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Ha...I have heard that before
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Between Shatel's article and the article in ESPN today...Miles better hope he has a solid year. I'm not sure if it shows up in the win/loss column but his team better show some progress. The development of Jordy will go a long way with that.
 

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Between Shatel's article and the article in ESPN today...Miles better hope he has a solid year. I'm not sure if it shows up in the win/loss column but his team better show some progress. The development of Jordy will go a long way with that.

Sadly...the chances of Jordy helping at all are slim to none. Shoot, top 50 players have a hard time doing a lot in the big Ten...
 

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The next coach should get Jordy developed
I sincerely hope there isn't a next coach. I think Miles has so much going on and has the program pointed in the right direction that I want to see him bring it to fruition. That said, the numbers don't lie, so he needs to show progress this year. Whether that is in the win/loss category or competing against the top brass of the B1G well, I'm not sure - I guess it will come down to the eye test.
 
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I sincerely hope there isn't a next coach. I think Miles has so much going on and has the program pointed in the right direction that I want to see him bring it to fruition. That said, the numbers don't lie, so he needs to show progress this year. Whether that is in the win/loss category or competing against the top brass of the B1G well, I'm not sure - I guess it will come down to the eye test.
See… I don't think it is so much about competing against the top Big Ten teams… I think for miles the important part is beating the bottom 6 to 8 teams. If you do that you put yourself in a good position.
 

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See… I don't think it is so much about competing against the top Big Ten teams… I think for miles the important part is beating the bottom 6 to 8 teams. If you do that you put yourself in a good position.
Yup, beat those you are supposed to beat and a couple you aren't is a good way to show progress
 

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Jacobson is going to be very good
Sounds to me Jacobson and Morrow have matured physically. If you add in
Jacobson is going to be very good
If they can get 15 minutes a game out of Jody plus the physical maturity of Jacobsen and Morrow, the inside could be improved. I thought McVay played well well Shields was sidelined. A lot of freshmen got BIG 10 experience last year. Might surprise a few people.
 
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Sounds to me Jacobson and Morrow have matured physically..

Which is great, they could both be good players. But the problem is they are constantly played out of position. Both are prototypical 4-men in an offense that doesn't utilize them. So they get to basically battle eachother to be the undersized post player.
 

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I sincerely hope there isn't a next coach. I think Miles has so much going on and has the program pointed in the right direction that I want to see him bring it to fruition. That said, the numbers don't lie, so he needs to show progress this year. Whether that is in the win/loss category or competing against the top brass of the B1G well, I'm not sure - I guess it will come down to the eye test.

What do you see here? What does he have going on and how is the program pointed in the right direction? I was a big fan of the Miles hire, but I'm having a hard time seeing the progress here.
 
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In the Big 10 or overall?

Sac State, University of Mary (all-girls school?), South Dakota, Gardner Webb, and Southern on the schedule should help the win column overall.

.500 in conference this year I'd be estatic.
 

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In the Big 10 or overall?

Sac State, University of Mary (all-girls school?), South Dakota, Gardner Webb, and Southern on the schedule should help the win column overall.


Overall

Those games look like wins but I remember games against Samford, Incarnate Word, the 2014 Creighton team that was as bad a Creighton team in recent memory and Kent St. that were also games that should have been wins.
 

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What do you see here? What does he have going on and how is the program pointed in the right direction? I was a big fan of the Miles hire, but I'm having a hard time seeing the progress here.

We would be crazy to make a move in the next 2 years. There's a LOT more talent than this team had before Miles. They looked like a damn high school team when I watched them.

Let the past two classes grow up.
 

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Heck a lot better than average, he has a really good shot as well as range. He's tough, rebounds well, runs the floor well I love the kid.
Can't creat his own shot...can't defend the three and will always struggle with true fours. Average
 

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Can't creat his own shot...can't defend the three and will always struggle with true fours. Average
How often is he going to be out defending the three? He's alex one year. And will always struggle with true fours my ***. Enjoy your day.
 

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Nebraska has top tier basketball facilities. The basketball program has no tradition. Very few NCAA births, zero wins in the NCAA tournament. Zero. We are in select company. The conference is top notch. To finish in the top three, would be a great regular season. The post season is the real barometer. If Miles can't improve NU in men's basketball, I doubt we could get a difference maker head coach to take the job. He would either be a man on his downward trend in his career or an up and coming head coach who would leave NU for the dozens of better head coaching gigs out there. I would love to be proved wrong here. So Go Big Red and Tim Miles too.
 

