Penn State - Stanford '25 Collegiate Duals thread

Colt2169

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88-0 for the day. Is that good?
Meh Kinda GIF by Cultura
 
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tullfan68

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I don't have flo so I can only listen but by the sounds of it: Nate Desmond beat a dead fish by major Dec?

I don't have flo so I can only listen but by the sounds of it: Nate Desmond beat a dead fish by major Dec?

I don't have flo so I can only listen but by the sounds of it: Nate Desmond beat a dead fish by major Dec?
didnt they say he was a 2 or 3 time champ from colo?"when I was in the navy we were talking wrestling and this kid told us he was 2 time champ from colo at 150 I told him I was from Pa and no time champ but I would give him a go I was about 130 I eas]ily beat him by about 5 points he ]said I got lucky so I beat him again by about 8 points!he never spoke ] to me again!
 

tullfan68

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157- #8 PJ Duke vs. #5 Daniel Cardenas

Period 1:
Big match. Here we go! Cardenas shoots, PJ counters, but Cardenas fights PJ off. PJ reaches for an ankle, but can't get there. Cardenas with a half shot. PJ snatches an ankle, but Cardenas fights free. PJ presses forward. Cardenas circles back to center. PJ reaches for a leg, but can't get there. Hand fighting & collar ties, forehead to forehead. PJ shoots, but can't finish. More hand fighting & tying up. PJ reaches for an ankle, but can't get there. Cardenas gets a stall warning. PJ tries to trip Cardenas, but misses the leg. Collar ties & hand fighting to end the period. 0-0

Period 2:
PJ takes down. He gets to his feet & almost gets away, but Cardenas brings him back to the mat. PJ gets back to his feet, but they go out of bounds. PJ is still down. PJ works to his feet & turns, but Cardenas brings him back down. Out of bounds & restart. PJ works to a quadpod. Cardenas drives him out of bounds, restart. PJ is still down. PJ works to a quadpod. He turns, but Cardenas gets a bodylock & pushes PJ out. Cardenas gets a 2nd stall warning, point PJ, 1-0. Stanford is challenging the call. Call confirmed, score stays 1-0 PJ. Back to action PJ is still down. PJ works to his feet. Cardenas goes over 1-min riding time. PJ gets to his feet & gets the escape, 2-0. PJ reaches for an ankle, but can't get there. Collar ties & hand fighting again. Cardenas shoots a high-C, but PJ fights him off & counters. Cardenas fights off PJ's counter & time expires. 2-0 PJ, Cardenas +1:18 RT

Period 3:
Cardenas takes down. Cardenas gets a quick escape, 2-1. Cardenas has +1:15 riding time still. Circling & hand fighting. Cardenas shoots, PJ counters & finishes the TD, 5-1. Out of bounds & restart. Cardenas is still down with +1:05 RT. PJ gets riding time under 1-min, then cuts Cardenas. Back to hand fighting & collar ties, 1-min left. PJ reaches for an ankle, but can't get there. Cardenas drops in deep on a leg, but PJ kicks free. PJ works a 2 on 1, but Cardenas fights him off. Cardenas shoots, but PJ fights him off & hangs on for the win.

PJ Duke DEC Daniel Cardenas 5-2

Team Score

PSU: 19
STAN: 0
LOL hangs on he was the agressor most of the match!
 

ClarkstonMark

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May 23, 2002
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Great event, great venue. Met so many nice, friendly people.
The Barr parents, Blaze's aunt.
KD .... nice soft spoken and easy to talk to. I said to him after the match that PJ had a great night and his response was, "now it is time to widen the gap"
Country singer Warren Zeider was down with the team and wearing PSU Wrestling swag.

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Ernie Ladd

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Question for those who know better than I: Mitch has made a decision to wrestle more on top and look for turns. To me, that seems like a tough change in philosophy at any time, let alone being a returning champ. Is this as unusual as I think?
 
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Nitlion1986

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Question for those who know better than I: Mitch has made a decision to wrestle more on top and look for turns. To me, that seems like a tough change in philosophy at any time, let alone being a returning champ. Is this as unusual as I think?
Not overally unusual for kids who are dominant early on there feet to add stronger mat skills as the get older and more experienced.
 

