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You have to believe this to be the case. Russia has been partnered with Iran for the better part of 2-3 decades. They've even loaned out Nuclear Engineers on multiple occasions and sold S300s and S400s to Iran in 2023.

I know everyone was disliking Trump's approach to Russia and I still do. That being said, he wasn't placating without getting something in return and don't just think it's agreement on taking care of Iran.
I agree that letting Russia know is smart.

That’s not fear, it’s making an effort to minimize ‘collateral damage’ and not make another enemy.
 

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Ahh yes, the warmonger rears his head. Please explain how you see the US doing that without Russia pushing that big red nuclear button.
This is the issue. Regimes like Russia, Iran and North Korea arent going to just surrender, they know they're all dead if they do. They will launch everything they have.
 

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Ahh yes, the warmonger rears his head. Please explain how you see the US doing that without Russia pushing that big red nuclear button.
That’s the problem. And a significant one.

But we can’t let them push us around either. If they try to invade us or an ally (which is what I was responding to BTW - Russia invading via an arctic path, which would have to mean Alaska) then we’re likely at a point where that either has happened or it won’t.

We cannot be Russia’s *****. We’ve got nukes too. And a history of using them.
 

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They get more use than the poor B1.

Coolest looking bomber we have and we never seem to use it. Pardon the pun but the design never really took off.
Both were used in ops last year. B-1 for strikes in Iraq and Syria in response to the 3 soldiers killed in the drone attack in Jordan. The B-2s hit hardened underground storage facilities in Yemen in October in response to Houthi attacks, ostensibly. Probably more of a show for Iran - demonstrating they can hit fortified underground targets.
 

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This is the issue. Regimes like Russia, Iran and North Korea arent going to just surrender, they know they're all dead if they do. They will launch everything they have.
So what’s the answer? Being their niche certainly isn’t it.

NK we can probably just leave alone.
Iran - Israel can probably handle.
Russia? Their military is garbage. But I realize the nuclear threat is very real.
 

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So what’s the answer? Being their niche certainly isn’t it.

NK we can probably just leave alone.
Iran - Israel can probably handle.
Russia? Their military is garbage. But I realize the nuclear threat is very real.
I wish I had all of the answers. Technology is advancing so rapidly, and weapons are getting so destructive, at some point the "lucky" survivors of war will live in silos. Oh ****, I should sell that to Hollywood.
 

P. Marlowe

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That’s the problem. And a significant one.

But we can’t let them push us around either. If they try to invade us or an ally (which is what I was responding to BTW - Russia invading via an arctic path, which would have to mean Alaska) then we’re likely at a point where that either has happened or it won’t.

We cannot be Russia’s *****. We’ve got nukes too. And a history of using them.
Attempting to invade the United States would arguably be the worst strategic decision in military history. Invading via Alaska would add orders of magnitude of stupid to the already stupid decision.
 

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Calling Trump anyone's puppet after the last administration is absolutely hilarious
Setting aside the last admin because they are not currently at the negotiating table.

Which leader has the advantage at said table? I am not referring to kompromat. We cannot prove there is any. Brain vs Brain. KGB lifer vs Businessman. What is the tale of the tape?

No hidden agenda. Anyone can answer. Not talking about weapons, Armies etc. Man vs Man, Consider it a thought exercise.
 

anon1753124268

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Russia ain’t gonna do **** if they have a single brain cell.

A war between the US and Russia would last as long as we want it to. Their military’s garbage and they cannot project power beyond their borders.

I will say if they do get stupid and **** around they need to find out. As in Russia needs to cease to exist.
They can make us cease to exist just as much as we can make them cease
 

nmerritt11

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Setting aside the last admin because they are not currently at the negotiating table.

Which leader has the advantage at said table? I am not referring to kompromat. We cannot prove there is any. Brain vs Brain. KGB lifer vs Businessman. What is the tale of the tape?

No hidden agenda. Anyone can answer. Not talking about weapons, Armies etc. Man vs Man, Consider it a thought exercise.

well there were no wars started during the first 4 years of Trump dealing with Putin. It is funny how people bash Trump but Obama was also one that felt the US needed to be able to negotiate and keep Putin on a leash

And you cannot set aside the last administration b/c they had a chance to negotiate and not allow this to get to where it is at

I'll take Trump in a man v/s man conversation 100X over Biden. That dude had dementia and him, nor his VP, could speak without a teleprompter. Brain v/s Brain? Biden was mocked for years by the Democratic party...they put him and Kamala in office to be just that...the parties puppets. There is a reason the Democratic party has the lowest approval rating in history right now. They could have negotiated and kept all this from getting started

Look what Trump did with the North Korea/South Korea situation and tell me he cannot negotiate. Everyone thought he was going to create WW3 because he did not back down...what happened? No wars started under his watch...he went toe to toe with Kim. What makes you think he can't go toe to toe with the leaders in this situation like Putin and Hamas?

