Patience for Matt Rhule

[salsa red]

Now do cost of living for each location, stability of the head coach, roster, performance of who he replaced and opportunity for improvement, family proximity, etc. Point being, there are a lot of factors at play.

Granted, Ekeler has a history of jumping jobs (which wasn't one of your arguments). BUT, that doesn't change the fact that he was one of our best assistants and it was pretty well documented that he left because he and Rhule didn't get along. Which was the point. Which you seem to have missed AGAIN.

Maybe what I take as you arguing just to argue or being slow to comprehend the discussion at hand is what you think is just playing devil's advocate. Thing is, if that's what you're doing, you're just not doing it very successfully. At all.

Rumor was that Ekeler wanted to stay but with more responsibilities (position coach, dc role, etc) but Rhule wanted him to stay at ST only. USC gave him ST & LB coaching roles.

Seemed like Rhule's ego didn't like getting outshined by one of his assistants. Losing Ekeler is going to hurt this year, he was our best coach on staff and ST was probably responsible for at least 2 wins last year.

 

[1thomas]

Rumor was that Ekeler wanted to stay but with more responsibilities (position coach, dc role, etc) but Rhule wanted him to stay at ST only. USC gave him ST & LB coaching roles.

Seemed like Rhule's ego didn't like getting outshined by one of his assistants. Losing Ekeler is going to hurt this year, he was our best coach on staff and ST was probably responsible for at least 2 wins last year.

Quite the assumption that it was Rhule's ego that caused Ekeler to leave. He offered to make him one of the highest paid st coordinators in the country- why do that if he's afraid of being outshined.
Where on the defensive staff should Ek gone? Perhaps Aurich didn't want him.

 

[HuskerO58]

I'll just tell you right now it would be.

Sadly, we probably wont see the day come where you have to admit that while Rhule is here.

 

[HuskerO58]

You being all up in your feels has nothing to do with you agreeing with me. It is in reference to you telling me to "be a decent human being" and calling me a "dickhead" (and now "huge douchebag"). All very emotional responses based on your feelings getting hurt. My reference to you being slow are in direct response to your lack of comprehension here. As has been exhibited by you over and over.

You've moved the goal post from "quick without looking it up name Georgia's assistants" like it was some kind of trivia contest, which made zero sense in the discussion...to Rhule's 4th set of assistants could be good 2 to 8 years from now, which also makes zero sense in this discussion. All while completely ignoring the main point which was that his best 2 assistants have been one and done guys who he couldn't get along with. Literally none of your points have had anything to do with Rhule being well respected in the coaching profession.

Sorry, but you seem like just another Rhule apologist who doesn't have a valid point (because nobody can anymore with Rhule), so you argue just to argue. Or you have a comprehension issue. Or maybe both.

Yeah, you attacked me without provocation so it does make sense for me to tell you to be a decent human being while also calling you a dickhead.

I've comprehended everything just fine. You're the one with the problem of someone else challenging your thought process. Not me.

It doesn't even have to be Kirby's coaching staff. Use Texas or BYU or Iowa. Nobody knows how good a coaching staff is until after the fact. The point is, I could name the 5 Nebraska assistant coaches and we wouldn't know which of us are right.

If you don't feel my example was a good one, then fine. But you seem pretty thin skinned about it and resort to "Rhule apologist" or "comprehension problem" or "argue just to argue". It shows your inability to be able to communicate & shows how sensitive you are.

 

[HuskerO58]

Now do cost of living for each location, stability of the head coach, roster, performance of who he replaced and opportunity for improvement, family proximity, etc. Point being, there are a lot of factors at play.

Granted, Ekeler has a history of jumping jobs (which wasn't one of your arguments). BUT, that doesn't change the fact that he was one of our best assistants and it was pretty well documented that he left because he and Rhule didn't get along. Which was the point. Which you seem to have missed AGAIN.

Maybe what I take as you arguing just to argue or being slow to comprehend the discussion at hand is what you think is just playing devil's advocate. Thing is, if that's what you're doing, you're just not doing it very successfully. At all.

If you're not going to answer my question, just don't respond.

 

[NikkiSixx]

He seems like he has terrible anxiety that spirals when things are going bad. Probably has unresolved trauma from being Sanduskied at PSU.

you could very well be right on some of that.. i feel bad for him as a person.. but then you realize how much coin this guy is taking home every day.. and that empathy dries up pretty quick.

 

[Man Woman & Child]

Yeah, you attacked me without provocation...