PAgeologist

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Oct 19, 2021
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Question for those who know better than I: Mitch has made a decision to wrestle more on top and look for turns. To me, that seems like a tough change in philosophy at any time, let alone being a returning champ. Is this as unusual as I think?
Or he has the ability, just never chose to use it.
 
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jack66

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Question for those who know better than I: Mitch has made a decision to wrestle more on top and look for turns. To me, that seems like a tough change in philosophy at any time, let alone being a returning champ. Is this as unusual as I think?
Taking Cael's advice, strive to improve a little every day.

He pretty much perfected the TD and release, so mat wrestling is the next step.
 

Roar More

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Question for those who know better than I: Mitch has made a decision to wrestle more on top and look for turns. To me, that seems like a tough change in philosophy at any time, let alone being a returning champ. Is this as unusual as I think?
If I remember correctly, Dave Taylor did the same thing. He was a takedown artist his first two years and then became a pinner. It was like he avoided pins early on in order to work on his mat skills.
 
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El_Jefe

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Question for those who know better than I: Mitch has made a decision to wrestle more on top and look for turns. To me, that seems like a tough change in philosophy at any time, let alone being a returning champ. Is this as unusual as I think?
Interesting question!

Can't say I know more than you, but my gut said he always had it in him, and it's probably an easier shift for returning champs than for others.

Nearly all NCAA champs win on feet. Few also score from top in the semis or finals (beyond RT point or OT rideouts) -- Zain, Jason, Ruth, Spencer, Stieber, not many more.

If you're already the best on feet, then the biggest differentiator becomes scoring from top. (Obviously without sacrificing your advantage on feet.)

Offhand, RBY also became much more of a top scorer after his first title. So there is precedent.
 

Danoftw

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Interesting question!

Can't say I know more than you, but my gut said he always had it in him, and it's probably an easier shift for returning champs than for others.

Nearly all NCAA champs win on feet. Few also score from top in the semis or finals (beyond RT point or OT rideouts) -- Zain, Jason, Ruth, Spencer, Stieber, not many more.

If you're already the best on feet, then the biggest differentiator becomes scoring from top. (Obviously without sacrificing your advantage on feet.)

Offhand, RBY also became much more of a top scorer after his first title. So there is precedent.
I agree with your gut. Maybe not as important now with the 3 pt takedown, but a valuable tool to have in the box. Top wrestling/riding came in handy for Nolf when he wanted or needed it. The Michigan training-through match Nolf’s Soph or Jr year when Pantaleo took him down twice and had choice going into the 3rd down one and takes bottom. Nolf rides him out and wins by 2. Then when his knee was injured he techs Jordan in the NCAA semis. 16-0 with two 2 pt takedowns and the other 14 with turns
 
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Hlstone

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Oct 11, 2021
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This.
I was a well below average wrestler in high school. But one of the things the sport left me with was a real affinity for sports where the competitor — win or lose - has to lay it all out and is just spent at the end of the day. Wrestling, rowing, cycling, anything on cross country skis.
To do that, as a group, successfully, for this long…just wow.
Chapeau!!


I want to hang out with this guy. How are you at ping pong?
 

mcpat

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The Blaze v Knox match was crazy yesterday. Total domination over a very high level wrestler culminating in a fall. Knox couldn’t even ride him at all. Blaze is the best wrestler in the country at 133. This is why we make fun of the Flo rankings. Everyone already knew how good Blaze was, but they refuse to show it in the rankings.
 
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The Blaze v Knox match was crazy yesterday. Total domination over a very high level wrestler culminating in a fall. Knox couldn’t even ride him at all. Blaze is the best wrestler in the country at 133. This is why we make fun of the Flo rankings. Everyone already knew how good Blaze was, but they refuse to show it in the rankings.
Possibly even the best pure wrestler in the country, period. I don't think Cael was joking about Marcus being (aka motivated and will become) the greatest wrestler ever.

And yeah, I know it's still early. And, no, I don't believe in jinxes (and am willing to bet neither Marcus nor Cael do either).