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Anyone who thinks miles should be fired before end of next year for any reason doesn't understand what he has built so far -- at all. They also don't understand the significance of having three true freshman as major contributors who had relatively good stats against B1G competition.

Compare mcveigh to andrew white as freshman. Trust me mcveigh wins hands down as a 3pt threat.

Personally I think we will see 16-17 wins. 18 if they catch a break. That's more than good enough to see our players take another step forward (3-4 more next year with age alone). It isnt an ncaa team -yet- but NIT? With this many freshman and sophomores? Not bad.

If he makes the ncaas this year we should have a bloody statue prepared because miles will be here a long long time.
 

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Anyone who thinks miles should be fired before end of next year for any reason doesn't understand what he has built so far -- at all. They also don't understand the significance of having three true freshman as major contributors who had relatively good stats against B1G competition.

Compare mcveigh to andrew white as freshman. Trust me mcveigh wins hands down as a 3pt threat.

Personally I think we will see 16-17 wins. 18 if they catch a break. That's more than good enough to see our players take another step forward (3-4 more next year with age alone). It isnt an ncaa team -yet- but NIT? With this many freshman and sophomores? Not bad.

If he makes the ncaas this year we should have a bloody statue prepared because miles will be here a long long time.
"But, being a young team is a dumb excuse in basketball."

Which is true, if you are getting the one and done talent of the blue bloods, but not a team like Nebraska.

So I agree, a team like Nebraska has to build..top 150 basketball players are like top 400 football players, many have a great ceiling, but they are not ready to go their first year.

Miles has his issues in game day coaching sometimes, but he has finally brought in a serviceable big man, continues to bring in decent assistant coaches, and still has Nebraskas talent overall on an upswing.
 

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17-14 (6-10)
20-13 (7-9) NIT
18-13 (8-8) NIT
15-18 (2-14)
19-13 (7-9) NIT
12-18 (4-14)

101-89 .532 (34-64) .347
3 post season appearances with a run down Devaney Center, no $300 mil arenas and practice facilities, gets you fired.

15-18 (5-13)
19-13 (11-7) NCAA
13-18 (5-13)
16-18 (6-12)

63-67 .485 (27-45) .375 with a brand new arena and a practice facility 1 NCAA appearance and people continue to make excuses for you.
 
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17-14 (6-10)
20-13 (7-9) NIT
18-13 (8-8) NIT
15-18 (2-14)
19-13 (7-9) NIT
12-18 (4-14)

101-89 .532 (34-64) .347
3 post season appearances with a run down Devaney Center, no $300 mil arenas and practice facilities, gets you fired.

15-18 (5-13)
19-13 (11-7) NCAA
13-18 (5-13)
16-18 (6-12)

63-67 .485 (27-45) .375 with a brand new arena and a practice facility 1 NCAA appearance and people continue to make excuses for you.

Has nothing to do with excuses. It has to do with understanding just how bad things really were and seeing the talent recruited moving forward.

It is night and bloody day and anyone who can't understand that it was a six or seven year process when he was hired to get to a stage where we could be consistent is full of it. You don't turn around dumpster fires in three years. We got lucky with a run in year two.

If we hadn't gotten jordy I would probably be saying different things. We did. We now finally have real talent. 2 years and we will see. I think we will be pleased ... so long as the people who understand what tim has faced remain in control.
 
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Has nothing to do with excuses. It has to do with understanding just how bad things really were and seeing the talent recruited moving forward.

It is night and bloody day and anyone who can't understand that it was a six or seven year process when he was hired to get to a stage where we could be consistent is full of it. You don't turn around dumpster fires in three years. We got lucky with a run in year two.

If we hadn't gotten jordy I would probably be saying different things. We did. We now finally have real talent. 2 years and we will see. I think we will be pleased ... so long as the people who understand what tim has faced remain in control.

So how many of Miles' recruits have been misses? Or have transferred out? Just off the top of my head I am guessing 50% maybe more. He is entering year 5 and outside of a 10 game stretch in year 2, this guy is winning about 44% of his games. There is little to no player development. The coaching staff seems to have as much turnover as the roster. So now a raw 6'11" three star player, who will play about 10-15 minutes per game this season, is now the savior of the Miles regime.