They know Trump is not going to back down. And they know that they don't want the wrath of the U.S. And he is not negotiating a deal on the back end for him.
 

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They can make us cease to exist just as much as we can make them cease
Russia will not cease to exist. To think otherwise is silly. There is also no need to approach Russia that way. Russia can be managed, and the risks of hot conflict far outweigh the benefits. N. Korea isn’t a threat right now. They’re like the drunk guy at the bar trying to pick fights with anyone. Loud. Annoying. But, not a real threat.

Iran is not its leadership. That makes it more complex. Their leadership is a problem. Not just at the very top either. The vast majority of its people are not our enemies. Regime change there needs to be organic and probably will be. We need to stay out of the way for the most part and let them handle themselves. That said, they shouldn’t be allowed nuclear weapons. Deal with that problem. For now.
 

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well there were no wars started during the first 4 years of Trump dealing with Putin. It is funny how people bash Trump but Obama was also one that felt the US needed to be able to negotiate and keep Putin on a leash

And you cannot set aside the last administration b/c they had a chance to negotiate and not allow this to get to where it is at

I'll take Trump in a man v/s man conversation 100X over Biden. That dude had dementia and him, nor his VP, could speak without a teleprompter. Brain v/s Brain? Biden was mocked for years by the Democratic party...they put him and Kamala in office to be just that...the parties puppets. There is a reason the Democratic party has the lowest approval rating in history right now. They could have negotiated and kept all this from getting started

Look what Trump did with the North Korea/South Korea situation and tell me he cannot negotiate. Everyone thought he was going to create WW3 because he did not back down...what happened? No wars started under his watch...he went toe to toe with Kim. What makes you think he can't go toe to toe with the leaders in this situation like Putin and Hamas?

They know Trump is not going to back down. And they know that they don't want the wrath of the U.S. And he is not negotiating a deal on the back end for him.
Trump vs Putin They are the ones sitting at the table. Biden is irrelevant to current events as is Kamala or Obama/

Let me reframe the question. What is people's assessment of Putin? Guy has outlasted Bush, Obama, Trump 1 and Biden. That is a lot of experience on the table. He has also survived domestic terrorism, out foxed quite a few European and Asian allies. Man does not hold on to power that long because he is an idiot or puppet.

The US has lots of leverage. How will the US use it? How will Putin counter? I am way more interested in those questions than debating the iq, character, or approval ratings of people no longer in power.
 

nmerritt11

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Trump vs Putin They are the ones sitting at the table. Biden is irrelevant to current events as is Kamala or Obama/

Let me reframe the question. What is people's assessment of Putin? Guy has outlasted Bush, Obama, Trump 1 and Biden. That is a lot of experience on the table. He has also survived domestic terrorism, out foxed quite a few European and Asian allies. Man does not hold on to power that long because he is an idiot or puppet.

The US has lots of leverage. How will the US use it? How will Putin counter? I am way more interested in those questions than debating the iq, character, or approval ratings of people no longer in power.

Trump handled Putin quite well in his first term. And of course he outlasted those guys because there are no term limits in Russia. Trump is not scared of Putin...Putin respects Trump and that makes people think Trump is his puppet. No...Trump just is not going to play his games. So yeah...I feel pretty good about Trump being in the situation to deal with Putin

Unless Putin decides to nuke the US he really has nothing over Trump at a negotiation table
 

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Do you mean if Hamas put down their guns?

Palestinians still need a place to live. Apartheid has been proven to be a failed system, especially if the Palestinians do outnumber the Jews. Algeria, French-Indo China, South Africa immediately comes to mind. Is Israel not just another example of "colonial" rule? Or do Jews get a pass because they have some historical claim to the area? The situation might be brightline to some but not to others.
“… SOME historical claim to the area” is just a hilarious comment.
 

