When you hire a coordinator with no head coaching experience, you are taking a risk. We just took that risk with joker. It was a complete and total dumpster fire. To do it AGAIN right after that meltdown is, in my opinion, a lazy and idiotic decision. Especially when you consider there were 2 proven guys who would have jumped at the chance to come back here.
PETRINO...the coach UK should have hired....SADLY..is licking his chops
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When you hire a coordinator with no head coaching experience, you are taking a risk. We just took that risk with joker. It was a complete and total dumpster fire. To do it AGAIN right after that meltdown is, in my opinion, a lazy and idiotic decision. Especially when you consider there were 2 proven guys who would have jumped at the chance to come back here.
I agree that it's a risk, but it's also a risk to hire a successful small school coach like Dykes as both Tennessee and Michigan have recently discovered. Leach is a different story; he would have been a great hire, but I don't know how we could justified firing Joker after 2011, even though the writing was starting to appear on the wall, and I don't know if Leach would have even considered leaving WSU after just one season. There might have been some kind of prohibitive buyout anyway. I'm not even sure that Dykes comes here instead of going to California.
The problem here is that it's just not easy to attract a proven successful head coach in his prime. The closest we have come in decades to doing so- Curry and Claiborne. And Curry actually turned out worse than most of our other hires. Claiborne was decent but he was not likely to be a long term coach at that point in his career. I just hope that Stoops can turn this around so we don't have to worry about it again for a few years.
The problem here is that it's just not easy to attract a proven successful head coach in his prime. The closest we have come in decades to doing so- Curry and Claiborne. And Curry actually turned out worse than most of our other hires. Claiborne was decent but he was not likely to be a long term coach at that point in his career. I just hope that Stoops can turn this around so we don't have to worry about it again for a few years.
Think you may have jumped the gun on Butch Jones and Tennessee. He is on his way to 8-4 this year and but for some really unfortunate losses, would have had a hell of a year this year, and is recruiting lights out. There is a reason he was the first call Mitch Barnhart made . . .
I was referring to Dooley, not Jones. In the case of Jones, I probably wouldn't have used him as an example anyway, because when he was at UC, UC was technically a BCS program, so he was a safer hire, having proven himself in the Big East, than a guy from the Sun Belt. Also, I think that Jones was 'probably' a good hire for UT, though the jury is still out up to a point.
Actually, now that I think of it, Dooley might not have been a good example of a good small school who couldn't successfully make the jump to the big time; he wasn't even a particularly good coach in the Sun Belt. I have no idea what UT was thinking.
I hope Stoops works out, I really do. For a while, I honestly believed he would turn UK football into something that we've never seen. However, the unorganization that has been displayed this season is just too much to ignore. I no longer believe Stoops can turn UK into the program that can compete for the SEC title every few years. I do think Stoops has a great recruiting plan, as our team is littered with 4* players in multiple positions. It's just painfully obvious that Mark Stoops is in way over his head from the coaching and organization aspect.
Petrino is the guy I wanted when Stoops was hired. Yes, I know about the baggage. I don't care. I want a proven winner to be the head football coach at the University of Kentucky. Say what you want about honest Bob. He wins football games, and is competitive against many of the top programs in the nation. Stoops is now 0-2, likely 0-3 against Petrino. Petrino>Stoops and nobody with a sane mind can debate that.
Having said that, Petrino at UK will never happen. I've accepted that, and moved on. So when the Stoops era has finally run its' course in 3 more years, I believe UK will have a job opening. That time will be one of the most critical in UK football history. When Barnhart (or whoever) hires the next football coach, there will be advantages that Stoops or no previous coach had a UK when they started. First, the roster will be stocked with SEVERAL 4* players, SEVERAL high 3*, and possibly a 5* or two depending on who commits the next few years.
Simply put, UK needs to hire a proven winner. The stable will be stocked, and if UK makes the right hire, the football program will take off to new heights. I don't know who will be available at that time but UK will need to get it right. If not, then we'll just have to accept the misery that UK football has been my entire life.
Petrino is the guy I wanted when Stoops was hired. Yes, I know about the baggage. I don't care. I want a proven winner to be the head football coach at the University of Kentucky. Say what you want about honest Bob. He wins football games, and is competitive against many of the top programs in the nation. Stoops is now 0-2, likely 0-3 against Petrino. Petrino>Stoops and nobody with a sane mind can debate that.
Having said that, Petrino at UK will never happen. I've accepted that, and moved on. So when the Stoops era has finally run its' course in 3 more years, I believe UK will have a job opening. That time will be one of the most critical in UK football history. When Barnhart (or whoever) hires the next football coach, there will be advantages that Stoops or no previous coach had a UK when they started. First, the roster will be stocked with SEVERAL 4* players, SEVERAL high 3*, and possibly a 5* or two depending on who commits the next few years.
Simply put, UK needs to hire a proven winner. The stable will be stocked, and if UK makes the right hire, the football program will take off to new heights. I don't know who will be available at that time but UK will need to get it right. If not, then we'll just have to accept the misery that UK football has been my entire life.
Petrino is a great coach that's why he's 6-5 in the weak *** ACC. Great QB rotation too. The cards can keep him.
Umm, no. LOL. Contrary to what many believe on here, Petrino's time as serious candidate for big time football programs is over. Whatever he once had, he doesn't have anymore. He's a fine coach, but his 2 seasons at Louisville haven't been that impressive. Mediocre at best. Louisville fans thought he'd come in and make them a national title contender or something. Now they're left being satisfied with a third year in a row without one single win vs. a ranked team and a 7-5 or 6-6 season since it's a "rebuilding year". Rebuilding from what exactly??