Good Lord, cry more. Yeah, I don't engage with snowflakes so we can just end the discussion there. Have a good one and GBR

 

[NikkiSixx]

I believe the point he was making was that the two best assistants Rhule has had (White and Ekeler) left, both on bad/awkward terms, for lateral moves.

No matter how you slice it, that is not normal.

I think Rhule has a bit of 'little man' disease.. and it's super horrifying to watch from afar. We should be careful, this guy could easily maneuver to take down the University and others with a tell all book on how we destroyed his mental health etc. there is a point here where he becomes a serious liability imo, and we already kind of crossed that.

 

[suffocation_]

Which part about Georgia?

The part I already described for you, figure it out.

So if you could answer my question please...

I already answered your question about *Ekeler, figure it out [x2].

 

[suffocation_]

I think Rhule has a bit of 'little man' disease.. and it's super horrifying to watch from afar. We should be careful, this guy could easily maneuver to take down the University and others with a tell all book on how we destroyed his mental health etc. there is a point here where he becomes a serious liability imo, and we already kind of crossed that.

There hasn't been a single year here where Rhule has been the best coach on staff, which is a major problem.

 

[Scoop123]

We could argue all day about Ekeler's departure. The bottom line is Rhule has been an abject failure at hiring and keeping a talented staff. I cannot see anyone disputing this fact.

Might be his biggest failure thus far.

 

[inWV]

Quite the assumption that it was Rhule's ego that caused Ekeler to leave. He offered to make him one of the highest paid st coordinators in the country- why do that if he's afraid of being outshined.
Where on the defensive staff should Ek gone? Perhaps Aurich didn't want him.

Ek wanted to coach LBs. Dvoracek is still employed as LB coach, Simpson is coaching OLB and Aurich has what he wants to do in his head and has been spending time at the position as well. And of course Ek knew all of this. His red line was an arrangement he knew he wasn't going to get. So if coaching LBs was something he really wanted to do, he'd have to do it elsewhere.
The situation is useful as another brick to throw at Rhule. And as far as Rhule goes, the fact that some of us aren't adding torches and pitchfork posts that that sh*t talk "Matt" doesn't mean we think he's the next Devaney or TO. He ain't no magic coach and he made a big mistake (Butler --> DC, and a somewhat smaller one (Bradden) that in combination contributed to poor defensive play. I see the Raiola thing as an unfortunate case of what we thought we were getting (generational player) and what we actually got (a very talented arm who likes to hold the ball too long). For Rhule that was a kid, for reasons of talent and program connections, he could not pass up, even if he had nagging concerns (I don't think he did).
Frost's problem is that he didn't want to be a HC at a program like NU, but perhaps he wasn't being honest with himself. But his hesitancy in the days leading up to the decision are informative in hindsight. And interestingly, he's right back in Orlando. Rhule actually wants to be a coach at this level. Unlike some, I assume he really does want to win, compete in the conference and bid for playoff, as opposed to just collecting a check and wrangling fat buyouts. If all he wanted to do was the latter, the rest would be a pretty hard slog. And as fan, I'm a little sick of the spins on the coaching carousel.

 

[1thomas]

I think Rhule has a bit of 'little man' disease.. and it's super horrifying to watch from afar. We should be careful, this guy could easily maneuver to take down the University and others with a tell all book on how we destroyed his mental health etc. there is a point here where he becomes a serious liability imo, and we already kind of crossed that.

Delusional

 

[Man Woman & Child]

We could argue all day about Ekeler's departure. The bottom line is Rhule has been an abject failure at hiring and keeping a talented staff. I cannot see anyone disputing this fact.

Might be his biggest failure thus far.

100% this and it certainly points to him not being all that well respected in the coaching profession. Which was my point.

 

[suffocation_]

Ek wanted to coach LBs. Dvoracek is still employed as LB coach

and his position group did such a stellar job!

 

[Anon1750875978]

I'm looking at the only stat that really matters, wins. Let's face it though, nobody has set the world on fire the past 20 years.

That coincides with lower academic standards and the unlimited roster that TO benefited from.