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I have a question that some of you are far more qualified to answer than anyone else I know. If we were to go after the nuclear facilities, do you think that we would also target Iranian leadership ? Would that be a move "too far", or would it be a benefit to preventing further escalation ?
I don’t think we will do anything other than provide munitions. Someone else in the Middle East will conduct the strike. The someone else has the ability to target and deliver the munitions themselves.
I don’t think they’ll go after the leadership, but I do think with the nuclear capability neutralized and sanctions going back in place, leadership change is something that could occur.
 

tboonpickens

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Calling Trump anyone's puppet after the last administration is absolutely hilarious
lol dude you really are in a cult. wake tf up man. it's embarrassing as an American.

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At a news conference after the summit, President Trump was asked if he believed his own intelligence agencies or the Russian president when it came to the allegations of meddling in the elections.
"President Putin says it's not Russia. I don't see any reason why it would be," he replied.

US intelligence agencies concluded in 2016 that Russia was behind an effort to tip the scale of the US election against Hillary Clinton, with a state-authorised campaign of cyber attacks and fake news stories planted on social media.

What has US reaction been?​

In a strongly-worded statement, US House Speaker (R) Paul Ryan said Mr Trump "must appreciate that Russia is not our ally".
"There is no moral equivalence between the United States and Russia, which remains hostile to our most basic values and ideals," he said, adding that there was "no question" Moscow had interfered in the 2016 election.

Senior Republican Senator John McCain said it was a "disgraceful performance" by a US president.
"No prior president has ever abased himself more abjectly before a tyrant," Mr McCain said in a statement.

Another senior Republican, Senator Lindsey Graham, who is a member of the Senate Armed Services Committee, tweeted that it was a "missed opportunity... to firmly hold Russia accountable for 2016 meddling".
 
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lol dude you really are in a cult. wake tf up man. it's embarrassing as an American.

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At a news conference after the summit, President Trump was asked if he believed his own intelligence agencies or the Russian president when it came to the allegations of meddling in the elections.
"President Putin says it's not Russia. I don't see any reason why it would be," he replied.

US intelligence agencies concluded in 2016 that Russia was behind an effort to tip the scale of the US election against Hillary Clinton, with a state-authorised campaign of cyber attacks and fake news stories planted on social media.

What has US reaction been?​

In a strongly-worded statement, US House Speaker (R) Paul Ryan said Mr Trump "must appreciate that Russia is not our ally".
"There is no moral equivalence between the United States and Russia, which remains hostile to our most basic values and ideals," he said, adding that there was "no question" Moscow had interfered in the 2016 election.

Senior Republican Senator John McCain said it was a "disgraceful performance" by a US president.
"No prior president has ever abased himself more abjectly before a tyrant," Mr McCain said in a statement.

Another senior Republican, Senator Lindsey Graham, who is a member of the Senate Armed Services Committee, tweeted that it was a "missed opportunity... to firmly hold Russia accountable for 2016 meddling".

hahaha cult...that is freaking hilarious coming from someone who supports a party that has had the same members running it for years over years that their party blindly followed while they got rich of the government. There is a reason the Democratic Party is crashing and burning.

Stick with making videos.

At least now we have a POTUS who comes out of his room and actually addresses the country after 4 years of an absentee one. Sorry dude...anyone who defends the last 4 years has their head in the sand. I don't care what party won...but someone needed to be a leader. Biden/Kamala were the puppets of the life long politicians who have somehow gotten rich and are now pissed they have no one to control
 

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Ahh yes, the warmonger rears his head. Please explain how you see the US doing that without Russia pushing that big red nuclear button.

I really think outside of sabre rattling, they won't do anything here. Outside of that, you are correct.

The previous Soviet Union had no War scenario against the USA that did not end up devolving into nuclear war after a max of 10 days. Today's Russia? Putin may have an even itchier trigger finger.

Most of their nukes likely can't leave the silo or mobile carrier, but you don't need more than 1-2 to inflict devastating harm.

Also, their TU160 Blackjack is severely capable. Mach 2 capable heavy bomber that can lunch multiple nuclear tipped missiles and then get away fast. 7K mile range also.

Conventionally speaking, we would wipe the floor with Russia. They've been downgraded from a peer level adversary. Only China is considered peer level. That being said, nukes are the equalizer and I'll chase diplomacy there as long as it's an option.
 

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hahaha cult...that is freaking hilarious coming from someone who supports a party that has had the same members running it for years over years that their party blindly followed while they got rich of the government. There is a reason the Democratic Party is crashing and burning.

Stick with making videos.

