Over the next few weeks, keep your eyes on the Middle East

Dungeon09

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Not really. There are other Israeli connected pacs that donate to individuals. Sure. There are AIPAC donors that donate to individuals and/or PACs that distribute money to individuals. AIPAC itself has made it policy not to donate to individual candidates. Not really what they do.

That said, if you removed every sitting legislator at the federal level who has taken money from any of those sources, you’d be left with like 8 legislators - Tlaib, Omar, AOC, Hirono, a couple from Cali and the guy from Texas.
It’s a bit of obfuscation and I’m not sure it’s a really relevant distinction even if it is factually correct. AIPAC is essentially a colloquialism for the Israel lobby at this point and that’s why the research focuses on AIPAC adjacent donations instead of AIPAC itself. AIPAC is a Public Affairs Committee that acts more as a traffic director for the Israel lobby, bundling and directing funding from a broader group of donors to strategically selected candidates. They do have a Political Action Committee of their own that engages in direct donation but at an order of magnitude less than their “bundling” operations.

You’re correct that the majority of both parties in both chambers accept substantial funding from these groups and you won’t catch me carrying water for any of them on that fact.
 

nmerritt11

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You left out Massie. Currently Israel is spending millions in Kentucky because he won’t take their money. Thankfully each election Trump insults Massie he wins by a bigger percentage.

was also nice to see that one eye loser in Texas get voted out.

I get some not agreeing with Crenshaws political stances and I think a lot in Texas are not against him being voted out but to call Navy Seal a loser shows how much disrespect you have for our military. He lost his eye defending our county in not his first, nor his second but his third deployment. He deserves a little respect

Losers don’t become Navy Seals
 

leetp

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From what I can find we did not want them to have it and they deceived us. Possibly even stole us government secrets. But somehow they are an ally. Maybe Iran just needs to start paying off our politicians.
Never mind the stuff about Iran....that's what I mean. I'm saying, don't ignore the contradiction.
 

BigPapaWhit

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This thread is a constant reminder that I am not the smartest person in the room. However, I am reassured by the fact that I am neither the dumbest. Yet I can only blame myself for engaging in this drug that has turned a life of blissful ignorance into one of blind folly and sneering cynicism. Beer used to help but now I am not so sure. To make matters worse, it is leg day.
 

Dungeon09

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I get some not agreeing with Crenshaws political stances and I think a lot in Texas are not against him being voted out but to call Navy Seal a loser shows how much disrespect you have for our military. He lost his eye defending our county in not his first, nor his second but his third deployment. He deserves a little respect

Losers don’t become Navy Seals
Eh, I’ve got some friends who were SEALs or have worked closely with them who will tell you the exact opposite and name names. My GB buddy who’s currently with one of the Guard SF Groups claims that 10-20% of the people you work with in that business are the worst people you’ll ever meet. His words, not mine. The Montana senator Shelby who claims he got shot in the arm in Afghanistan had former teammates coming out saying he was lying about it during the campaign. Like any other field, fast risers can be highly competent sociopaths and that personality type can be well suited to politics so it’s not surprising.
 

GDead_Tiger

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Eh, I’ve got some friends who were SEALs or have worked closely with them who will tell you the exact opposite and name names. My GB buddy who’s currently with one of the Guard SF Groups claims that 10-20% of the people you work with in that business are the worst people you’ll ever meet. His words, not mine. The Montana senator Shelby who claims he got shot in the arm in Afghanistan had former teammates coming out saying he was lying about it during the campaign. Like any other field, fast risers can be highly competent sociopaths and that personality type can be well suited to politics so it’s not surprising.
SEALs love to blab about what they did and talk up their own performance. Operation Red Wings was a self-created SNAFU because they were so full of themselves. There is also all the bizarre stuff Robert O'Neill has said and done.
 
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TigerTrout88

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Larijani was one of the pro-ceasefire guys, all they're doing is making the remaining leadership more radical. The regime leadership isn't in danger of collapse (if you believe our own intelligence analysis)
Time will tell. WSJ put out an interesting article yesterday on recent targeted attacks and ground intelligence gathering by Iranian citizens.
 

GDead_Tiger

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Time will tell. WSJ put out an interesting article yesterday on recent targeted attacks and ground intelligence gathering by Iranian citizens.
Do you have a link to it? I'd like to read it. I generally have a very dim view of this "special military operation" and its overall strategic and political goals and the ability to reach those.
 

