PAC 12……

[scarknight90]

Think you are unfortunately correct on this . The 4 teams added bring history, fans and quality to the conference. The level of these teams , talent and $$$$ is what makes them equal to those 4-5 teams already in the B1G. We have now entered a place where most Rutgers fans never thought possible. In the future ,I think like many others do , there will be another split off of those underfunded programs. Not sure this bodes well here in NJ ?

I wouldn’t be surprised if that split occurs. But if it does, I’d be interested to see how successful a super league would be. I don’t think it’s a slam dunk.

Fans care about CFB because they have skin in the game through a (relatively) local team or alma mater. If RU got left out, I wouldn’t keep watching UofM vs OSU or Wash vs USC every year. Why would I care? If I’m going to watch teams that I have no personal connection to, I’d just watch the NFL, where the quality of football is superior.

I don’t think I’m alone in that. As a result idk if viewership would make a college “super league” that improved to what there is now.

We need to step up, because a competitive NYC area team in the B1G could be real special. If not, and we get kicked out, then we’ll probably go back to some version of the Big East with the other leftovers. That’d be fine too.

 

[MADHAT1]

UCLA, USC ,Washington and Oregon will add value
But we can't discount Wisconsin, Iowa and MSU when talking about worthy opponents
Psu, OSU and Michigan are the elites, but those other three might prove
tough for the west coasties to beat on a regular bases.

Nebraska under Rhule might make it 4 more not to underestimate and the difference from the PAC opponents to B1G boys, even the middle of class, might have the westies not looking so invincible.

But I do feel the west coast additions will be proving to be ready for prime time from their first game on..
Washington and Oregon might not be the powerhouses they were in the PAC if playing in the B1G doesn't get the recruits to come like they did as PAC programs

 

[Mr_Twister]

Additional teams to the Big Ten allows the league the option to organize “regional” pods driven primarily by football and traditional rivalries and more reasonable travel considerations for many sports.

 

[RUBOB72]

as someone else pointed out, we are talking about football only. I see them on the same tier as Wisconsin, Iowa, Nebraska, Michigan State (though they have fallen a lot the last few years).

You can’t only limit it to football… it is a total sports conference… in major men’s and women’s sports those recently added schools have pretty outstanding history. USC and Washington are pre season top 10…

 

[zappaa]

You said all 4 teams invited by the BIG in your post!

You are correct Sup, my bad.
I think Oregon, USC and Washington will compete with our B1G 3.
Going out on a limb saying UCLA will play with our 2nd level immediately.

 

[RuSnp]

You are correct Sup, my bad.
I think Oregon, USC and Washington will compete with our B1G 3.
Going out on a limb saying UCLA will play with our 2nd level immediately.

Yeah that's definitely fair. And so there's no confusion I'm thrilled ucla is in the same club as us. Just giving OSU and Mich their proper due.

 

[greenknight]

People are keeping an eye out for the QB play in the PAC this year. Something the B10 lacks for the most part. Caleb Williams, Penix Jr, DJU, Bo Nix...some solid to very good offense in the PAC as well.

You might not think it because Whittingham is a tough hard nosed defensive coach but Utah was ranked 22 and 40 in YPG in their Rose Bowl years and 23 and 22 in YPP. They were 11 and 14 in scoring offense.

Like I've said often here, productive offense is imperative to outperform your status on the landscape.

PAC huge advantage the best QB's come out of CA. The biggest bust non-factor QB's NJ

 

[greenknight]

You are correct Sup, my bad.
I think Oregon, USC and Washington will compete with our B1G 3.
Going out on a limb saying UCLA will play with our 2nd level immediately.

Personally think too many elite teams in the same conference will ultimately not play out well for the conference. I could honestly see in the future a B1G & a Little 1G. The B1G eligible for the elite Bowls & Championshio Bowl series the Little 1G 2nd tier Bowl and payscale separating the 2 until schools get disenchanted and split from super conferences

 

[RU Husky]

Today was Exhibit A to Zap’s argument. PAC 12 features explosive offenses with gazillion skill position players. Big 10 wears you down and bores you to death. PAC 12 is hip hop. Big 10 is very heavy metal.

 

[Arizona Knight]

Same as us and Indiana
Stanford Arizona and ASU would whip
Purdue, Nebby and Minny

I’m a big fan of PAC 12 football since my AZ days. That’s how I spend many late Saturday nights. The top of the PAC is fantastic. Utah, Oregon, USC, Colorado, and Washington are fantastic. But the next level with U of A and ASU etc I need to see more.