Call me cynical, but I am not buying. In year 5 of the tenure Fuller and Webster are the only players that aren't sophomores or younger that were not transfers in.

I am glad you have faith in Miles but I see nothing that shows me the future will be any different than the past.
 

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Anyone who thinks miles should be fired before end of next year for any reason doesn't understand what he has built so far -- at all. They also don't understand the significance of having three true freshman as major contributors who had relatively good stats against B1G competition.

Compare mcveigh to andrew white as freshman. Trust me mcveigh wins hands down as a 3pt threat.

Personally I think we will see 16-17 wins. 18 if they catch a break. That's more than good enough to see our players take another step forward (3-4 more next year with age alone). It isnt an ncaa team -yet- but NIT? With this many freshman and sophomores? Not bad.

If he makes the ncaas this year we should have a bloody statue prepared because miles will be here a long long time.
I want him gone if they don't win at least 20 games this year as this is his 5th season and the roster is all his players. Top facilities, top fan support/game atmosphere, top rated conference and an athletic department that will spend the money he needs to succeed. I think his salary is in the Top 20 for College coaches, and really not that far behind some big names like Roy Williams, and way more than many coaches that are regularly in the NCAA Tournament. I think his salary is about double of Creighton's Coach McDermott. Who by the way has better success on the court and has had no problem filling his roster annually with 2-3 true post players who are 6-9+. Outside of Legacy Recruits and Transfers, what player has been the most successful for Miles on the court? Has he really helped develop any players? How many years have we had open unused scholarships? Why the lack of true post players?

His best players have been transfers (Petteway, Pitchfork, White, and a Legacy(Shields). All of the transfers had their fair share of drama that was detrimental to the team. And how many players have transferred out?

Overall Record 63–67 (.485)
Conference Record 27–45 (.375)

This is the Show-Me year for Miles in my opinion. If the team isn't competitive in our conference after 5 years then I think we need to look at a new coach. He is not earning his Top 20 salary. Maybe his Small Ball style of play works in the MAC but in the B1G it has not worked after 4 years. I hope year 5 is different and we succeed on the court because I love the positive energy Miles brings to program but he needs to win some more games to match that large salary, and the on-court success we are hoping for.
 

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All I Will say is I'm glad you guys aren't making decisions. I don't see how you can say 'it is year five he should win 20' when it was a 6-7 year fix. We made dumpster fires look appealing ecen with the new facilities.
 

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All I Will say is I'm glad you guys aren't making decisions. I don't see how you can say 'it is year five he should win 20' when it was a 6-7 year fix. We made dumpster fires look appealing ecen with the new facilities.


Who gets to define how long of a fix it is? Why 6 or 7 years? it didn't take him 6 or 7 anywhere else. Why can't I hold him accountable for recruiting, developing and retaining players? Why can't I expect some evidence of progress heading into year 5? Why should I expect both Watson and Morrow to be there after this season? History shows about half the players will transfer out. Why should I expect Gill to be any different than the other incoming transfers?

I can appreciate that you want to be optimistic, but basketball is a sport where you don't have to have 15-20 great players to win. You can win with 3-5 good to great players.

I am glad it isn't my millions you are so willing to hand over to Miles for the below average product he is putting on the court.
 

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All I Will say is I'm glad you guys aren't making decisions. I don't see how you can say 'it is year five he should win 20' when it was a 6-7 year fix. We made dumpster fires look appealing ecen with the new facilities.

6-7 year fix is a very arbitrary number. We were a NCAA tourney team in year 2(Miles gets all the credit for that)....and a complete disaster in year 3 with much of the same personnel. I don't think Miles can afford another losing season. I don't think that gets him fired at this point...but, it seems as if we the staff is having a tougher time on the recruiting trail this year...likely due to what some perceive as a program that is still at a stand still. Miles needs a solid year to regain some momentum. I don't think he should be fired after this year unless its a complete disaster on and off the court...but, it would not surprise me to see Eichorst wanting his own guy in Lincoln.
 

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Well...why don't we take a look just in conference.

What teams should Nebraska beat in the Big Ten?