Brutal call on Budd at the end. But they should’ve played this way all season and we wouldn’t be desperate like we are.
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If you compare the talent level there is no way the Hall had a shot Also, you have to tip your\r hat to Karaban.;he was outstanding.
And four wins by five points or fewer. Those four wins don't include the games at Marquette and Georgetown either, which most objective observers will say they probably should have lost. But they didn't, and it works both ways. That's why they're a .500 team in a mediocre conference. The record is what it is for a reason.
Good teams find ways to win games, bad teams find ways to lose them. Theres a lot of bad teams. We’ve found ways to lose to SJU and UConn while X, Marquette and Georgetown have found ways to lose to us.
Absolutely. Nature of the style of play over 18 games with thin margins and extremes. Could be 12-6, could be 6-12.
But as a SHU fan first, analyst second, man oh man, were we close to winning some of these big games. The two games with Connecticut were within 1 point with less than minute to play.
You want the positives of yesterday, we got our second quad 1 win yesterday
I noted in preseason. although it's obvious, your season, good or bad will be dictated by the close games.
This year we won some and lost some.
I do not understand how you can call yourself a Seton Hall fan. Every single post you make about the team you supposedly root for shades toward the negative. You never have a good thing to say about the Pirates And after a win you disappear and after a loss you're all over the board. You show absolutely no balance in anything you say.
You have gone from a former credible poster to what SPK called a TROLL.
Just stating facts. Sorry you don't like them. This board skews overwhelmingly positive, so a reality check for many on here (especially you!) is often necessary.
Take your cheap shots elsewhere. It says a lot about you. Others on this thread can have a normal discussion about what I (and Piratz) posted. You on the other hand get angry and emotional (a pattern over decades on here) and can't control yourself, leading to a personal attack on me. You've never respected me and have had it out for me for many years. Whatever floats your boat, but again, it says a lot about your character, or lack of it.
This pattern has played out with other posters. You turned on @General_Tso and @shupat08 simply because they disagree with your viewpoints. You've done the same with me and a few others. But those two stand out in particular. Pretty sad, but again, that says more about you than any of us.
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To answer your first point, it's difficult to be a Seton Hall fan under this regime. The coach runs an awful, unsightly style of play. He constantly complains about others (schedule makers, officials, fans, etc.) instead of addressing his own shortcomings. The players have no connection to Seton Hall or the fans. They will get up and move on after a year or two after lining their own pockets by milking the gullible fans.
This isn't the sport or the Seton Hall basketball we all fell in love with years ago. This is a grift - minor league professional basketball with mercenary players and constant turnover. Not true blue Seton Hall men. You know this too, but you (and others) keep trying to prop up the charade.
Please just make good on your years of promises and stop watching.
I may very well do that after this season.
All that being said, SHU is one win away from 20 victories, 4th place in Big East and a first round bye in the conference tournament. Most would have signed up for that 11/1/25 considering we were pick last in the league.
You are correct, but most didn't anticipate the conference being this poor overall. This is a big reason why Seton Hall will be on the outside looking in when it comes to the NCAA's.
100% I would have signed in blood.
The issue is people are all doom and gloom OR see the glass as completely full when it's only half full. Our record is incredible compared to what we thought it would be. The position in the standings is unbelievable, no doubt about it. Now let's hit the other side. If you told me the conference would have 7 teams that are not more than 2 games over .500 on the year and potentially 6 teams under .500 at the end the regular season, I'd ask if we moved to the MAAC or America East. We overachieved in a league that is 25% as good as we thought it would be. I think that is as fair an evaluation as I can give. If the league was half as good as we thought it would be we probably wouldn't have the record or the position in the standings we have. I would have signed in blood for the record and position in standings, but I never would have expected it be under these terrible circumstances of the big east being BAD.
Agree with everything you said. It still surprises me a former pg who could score has such unimaginative offenses year in year out.
And when I suggest the AD/school push him to hire someone to run the offense people reply (with truth) there’s no way that’s going to happen.
The annoying part of Shaheen is that he could be a really good HC if he put his ego aside and just let someone else run the offense. Be the CEO and run the defense.
It's perspective:
1) Compared to last season, it's a huge success.
2) Compared to all of minor league basketball, it's decent overall but only 1 good win and that win was not as good as it it now then when the game was actually played, although that means little in the eyes of the NET. Currently 109 teams have 19 or more wins.
3) Compared to being 14-2 and then going 5-8 in a down Big East, it's been bad.
Funny that you chose just 2 posters just like you to prove your point. Especially since I have been monitoring the board for 21 years
Balance is the key. I have absolutely no issues with those that skew negative as long as it's not 100%. And FWIW, in the case above I agree with you and posted something similar before I saw your post.
But once again after a well played game by the Pirates you have nothing good to say, which is par for the course. Don't like being called a troll, then stop acting like one!