 

[RikeMiley]

Ek wanted to coach LBs. Dvoracek is still employed as LB coach, Simpson is coaching OLB and Aurich has what he wants to do in his head and has been spending time at the position as well. And of course Ek knew all of this. His red line was an arrangement he knew he wasn't going to get. So if coaching LBs was something he really wanted to do, he'd have to do it elsewhere.
The situation is useful as another brick to throw at Rhule. And as far as Rhule goes, the fact that some of us aren't adding torches and pitchfork posts that that sh*t talk "Matt" doesn't mean we think he's the next Devaney or TO. He ain't no magic coach and he made a big mistake (Butler --> DC, and a somewhat smaller one (Bradden) that in combination contributed to poor defensive play. I see the Raiola thing as an unfortunate case of what we thought we were getting (generational player) and what we actually got (a very talented arm who likes to hold the ball too long). For Rhule that was a kid, for reasons of talent and program connections, he could not pass up, even if he had nagging concerns (I don't think he did).
Frost's problem is that he didn't want to be a HC at a program like NU, but perhaps he wasn't being honest with himself. But his hesitancy in the days leading up to the decision are informative in hindsight. And interestingly, he's right back in Orlando. Rhule actually wants to be a coach at this level. Unlike some, I assume he really does want to win, compete in the conference and bid for playoff, as opposed to just collecting a check and wrangling fat buyouts. If all he wanted to do was the latter, the rest would be a pretty hard slog. And as fan, I'm a little sick of the spins on the coaching carousel.

Anyone know what Phil Simpson is actually doing, I've seen it mentioned by Husker Online that he got demoted but still on staff.

 

[BeaverSlayerReincarnated69]

So people are mad about the extension. Regardless of folks' feelings about Rhule around here, he is well respected in the coaching profession and actually got NU to back to back bowl games for the first time in a decade. Pelini took the good will of the fan base and threw it in the trash. It was a gold watch job for Riley, and Frost never put in the real work. I think putting a guy on the clock after three years and then running him off should guarantee more of what we've seen over the past decade.
I know people think they know how it will play out. People thought that about Solich and Pelini and fired them. We thought we knew how it would play out with Frost. We were horribly wrong.

You speak for the masses? Pelini should have been fired. Frost shouldve been canned after year 3.

 

[HuskerO58]

The part I already described for you, figure it out.

What, that Georgia assistants have left for better jobs? Cool, I never said otherwise.

I already answered your question about *Ekeler, figure it out [x2].

Then your logic doesnt follow.

Ekeler was at Tennessee, he was getting a "significant monetary bump" (your words) to come to Nebraska, so you would consider this a situation where Ekeler moved up.

Ekeler was at Nebraska, he was getting an even greater "significant monetary bump" to go to USC, but you considered this a lateral move.

That doesn't make any sense how one was a move up while the other was a lateral move.

 

[suffocation_]

What, that Georgia assistants have left for better jobs? Cool, I never said otherwise.

Glad you agree you were wrong

Then your logic doesnt follow.

Ekeler was at Tennessee, he was getting a "significant monetary bump" (your words) to come to Nebraska, so you would consider this a situation where Ekeler moved up.

Ekeler was at Nebraska, he was getting an even greater "significant monetary bump" to go to USC, but you considered this a lateral move.

That doesn't make any sense how one was a move up while the other was a lateral move.

1) you lied on the USC number, given that as a private university, USC hasn't disclosed that number

2) he turned down a raise/extension when Rhule offered

you always try to debate the quality of nuts and bolts on a broken engine, makes you come off as quite feminine. no offense, just trying to help you understand why so many find you annoying

 

[Man Woman & Child]

you always try to debate the quality of nuts and bolts on a broken engine, makes you come off as quite feminine. no offense, just trying to help you understand why so many find you annoying

Careful, you might have just encroached on his safe space.

 

[HuskerO58]

Good Lord, cry more. Yeah, I don't engage with snowflakes so we can just end the discussion there. Have a good one and GBR

I get it, you're one who talks tough behind a keyboard/phone rather than act like an adult and keep things civil.

Calling out your ******** attitude causes you to get sensitive & double down on your fake tough guy antics. Matt Rhule has not only damaged Husker football, but he's damaged you too. Way to be his b*tch.

 

[HuskerO58]

Glad you agree you were wrong

How can I be wrong on something I never disagreed with you on? I never once said, "Georgia coaches have never left Kirby for better gigs".

1) you lied on the USC number, given that as a private university, USC hasn't disclosed that number

2) he turned down a raise/extension when Rhule offered

you always try to debate the quality of nuts and bolts on a broken engine, makes you come off as quite feminine. no offense, just trying to help you understand why so many find you annoying

1) I didn't lie. You just didn't read what I all said as I acknowledged the figure I gave.

2) Your link suggests that its possible Lincoln Riley offered Ekeler $1M.

No, you find me annoying because I use your very own logic against you and you dont know how to handle it.

Also, on Rivals, weren't you @_hall or something like that?

 

[suffocation_]

Careful, you might have just encroached on his safe space.

