europe has only grown closer to China economically since then and I’d say it’s a bigger risk now than it was then.
 

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The Middle East has been declared ‘the final battleground’ by every generation for the past 2,000 years. I’ve been told the end is near for my entire life. At some point we have to acknowledge that interpreting current events as the fulfillment of prophecy has a 0% historical success rate.
Not to mention it's simply bad theology (dispensational) that hasn't been widely accepted in even the most conservative/evangelical schools of thought (unless your pastor went to DTS) for over 20 years.
 

P. Marlowe

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Listen you don’t get to kvetch about digressions when you’re the one that wrote some “well AKTCHULLY” paragraphs in response to a clearly sarcastic comment in the first place.

Anyways, Bloomberg is a financial services company owned by an actual billionaire who routinely uses his wealth to leverage his personal interests in politics. Editorial direction on petit social issues only makes them “left leaning” when the rest of the discourse has abandoned any sort of economic dichotomy. Thats an Overton window thing. Sorry about your feelings on verbosity. I’ll try to use smaller words.

It’s not word length that’s the issue. It’s word count. Apologies. I assumed that was clear when I used the word verbose.

And, seeing as how I’m sitting in front of a Bloomberg terminal right now, I realize they are a fintech/services company. They are also a media company. Hence the journalists, the magazine, the website, the TV channel, the radio channel, the podcast arm, etc. Saying they - the media arm - lean left isn’t a criticism. It’s simply fact. We can sit here and parse this argument and obfuscate by calling them a financial services company and ignoring the other side of the enterprise, but it does exist. And, that’s obviously the portion we’re talking about when we discuss a leftward lean. It’s like calling Amazon a retailer. Or General dynamics a business jet builder. Sure. That’s part of what they do. There are large parts that do other stuff.
 
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P. Marlowe

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I never listened to liberals who kept screening Trump would start world war 3 and the pedo actually did it. Crazy world. Still praying every politician who takes money from AIPAC kids have a chance to fight in the Middle East.

AIPAC doesn’t donate to individual politicians….
 
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The Middle East has been declared ‘the final battleground’ by every generation for the past 2,000 years. I’ve been told the end is near for my entire life. At some point we have to acknowledge that interpreting current events as the fulfillment of prophecy has a 0% historical success rate.
I agree with 0% success rate to date. But, that will change one day. In our lifetime or another's who knows? But, bible prophecy will come true at some point in mankind's future.
 

Dungeon09

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It’s not word length that’s the issue. It’s word count. Apologies. I assumed that was clear when I used the word verbose.

And, seeing as how I’m sitting in front of a Bloomberg terminal right now, I realize they are a fintech/services company. They are also a media company. Hence the journalists, the magazine, the website, the TV channel, the radio channel, the podcast arm, etc. Saying they - the media arm - lean left isn’t a criticism. It’s simply fact. We can sit here and parse this argument and obfuscate by calling them a financial services company and ignoring the other side of the enterprise, but it does exist. And, that’s obviously the portion we’re talking about when we discuss a leftward lean. It’s like calling Amazon a retailer. Or General dynamics a business jet builder. Sure. That’s part of what they do. There are large parts that do other stuff.
Right, but the scope of what actually qualifies them as “left” is editorially petty social issues and that fact is the Overton window issue. Capitalists for gay marriage vs Capitalists against gay marriage is only a meaningful left vs right dichotomy when the rest of the political landscape has been homogenized away.
 

P. Marlowe

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Signal vs noise. If we’re headed towards multipolarity and the US continues our current trajectory of being an unreliable partner then there’s plenty of incentive for foreign holders to find new safe havens. If the proposal for keeping the strait closed except to tankers moving oil transacted in Chinese currency happens then that certainly doesn’t help, does it? I saw plenty of the posters ITT cheering this admin on wringing their hands over de-dollarization resulting from Biden’s russia sanctions 3-4 years ago. Europe has only grown closer to China economically since then and I’d say it’s a bigger risk now than it was then.

The dedollarization talk the last 10 years has always been stupid. I’ve said that numerous times on here. When people were wigging over the BRICS currency, I said it was dumb then too. And got shouted down. Fact is in the first week of this conflict, there was direct, observable flows of $60B into the $. Global developed and EM saw huge capital outflows. Dollar index saw large moves and significantly outperformed the other safe havens - yen, CHF, and gold. While it’s not directly measurable as flows into the $ (happens via FX swaps, hedging adjustments, reserve repositioning, derivatives, etc.), when you see moves like that it’s pretty indicative of hundreds of billions in FX repositioning to the $. So, at the height of recent uncertainty geopolitically and for the current iteration of US leadership, the flight to safety still flowed to the dollar. Begs the question - why? And what is going to change that?
 

P. Marlowe

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What?

Edit: weird point of distinction, AIPAC doesn’t donate to individual politicians, they bundle donations from individual donors which are then donated to individual politicians by their PAC, AIPAC-PAC.

Not really. There are other Israeli connected pacs that donate to individuals. Sure. There are AIPAC donors that donate to individuals and/or PACs that distribute money to individuals. AIPAC itself has made it policy not to donate to individual candidates. Not really what they do.

That said, if you removed every sitting legislator at the federal level who has taken money from any of those sources, you’d be left with like 8 legislators - Tlaib, Omar, AOC, Hirono, a couple from Cali and the guy from Texas.
 

Dungeon09

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The dedollarization talk the last 10 years has always been stupid. I’ve said that numerous times on here. When people were wigging over the BRICS currency, I said it was dumb then too. And got shouted down. Fact is in the first week of this conflict, there was direct, observable flows of $60B into the $. Global developed and EM saw huge capital outflows. Dollar index saw large moves and significantly outperformed the other safe havens - yen, CHF, and gold. While it’s not directly measurable as flows into the $ (happens via FX swaps, hedging adjustments, reserve repositioning, derivatives, etc.), when you see moves like that it’s pretty indicative of hundreds of billions in FX repositioning to the $. So, at the height of recent uncertainty geopolitically and for the current iteration of US leadership, the flight to safety still flowed to the dollar. Begs the question - why? And what is going to change that?
I’m not saying that it’s a certainty that it happens, just that I think it’s a 1% chance and that’s enough to make me uncomfortable. Allegorically, Europe was the center of the economic universe until it wasn’t. Obviously there’s a whole century of events that contribute to that flip but when you zoom out, you can make the case that history might rhyme. Internal discord, overextended foreign presence, high debt, rising foreign superpowers, etc.
 

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Not really. There are other Israeli connected pacs that donate to individuals. Sure. There are AIPAC donors that donate to individuals and/or PACs that distribute money to individuals. AIPAC itself has made it policy not to donate to individual candidates. Not really what they do.

That said, if you removed every sitting legislator at the federal level who has taken money from any of those sources, you’d be left with like 8 legislators - Tlaib, Omar, AOC, Hirono, a couple from Cali and the guy from Texas.
You left out Massie. Currently Israel is spending millions in Kentucky because he won’t take their money. Thankfully each election Trump insults Massie he wins by a bigger percentage.

was also nice to see that one eye loser in Texas get voted out.