 

[PSAL_Hoops]

Think you are unfortunately correct on this . The 4 teams added bring history, fans and quality to the conference. The level of these teams , talent and $$$$ is what makes them equal to those 4-5 teams already in the B1G. We have now entered a place where most Rutgers fans never thought possible. In the future ,I think like many others do , there will be another split off of those underfunded programs. Not sure this bodes well here in NJ ?

I think the move to add these teams was a defensive move for the blue blood teams to avoid having to join a split off later. While spread out, the new BIG schools are culturally similar to the other BIG schools (or at least far more so than they would be with the SEC teams.) That’s important because the way a blue blood split off would happen you’d have to have the OSU and Michigans decide to join a new league formed by Alabama and company. But the only way that would ever happen is if OSU and Michigan felt that Alabama’s league was going to be viewed as the premiere league and they’d be left in the dust if the didn’t join it. And I don’t think the SEC has enough left to poach to spin off and be viewed that way unless maybe if ND joined them.

Conferences won’t be shrinking and nobody is comparing Rutgers to Arizona State and deciding to swap them. The bottom half of these conferences is comparatively irrelevant.

 

[LotusAggressor_rivals]

Big 10 in football has always been about the 3 big bad schools. At times you have Wisconsin, Sparty and Iowa being good. Then there’s a big drop off in talent.

PAC has 5-6 really good schools this year as well in football - 4 who are joining Big 10 next year.

Conferences are at par with each other in football

Overall including basketball - the big 10 conference needs to recruit better athletes. It always appears to me that the conference lacks some “it” factor causing continued embarrassments in March Madness and losing in football playoffs every year since 15 or 16 or thereabouts.

The problems the B1G has had in March Madness have more to do with coaching shortcomings than a lack of athletes. St. Peters and FDU didn't have better athletes than Purdue. Loyola of Chicago didn't have better athletes than Illinois. In the football playoffs, OSU was every bit as athletic as Georgia.

 

[RUTGERS95]

I wouldn’t be surprised if that split occurs. But if it does, I’d be interested to see how successful a super league would be. I don’t think it’s a slam dunk.

Fans care about CFB because they have skin in the game through a (relatively) local team or alma mater. If RU got left out, I wouldn’t keep watching UofM vs OSU or Wash vs USC every year. Why would I care? If I’m going to watch teams that I have no personal connection to, I’d just watch the NFL, where the quality of football is superior.

I don’t think I’m alone in that. As a result idk if viewership would make a college “super league” that improved to what there is now.

We need to step up, because a competitive NYC area team in the B1G could be real special. If not, and we get kicked out, then we’ll probably go back to some version of the Big East with the other leftovers. That’d be fine too.

agree
the administration and BOT need to get together and devise a plan/vision and road map to make RU football successful. Football drives a lot of things that are good for the university

of course it helps if the BOT were all RU grads

 

[Joey Bags]

Initial success of our new west coast friends is not guaranteed. They are not built like big 10 programs even if they have more skill players. The Big 10 grind will wear them down physically.

 

[cicero grimes]

Oregon, Washington will be right there with our B1G three, it’s a joke you would consider them average in our league.
USC will vie for Natty this year

Zap I am going to respectfully disagree with you on Oregon and UW at least initially. So much of the B1G is line play and depth. No one disputes those teams have athletes but I don' think they will be vying for conf championships immediately. I remember how Jim Harbaugh played Oregon when he was at Stanford, a fistfight in a phone booth. Now multiply that by 9 as every team in this league relies on line play and you cannot be competitive week in and week out without big lines and depth. Speed and skill can take you far and you can win any game with it, but facing B1G lines week in and week out which they do not do right now will take their toll.

 

[tomatocan]

If the Pac 12 was so "great" why is it so " gone".

Easy answer. Its former commissioner negotiated the worst television revenue contract ever.

 

[tomatocan]

Zap I am going to respectfully disagree with you on Oregon and UW at least initially. So much of the B1G is line play and depth. No one disputes those teams have athletes but I don' think they will be vying for conf championships immediately. I remember how Jim Harbaugh played Oregon when he was at Stanford, a fistfight in a phone booth. Now multiply that by 9 as every team in this league relies on line play and you cannot be competitive week in and week out without big lines and depth. Speed and skill can take you far and you can win any game with it, but facing B1G lines week in and week out which they do not do right now will take their toll.

The history of the Rose Bowl is filled with an awful lot of games in which the big boys from UM and OSU and their big linemen got beaten by "smaller" PAC10/12 teams that had way too much speed.