At least now we have a POTUS who comes out of his room and actually addresses the country after 4 years of an absentee one. Sorry dude...anyone who defends the last 4 years has their head in the sand. I don't care what party won...but someone needed to be a leader. Biden/Kamala were the puppets of the life long politicians who have somehow gotten rich and are now pissed they have no one to control
Amen brother.
 

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Iran is not its leadership. That makes it more complex. Their leadership is a problem. Not just at the very top either. The vast majority of its people are not our enemies. Regime change there needs to be organic and probably will be. We need to stay out of the way for the most part and let them handle themselves. That said, they shouldn’t be allowed nuclear weapons. Deal with that problem. For now.

That is my assessment based on limited knowledge. The struggle between the military, the politicians, and the religious leader makes it difficult to negotiate with Iran. Who is in charge or has influence can change very quickly over there even within those three groups. But I could be wrong.
 

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Russia will not cease to exist. To think otherwise is silly. There is also no need to approach Russia that way. Russia can be managed, and the risks of hot conflict far outweigh the benefits. N. Korea isn’t a threat right now. They’re like the drunk guy at the bar trying to pick fights with anyone. Loud. Annoying. But, not a real threat.

Iran is not its leadership. That makes it more complex. Their leadership is a problem. Not just at the very top either. The vast majority of its people are not our enemies. Regime change there needs to be organic and probably will be. We need to stay out of the way for the most part and let them handle themselves. That said, they shouldn’t be allowed nuclear weapons. Deal with that problem. For now.
Russia will attack a nato country at some point. N korea is a threat in that we have to back s korea and would have to liberate an entire country by the time we had adequate boots on the ground…it would be bloody.
 

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Today's Russia? Putin may have an even itchier trigger finger.
This is my concern. Putin is getting older. Health, physical and mental, is rumored to be an issue. Oligarchs are circling. At what point does Putin lose his give a damn? What does that look like? Does he retire to his dacha and await death from "natural causes"? Does he take the money and flee to North Korea? Does he push the button before collapsing into a drunken seizure?

I like to imagine something more akin to the "Death of Stalin". I highly recommend for those that have not seen.




 

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If their goal is ethnic cleansing they are doing a terrible job at it. Their Air Force is good enough that they could kill off most of the population of Gaza and not put troops at risk, yet they put their own troops at risk going house to house. If you’ve ever been involved in urban combat you’d understand it’s the most dangerous and resource intensive combat you can experience.

Not that I have done it

But every person I know who has had to fight in a city street to street and house to house told me it was horrific because the building were littered with all kinds of people and booby traps
 

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hahaha cult...that is freaking hilarious coming from someone who supports a party that has had the same members running it for years over years that their party blindly followed while they got rich of the government. There is a reason the Democratic Party is crashing and burning.

Stick with making videos.

At least now we have a POTUS who comes out of his room and actually addresses the country after 4 years of an absentee one. Sorry dude...anyone who defends the last 4 years has their head in the sand. I don't care what party won...but someone needed to be a leader. Biden/Kamala were the puppets of the life long politicians who have somehow gotten rich and are now pissed they have no one to control
stick to jock sniffing Tonio and getting stuffed in a locker by Lucas.

dude's talking about people using politics to get rich while kissing the *** of a sitting president who literally is selling meme coins to his rubes and setting up media companies that allow for untraceable "investments" to be made in exchange for god knows what.

i guess you traded an absentee president for a shadow president now as we now have a literal foreign born billionaire who is pulling strings with impunity while funneling government contracts worth billions into his own pocket. and of course that's when he's not too busy showing up in states to hand R voters $1M checks onstage in front of the world.

 
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Do not underestimate China's role in anything North Korea decides. China does not want that mess in their backyard.

I see both sides of this. China thinks of things in dynastic periods. They always have and they always will. Yes, there are elements of things like capitalism that influence. Still, dynastic periods. The believe they can wait out any culture and they have proven over thousands of years to be right. They definitely aren't letting N Korea pop off nukes right next door to destabilize that.

Also, I could see Russia attacking the Baltic countries as they've got Kalingrad right there. Anyone else would be foolhardy at best for Russia. Especially in their depleted state. Both human and hardware. Attack Poland? They are getting their ever living asses kicked for instance.
 

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Russia will attack a nato country at some point. N korea is a threat in that we have to back s korea and would have to liberate an entire country by the time we had adequate boots on the ground…it would be bloody.
Neither of those things will happen. Russia can’t win a protracted war with a much smaller neighbor with whom they share a border. They aren’t attacking a NATO country any time soon. If NK attacked S. Korea, it’s existence could be measured in days.
 