SlipDrip

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I get some not agreeing with Crenshaws political stances and I think a lot in Texas are not against him being voted out but to call Navy Seal a loser shows how much disrespect you have for our military. He lost his eye defending our county in not his first, nor his second but his third deployment. He deserves a little respect

Losers don’t become Navy Seals
He ran on America first and got voted out for being Israel first. Last time I check he just lost
 
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GDead_Tiger

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He ran on America first and got voted out for being Israel first. Last time I check he just lost
His district lines got redrawn slightly and I don't think he is really from his district. Some pool magnate beat him, a return to form for that district
 
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SlipDrip

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Time will tell. WSJ put out an interesting article yesterday on recent targeted attacks and ground intelligence gathering by Iranian citizens.
War with Iran won’t be easier than Iraq and Afghanistan. Trump will pretend it’s near the end hourly to try and save the stock market and bring oil prices down. Iran just has to wait one year until dems win the house and senate.

Trump’s legacy will be starting this war. I just hope we also remember him as the guy who shut down the country for the flu.
 

TigerTrout88

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War with Iran won’t be easier than Iraq and Afghanistan. Trump will pretend it’s near the end hourly to try and save the stock market and bring oil prices down. Iran just has to wait one year until dems win the house and senate.

Trump’s legacy will be starting this war. I just hope we also remember him as the guy who shut down the country for the flu.
The post is about intelligence gathering and how Israel is striking different targets, but thanks for your unsolicited opinion on the presidents legacy.
 
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tigerjimp

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Bloomberg reporting that some important gulf oil facilities are being evacuated
Probably a good idea right now.

I believe we are coming to the conclusion that the only way the Iranian oil and gas fields survive is if we bale early and leave the regime intact. If as reported this morning, we and everyone in the gulf have determined that the regime must go or the Iranian situation is going to be much worse, the regime will torch the fields themselves as their last action as another stick in the world’s eye if we are successful. Thinking the Iranian (and gulf) oil production could be spared through all o this was/is foolish.

Unfortunately this latest move also means the Iranians are going after everyone else’s fields, but they were already. And while most of the rest of the gulf’s oil has come to a halt, Iranian production has been going up, along with their revenue stream.

Unless we are going to bale now quickly, it’s time to do the inevitable and destroy their production and revenue stream. It is going to get very me$$y and I wouldn’t want to be anywhere near an oil field anywhere in the entire gulf.

Down the slippery slope we slide.
 

GDead_Tiger

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Probably a good idea right now.

I believe we are coming to the conclusion that the only way the Iranian oil and gas fields survive is if we bale early and leave the regime intact. If as reported this morning, we and everyone in the gulf have determined that the regime must go or the Iranian situation is going to be much worse, the regime will torch the fields themselves as their last action as another stick in the world’s eye if we are successful. Thinking the Iranian (and gulf) oil production could be spared through all o this was/is foolish.

Unfortunately this latest move also means the Iranians are going after everyone else’s fields, but they were already. And while most of the rest of the gulf’s oil has come to a halt, Iranian production has been going up, along with their revenue stream.

Unless we are going to bale now quickly, it’s time to do the inevitable and destroy their production and revenue stream. It is going to get very me$$y and I wouldn’t want to be anywhere near an oil field anywhere in the entire gulf.

Down the slippery slope we slide.
Its definitely an escalation that will have serious long term implications for the global economy and global supply chains.

I think this will end with the Iranian regime weakened but intact. Don't see us doing a massive ground invasion.
 

SDTiger9

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They are notably left of center. That doesn’t mean every piece has that slant. Nor does it mean that they aren’t incredibly high quality journalism by and large. They are. When I took multiple AP history courses, I had the same teacher multiple years. One of the biggest flower child, hippy leftists I ever had. Also one of the best teachers I ever had. She spent the first month of every course basically teaching a mini-rhetoric course about how to read/research. Basically drilled into us to use high quality sources (primary where possible) and to understand that every source is biased. It is a matter of finding high quality sources and then understanding the biases that may exist and adjusting your lens - as the reader - to account for that. That is something that seems to be a lost art in education these days.
2 massive reasons for the lost art lens adjustment.

1. Attention spans/variable information access - when we read newspapers, it was all intact. It was dialed in with limited distraction. And it was well written.

2. Phones encourage brain rot multitasking and I fall victim to it constantly.
Reading Iran news article
Quick text
Score of CU baseball game?
Tim Dillon Podcast drop yet?
What’s @fatpiggy saying now?
What article was I reading?
Nice clickbait article title
Is Dabo actually gonna let Chad cook?
Back to article
Uranium enrichment at 220 or 221?
Does anyone really think this is about nukes? ⛽️ and 🇮🇱
Is @RaleighTiger OG OK?
What article was I reading? Ah, Iran playing in the World Cup.
And on and on and on

(I’m not this pathetic especially when it comes to serious discussion and topics. But, it’s indicative of the world we now live in. You can’t have a serious conversation with people especially when they have predetermined outcomes. Many don’t even want to try.)
 