Nuance. Anyone would have signed up for the season we just had, before it began. Even “Carry the Water” Carino probably wouldn’t have had us with this many Ws. As a fan, it’s obviously much better to have had this than last year. The overall record needs to be judged from the standpoint of the OOC, post-OOC and BE as a whole. There is where the frustration mostly lies, on top of the reality that we are staring down finishing year 4 of Sha without an NCAA berth, when we lived there the prior half a decade.
interestingly, I do think we can actually make a run in the BE tourney. Gtown just lost KJ Lewis. Nova may have lost Hodge last night. Providence has guys out with injuries. Getting to semis is probably as easy a path as it’s ever been. And it’s hard to win back to back BE tourney titles, so that will be a statistical factor SJU lives with. The problem is I think UCONN desperately wants to win both titles this year since Pitino took both last. And I don’t see them being stopped in that quest.
interestingly, I do think we can actually make a run in the BE tourney. Gtown just lost KJ Lewis. Nova may have lost Hodge last night. Providence has guys out with injuries. Getting to semis is probably as easy a path as it’s ever been. And it’s hard to win back to back BE tourney titles, so that will be a statistical factor SJU lives with. The problem is I think UCONN desperately wants to win both titles this year since Pitino took both last. And I don’t see them being stopped in that quest.
They shot exceeding well from 3 an anomaly on the season and still lost cause maybe their half court defense isn't as great as it's billed to be. Anyone really expected going to a top 10 team campus court and get a ref neutral game?
9/18 was big for us but they were open and within the offense. Week off likely helped. We’ve had many do more damage than that against us. But absolutely a much needed improvement after 1/16 last time and coming off 0/18 in last game.
They’re still at .311 for the year so let’s hope more stat correction coming back to the mean!
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Be awfully tough for Seton Hall to beat either UCONN or St. John's at MSG in the semi's should Seton Hall win a game in the BET.
Your whole premise is based on a probable that will never be proved. Maybe we still won as many games reagardless of how good you thought the BE is. Maybe the ref vs usc gets it right, maybe fouls yesterday are called more evenly. But, WGAS on what might have been, the season has occured, and we won a helluva lot more than we lost. It is a definate that we were picked to suck (worst team of all P5s?) and we didnt suck based on the one important thing, what bill parcells said.
i understand why 09 is sad. He thinks the ayatollah we killed yesterday is really the 2nd most dangerous human, after sha.
I write this the day after a #1 seed needed a refs whistle to beat us in their arena on Sr night.
Yes it is a premise that will never be proven but if you want to deal with facts and things that can be proven, we’re very close to being 4 years without an NCAA tournament game. I understand that we don’t have UNC type expectations but 4 years without a tournament cannot be ok.
I don't think we should keep going to this well, "if the league was better..." But it wasn't. What are we trying to do with these comparisons? What's the point, just to shoot down the season? There's no continuity. We won't have this team next year. You can only evaluate who you play year-to-year. It's impossible and unnecessary to say this team isn't as good if it played in year 2022 Big East or something. Maybe the budget goes to $9M and we are in the thick of things in a "better" BE next season. It's no precursor either. IDK. Let's see then.
He's got a team that's #51 in KenPom. This after being #207, #50, and #58 the prior 3 seasons. It's basically where we've been for a while. Great bounce back when we didn't know if we'd survive in this age. Willard's final 4 teams were 52, 54, 20 60. Unfortunately it's close but no cigar yet again for Shaheen and we have more bad losses than good wins. The 0/4 in the NCAAT and 0-3 at the BET stink. Season isn't over yet, but disappointing.
I hate not making it. I am happy with this season nonetheless. This is our 46th season in the BE. We got a bid 14 times. Given our size and the support alums provide plus a not so on the ball admin, NIL will hurt us significantly, assuming no logical rules are implemented.
I wish sha's offense was better. I hope we get some good shooters. But I saw progress, proof this year that what sha wants can work, and i will root for his success. I will be there to watch and give what I can. This isnt a business transaction to me, its a lot more personal .
If you want you want to be better you have to establish an honest evaluation of where you are today. We are a 19 win team where 16 of those wins are outside the top 75 in NET, and going into yesterday 18 of those 19 wins were outside the top 75.
I think the folks who believe the 3 in a row gets us on the right side of the bubble are missing is the perception of how the BE is viewed this year. I've seen some bracketologists have SJU as a 6 seed, despite being 16-2 right now in the league, 23 wins overall, a strong SOS, very good metrics overall, only one bad loss the entire season that might not even be considered a bad L metrics wise now b/c of Prov's 3 game winning streak, and a 3-1 record against the two other Big East teams projected in the dance. And that's a 6 from some bracketologists b/c of where the BE is this season.
Yeah we’re not making it. It’ll be another season where you’re maybe 2 close games away. Been a painful 4-years.
But we can block St. John’s from winning the RS which would be some solace.
How things have changed that preventing another team from going 18-2 instead of 17-3 is a win.
Laughable. You've been on this weird shtick about "balance" the last few years. Complete and utter BS. You use that to hide behind the real reason, which is that you don't respect and you don't agree with my opinions. I only mentioned two posters because those were the two I could think of off the top of my head. There are more. General_Tso is one of the best posters in this history of this board, but you ran him out of town because he was "too negative" for your liking. I didn't always agree with shupat08 but I respected him. He too (I believe) has turned against Holloway, so you use that against him as you do with me.
I'm the same person I've always been - calling it as I see it. What's changed is this board has become a haven for the Pollyannas and cheerleaders. Dissent is not tolerated here among all the lapdogs for the status quo at Seton Hall.