He might be on his period

 

[Man Woman & Child]

He might be on his period

THEY might be on THEIR period.

Come on @suffocation_ get your **** together. Try to keep up, would ya? lololol

 

[inWV]

Anyone know what Phil Simpson is actually doing, I've seen it mentioned by Husker Online that he got demoted but still on staff.

Per the NU FB website, he is the OLB coach.

 

[dinglefritz]

That coincides with lower academic standards and the unlimited roster that TO benefited from.

Tom won his last 2 titles with roster limits.

 

[king_kong__]

Tom won his last 2 titles with roster limits.

Also kids don’t even need to take ACT/SAT anymore to get into college

academic standards have literally never been lower

 

[NikkiSixx]

Delusional

bookmarked

 

[king_kong__]

We could argue all day about Ekeler's departure. The bottom line is Rhule has been an abject failure at hiring and keeping a talented staff. I cannot see anyone disputing this fact.

Might be his biggest failure thus far.

While I agree he’s been abysmal in terms of hiring, the dearth of talent on today’s roster is even more shocking.

it’s all Rhule’s guys now. No more Frost recruits.

Rhule hasn’t seen a single one of his additions over the past 3 years have his name called on draft day. In the era of free player movement, that is astonishingly inept.

 

[NikkiSixx]

While I agree he’s been abysmal in terms of hiring, the dearth of talent on today’s roster is even more shocking.

it’s all Rhule’s guys now. No more Frost recruits.

Rhule hasn’t seen a single one of his additions over the past 3 years have his name called on draft day. In the era of free player movement, that is astonishingly inept.

that's kinda crazy.. you mean all of the guys he recruited from the portal too, cause a freshman would only be a junior now, but if you include everyone he has brought in from the portal, that seems like a crazy stat in a bad way for Rhule.

 

[king_kong__]

that's kinda crazy.. you mean all of the guys he recruited from the portal too, cause a freshman would only be a junior now, but if you include everyone he has brought in from the portal, that seems like a crazy stat in a bad way for Rhule.

Yep.

 

[RBigredMax1]

Yep.

You think Spindler will get called? Dane Key regretting his decision big time.

 

[king_kong__]

You think Spindler will get called? Dane Key regretting his decision big time.

Not really. If he does it will be very late on day 3.

 

[SuperBigFan69]

I have a horrible feeling that Rhule will still find some Frost guys to start this year.

 

[KolacheKing]

I have a horrible feeling that Rhule will still find some Frost guys to start this year.

Isn't Justin Evans like the only one left?

 

[king_kong__]

I have a horrible feeling that Rhule will still find some Frost guys to start this year.

Of course he will

he can’t recruit for shitt

 

[Hawkmanic23]

Disagree. Fan base and facilities is a Cadillac

However, player development, depth, and toughness are a Gremlin.

 

[Bigred2467]

However, player development, depth, and toughness are a Gremlin.

F*ck off nut job.

 

[Ohana]

I think many of the issues fans have with Ruhle are with regard to optics. The 9 sack game vs Minnesota, a team that was barely able to sack ANY Qb in their prior games, the complete meltdown vs Iowa. The optics of having a coach upset with fans being angry after these horrible losses. The special team disasters that existed in his first two seasons. Having Satt call plays. The optics of having an entire offensive staff clueless about EJ clearly being our best back, yet buried 3rd on the depth chart until Dana arrived. So many things that lead you to think that Matt has no clue about what he is doing. And then, having the D line coach last year tell Matt "get your *** down here and help us coach up the D line". The idiotic backward cap that was somehow supposed to signal that Matt was "down in the trenches" with the players. Finally solving the special teams problems, turning ST into a strength, then seeing the coach bail after one year. I get the fact that Matt is a little butt hurt about the fans reaction and support at this point. But what do you expect, going 19-19 at NU ? A parade???

What Husker fans want is a well conditioned, well coached team that does not melt down, fold, get pushed around, and players who consistently get better as they age. We want to see a team at least compete in games that matter. We want a coach who understands the disappointment of a fan base angry at seeing two seasons implode after a good start. We want a team with depth. We want to cheer our players on when they play on Sunday. What we want, and what NU is giving us right now ( reseating, warm expensive beer you wait 25 minutes in line for, forced "donations" to be able to overpay for tickets to watch a .500 team ) is nowhere close to what fans want. We want what Indiana got. Fierce determination to be the best, accountability, a demand for excellence, organization. Accountability.

none of this will ever happen under Rhule.......exactly why people are pissed