P. Marlowe

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SEALs love to blab about what they did and talk up their own performance. Operation Red Wings was a self-created SNAFU because they were so full of themselves. There is also all the bizarre stuff Robert O'Neill has said and done.

Bit of a broad brush there. You know many? The vast majority of them don’t talk. The vast majority want no attention and want to be left alone. The vast majority also know they’re very good at what they do and there aren’t many people willing to do or capable of doing what they do. So sure. Some of them - especially when they’re younger - are a tad arrogant. But, virtually all elite operators are at some level. Kind of comes with the territory.
 

RaleighTiger OG

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2 massive reasons for the lost art lens adjustment.

1. Attention spans/variable information access - when we read newspapers, it was all intact. It was dialed in with limited distraction. And it was well written.

2. Phones encourage brain rot multitasking and I fall victim to it constantly.
Reading Iran news article
Quick text
Score of CU baseball game?
Tim Dillon Podcast drop yet?
What’s @fatpiggy saying now?
What article was I reading?
Nice clickbait article title
Is Dabo actually gonna let Chad cook?
Back to article
Uranium enrichment at 220 or 221?
Does anyone really think this is about nukes? ⛽️ and 🇮🇱
Is @RaleighTiger OG OK?
What article was I reading? Ah, Iran playing in the World Cup.
And on and on and on

(I’m not this pathetic especially when it comes to serious discussion and topics. But, it’s indicative of the world we now live in. You can’t have a serious conversation with people especially when they have predetermined outcomes. Many don’t even want to try.)
Chevy Chase Ellie GIF
 

kidmike41

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HunterPKP

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Larijani was one of the pro-ceasefire guys, all they're doing is making the remaining leadership more radical. The regime leadership isn't in danger of collapse (if you believe our own intelligence analysis)

Larijani has never been one to be trusted. Ceasefire afficionado because he's much higher up the food chain when still alive and in a position of even better influence with the decapitation actions that have already occurred. He's just one more of the bad actors.

War with Iran won’t be easier than Iraq and Afghanistan. Trump will pretend it’s near the end hourly to try and save the stock market and bring oil prices down. Iran just has to wait one year until dems win the house and senate.

Trump’s legacy will be starting this war. I just hope we also remember him as the guy who shut down the country for the flu.

Only base idiots think Trump started this war. This war started on October 7th, 2023, by Hamas which was backed and had help planning said attack by the IRGC. Not to mention the funding and weapons used. Any rationale to the contrary is not based in any form of reality and needs to be reset. Period. Point Blank. End of Discussion there.

That does not mean Trump isn't a narcissistic arsehole and has made some bad decisions. However, just wanted to clear that part up.
 

SlipDrip

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Larijani has never been one to be trusted. Ceasefire afficionado because he's much higher up the food chain when still alive and in a position of even better influence with the decapitation actions that have already occurred. He's just one more of the bad actors.



Only base idiots think Trump started this war. This war started on October 7th, 2023, by Hamas which was backed and had help planning said attack by the IRGC. Not to mention the funding and weapons used. Any rationale to the contrary is not based in any form of reality and needs to be reset. Period. Point Blank. End of Discussion there.

That does not mean Trump isn't a narcissistic arsehole and has made some bad decisions. However, just wanted to clear that part up.
Wait, why does Israel being attacked by Palestine = war in America? I thought Israel genocide Palestine away because of it. Please explain why us Americans are now at war with Iran.

and 2016 Trump wouldn’t have been to war but that’s before Israel tried to kill him.
 

SDTiger9

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Not really. There are other Israeli connected pacs that donate to individuals. Sure. There are AIPAC donors that donate to individuals and/or PACs that distribute money to individuals. AIPAC itself has made it policy not to donate to individual candidates. Not really what they do.

That said, if you removed every sitting legislator at the federal level who has taken money from any of those sources, you’d be left with like 8 legislators - Tlaib, Omar, AOC, Hirono, a couple from Cali and the guy from Texas.
I would argue that many people use “AIPAC” as a general term for any and all Israeli oriented PACs.

I imagine some would extend that to certain Jewish and/or Israeli support too. Like any Adelson donations over the years.
 

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How did Isreal get a nuclear weapon? Did they conceal their actions and lie to the USA about it? Why is that ok?
We give Israel way too much credit for being the peaceful Middle East country that’s force fed down our throats. People forget king Herod sent the wise men to kill Jesus. Yet we give everything to Israel…. Billions and billions of dollars while our own veterans suffer.
 

SDTiger9

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This sounds like someone who doesn't know how to contain the chaos he's unleashed in the region (recent chaos, obv that region runs on chaos). Israel has already said that we did in fact know about these latest targeted attacks and actually approved them.


So Don is criticizing Israel? I thought that’s not allowed, by anyone?
When does Shapiro call him antisemitic?