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stick to jock sniffing Tonio and getting stuffed in a locker by Lucas.

dude's talking about people using politics to get rich while kissing the *** of a sitting president who literally is selling meme coins to his rubes and setting up media companies that allow for untraceable "investments" to be made in exchange for god knows what.

i guess you traded an absentee president for a shadow president now as we now have a literal foreign born billionaire who is pulling strings with impunity while funneling government contracts worth billions into his own pocket. and of course that's when he's not too busy showing up in states to hand R voters $1M checks onstage in front of the world.


Just a mentally broken, shrieking mess…Take this dumb **** elsewhere.
 

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I wish I had all of the answers. Technology is advancing so rapidly, and weapons are getting so destructive, at some point the "lucky" survivors of war will live in silos. Oh ****, I should sell that to Hollywood.
I like this. Title it Lucky and then show how miserable the survivors are
 

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I really think outside of sabre rattling, they won't do anything here. Outside of that, you are correct.

The previous Soviet Union had no War scenario against the USA that did not end up devolving into nuclear war after a max of 10 days. Today's Russia? Putin may have an even itchier trigger finger.

Most of their nukes likely can't leave the silo or mobile carrier, but you don't need more than 1-2 to inflict devastating harm.

Also, their TU160 Blackjack is severely capable. Mach 2 capable heavy bomber that can lunch multiple nuclear tipped missiles and then get away fast. 7K mile range also.

Conventionally speaking, we would wipe the floor with Russia. They've been downgraded from a peer level adversary. Only China is considered peer level. That being said, nukes are the equalizer and I'll chase diplomacy there as long as it's an option.
Yeah - that’s the problem.

That do have some pretty good subs too. It’s amazing what you can do when you don’t care if you give the entire crew cancer.
 

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Neither of those things will happen. Russia can’t win a protracted war with a much smaller neighbor with whom they share a border. They aren’t attacking a NATO country any time soon. If NK attacked S. Korea, its existence could be measured in days.
Problem is that NK could put some major hurt on Seoul from the mountains on the border supposedly. They supposedly have weapon emplacements there.

But you are right in that SK would demolish NK.
 

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Attempting to invade the United States would arguably be the worst strategic decision in military history. Invading via Alaska would add orders of magnitude of stupid to the already stupid decision.
I mean - does Putin seem particularly smart to you?

You are correct though. The contiguous US isn’t difficult to invade - it’s damn near impossible. Something made me think about this scenario.

About the only way to do it would be to take Mexico or Canada first and launch from there. But we would see that coming a mile away. Plus I honestly think either one would whip Russia’s ***.

Alaska is the closest part and they could reach it via air but all I see coming from that is some Grizzly bears getting a free meal.
 

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We've got 6 B2 bombers at Diego Garcia. 1 more to arrive this week. B52s are also on station there now. Over 10 C17s that are obviously transporting munitions for said bombers. Nearly 10 KC135 tankers. This is NOT a show of force. This is guarantee of force.

By end of week, the USS Carl Vinson will be on station with her Strike Group. The USS Truman has had it's Middle East deployment extended and has been attacking the Houthis in Yemen repeatedly for around a week or so now. A 3rd Strike Group is likely heading that way as well and I would guess it's either the Nimitz (that just departed on her last mission) or the USS Gerald Ford that is in pre-deployment maneuvers in the Western Atlantic. The USS GHWB is also prepping for departure from Norfolk and the USS Lincoln at North Island is prepping for departure. That's a lot of Naval hardware about to be a sea.

Trump's comments that Iran either plays ball or bad things are going to happen is not a bluff. We're gonna continue to hammer the Houthis. The dumbasses actually tried to launch missiles at the Truman Strike Group last week.

Add to it that the Israelis are very wary of Iran's nuclear program. They took out most, if not all air defenses around Iranian Military Critical Infrastructure in their last attack.

Just saying, something to keep close eyes on. This can all be found on the internet if you look. We're not even trying to hide it.
Strong Opsec
 

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Strong Opsec

Most of this was already public. Albeit coming from International news sources. You can't hide a bunch of stuff flying over an ATC hub for instance.

USNI Fleet Tracker also gives fleet views, although they are usually 3-5 days behind. Here's an example from Monday.

 

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I believe those B-2 bombers will be bombing nuclear sites in Iran soon. Israel may help by bringing in fighters and shooting some long range missiles. Iran cannot field a nuclear bomb. That would be bad for the entire planet...:rolleyes:
 
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