 

[Jerseylegends]

Easy answer. Its former commissioner negotiated the worst television revenue contract ever.

At the top, the Pac 12 had some of the most exciting teams to watch. Unfortunately having a conference where all of the teams are on a western standard time does not attract the best tv deals...if all of your conference games are starting at 7 and 10 pm Eastern time it limits your viewership.

 

[Steve91562]

In my opinion the PAC 12 is far superior to the B1G top to bottom.
All 4 teams the BIG invited will play at the level of our 3 elite teams.
The teams they leave behind especially Utah would beat all the 2nd level teams in the BIG.

And that's why they were invited. Conference expansion has always been about money, but how that money is generated has changed somewhat over time. It went from focusing on cable boxes --> iconic brands ---> playoff contenders. I don't think anyone is getting into the P2 these days unless they are a playoff contender, and that really does limit the available programs.

Really just highlights again how fortunate for RU to make it into the P2 when it did.

 

[cicero grimes]

Oregon, Washington will be right there with our B1G three, it’s a joke you would consider them average in our league.
USC will vie for Natty this year

Zap I am going to respectfully disagree with you on Oregon and UW at least initially. So much of the B1G is line play and depth. No one disputes those teams have athletes but I don' think they will be vying for conf championships immediately. I remember how Jim Harbaugh played Oregon when he was at Stanford, a fistfight in a phone booth. Now multiply that by 9 as every team in this league relies on line play and you cannot be competitive week in and week out without big lines and depth. Speed and skill can take you far and you can win any game with it, but facing B1G lines week in and week out which they do not do right now will take their toll.

The history of the Rose Bowl is filled with an awful lot of games in which the big boys from UM and OSU and their big linemen got beaten by "smaller" PAC10/12 teams that had way too much speed.

Again if you read my post I am not suggesting that they cannot beat any b1g team on any Saturday. My premise is that a 9 game b1g schedule where physical line play and depth is going to grind them down. The good news is we won't have long to wait to find out if this premise is correct.

 

[Mr. Magoo1]

UCLA, USC ,Washington and Oregon will add value
But we can't discount Wisconsin, Iowa and MSU when talking about worthy opponents
Psu, OSU and Michigan are the elites, but those other three might prove
tough for the west coasties to beat on a regular bases.

Nebraska under Rhule might make it 4 more not to underestimate and the difference from the PAC opponents to B1G boys, even the middle of class, might have the westies not looking so invincible.

But I do feel the west coast additions will be proving to be ready for prime time from their first game on..
Washington and Oregon might not be the powerhouses they were in the PAC if playing in the B1G doesn't get the recruits to come like they did as PAC programs

The best thing the PAC 12 teams bring is offense from this century…which should make for some entertaining games.

 

[Doctor Worm]

R.I.P. PAC-12
who knows, maybe a new conference rises from the ashes of all this?
GO RU !! kick the purple out of NW

While the PAC-12 as we know it is dead, I think the brand will survive. There are several possibilities:

1) PAC-2 merges with Mountain West and they agree to retain the PAC-12 legal entity and branding. Especially since the PAC-12 will be receiving residual NCAA income for a few years. MWC hopes that using this gambit they will inherit the PAC-12's P5 status. MWC commissioner has stated that the entire MWC must be included and no one is left behind.

2) PAC-2 looks to poach the most desirable programs from MWC and AAC. The problem here is that those programs would have to pay exit fees, which could be prohibitive, given the low media revenue streams.

3) PAC-2 go independent for two years while they figure things out - but they retain the PAC-12 brand and legal entity. This would be possible because, while the minimum number of schools needed in a conference is eight, the NCAA allows a two year grace period to get to eight. However, putting together an independent schedule for 2024 would be difficult to say the least.

I think Option 1 is more likely than not. The PAC-12 logo will grace the gridirons in Pullman and Corvallis, as well as Boise, San Diego, Colorado Springs, etc.

 

[RUTGERS95]

Easy answer. Its former commissioner negotiated the worst television revenue contract ever.

Led by academics

 

[LotusAggressor_rivals]

The history of the Rose Bowl is filled with an awful lot of games in which the big boys from UM and OSU and their big linemen got beaten by "smaller" PAC10/12 teams that had way too much speed.

Those USC teams of the 60s, 70s, and 80s had speed AND massive, skilled offensive lines. The Pac 10/12 teams won an awful lot of matchups against the Big 10 over the decades.