Exactly. Really tired of UofL and UK fans continuing to act like Petrino is some genius coach. The worst year WKU has had in the past 4 years was the year Petrino was there. His one WKU team underachieved and his two UofL teams have underachieved. He had QB problems at WKU that immediately disappeared when he left. He has had QB issues both years at UofL too. Petrino took over UofL at a perfect time his first tenure. UK was unbelievably down due to probation, except for the 1st year when Brooks inherited a good team but even that game was primarily lost on special teams. He beat up on UK as they were rebuilding and beat up C-USA teams and Big East teams that had much less talent.
I'm still on board with Coach Stoops but if UK fans want to express regret over a coach, it should be over Pat Narduzzi, the coach whose team just whipped Petrino. Narduzzi lived in Lexington from 1st - 3rd grade, when his father Bill Narduzzi was Fran Curci's very good defensive coordinator at UK. UofL fans should regret not hiring Narduzzi too. It appeared he was next on their list but Jurich opted for Petrino. Big mistake and he would have spared his university all the negative press that came with Petrino.
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Narduzzi was my 1st choice when Strong left for Texas...loved his defense at Michigan State and always like young hungry coaches like him.
With his track record of infidelity, both on and off the field, Petrino is always available.
Silly friggin' thread..... People wanted Beooks gone after 3 years, and Stoops hasn't even completed 3 years yet....
It takes more damn time than normal for this program to turn around, and it HAS turned around.... Better recruits, better conditioned players, and the win/loss column is upward (or perhaps hitting a plateau for this year) instead of downward
I've seen a helluva lot more bad UK games than many of you complaining....and if you're 38 like one of you all, you saw the only "Golden Era" of UK football there's been since Bear Bryant... With Brooks
Yeah, I get pi$$ed off over the crap I see on the field too; part of the process. When we are complaining about plays and mistakes in losses that are within a TD..... That's still better than watching complete a$$whoopings over and over for a entire season
We are getting better
It takes more damn time than normal for this program to turn around, and it HAS turned around.... Better recruits, better conditioned players, and the win/loss column is upward (or perhaps hitting a plateau for this year) instead of downward
I've seen a helluva lot more bad UK games than many of you complaining....and if you're 38 like one of you all, you saw the only "Golden Era" of UK football there's been since Bear Bryant... With Brooks
Yeah, I get pi$$ed off over the crap I see on the field too; part of the process. When we are complaining about plays and mistakes in losses that are within a TD..... That's still better than watching complete a$$whoopings over and over for a entire season
We are getting better
You're the kinda guy that would sell your soul to the devil. Desperation is never a good look.
There is doing what it takes to win, and then there is Petrino. His duchebagery has nothing to do with Football.
I would be more apt to agree with the Petrino fans if they had something lik 10 wins. I won't sell my souls to the devil for 6 wins. They have regressed from last year. 9 wins last year?
Was this supposed to be rhetorical? I understand that your point is that we don't play anybody or ever beat anybody who is any good. But we are rebuilding from graduating 23 players last year and putting 10 of those into the NFL as draft picks. 40 of the 105 players on this year's roster are new. That's basically a textbook example of rebuilding. Who we played in the years prior and how we did against that schedule is beside the point.
The point is that a school like LSU no longer has any interest in Petrino, even his past issues aside. I simply gave examples of how he has done nothing since he started coaching again to warrant big time programs being interested.
Weird, I didn't hear the rebuilding narrative until you guys started losing games. I mean, he's such a genius that he should have worked some magic no matter what, right?
Honestly don't know why there's a person with half way decent football knowledge or half a brain to be down on Stoops. Three years coaching UK, using mostly Joker's recruits his first year, and has gone 2-7, 5-6 and except for 2 dropped touch down passes would stand at 7-3 right now.
When his own recruits grow and get their feet on the ground many around here will be worried he's getting ready to leave. When he does, who would blame him, he'll leave this program a hell of a lot better off than it was when he took over.
Now it's time for a MFTC to call for a fight at the 50 yard line to show a little swagger.
When his own recruits grow and get their feet on the ground many around here will be worried he's getting ready to leave. When he does, who would blame him, he'll leave this program a hell of a lot better off than it was when he took over.
Now it's time for a MFTC to call for a fight at the 50 yard line to show a little swagger.
What happened with the "reloading" part I have heard for years around your program?...It's called stepping up in class. As long as you are in the same division as Fla.St , Clemson and somewhat NC St your grandiose dreams of playing in a major bowl are over..
I have been saying it on this board and on ours since November 30th, 2014. It's why I've been saying repeatedly that 2015 was the year for UK to break through with another win in this series. In fact, I was saying it earlier than that, because anybody who paid close attention to Strong's roster moves could tell that he was stockpiling as much talent for 2014 as he possibly could.
Last year was the year, assuming Bridgewater, Calvin Pryor, and 23 other seniors including Michael Dyer, that CCS was building toward the best team in UofL history. Of course, Bridgewater and Pryor went a year early and in the first round, and Strong "sold high" and moved on to Texas.
Now of course, that statement about building toward 2014 would have sounded like "UofL thinks they are Bama" talk, which is not appropriate or welcome over here, so that type of talk from me mostly remained on the private Collision Course board.
You'll have to forgive me if I remain skeptical of that. We are now 6-1 against NC State all-time, including 3-0 on their home field, so they don't even belong on this conversation. Florida State will no doubt be very difficult to get past, and frankly I don't see us doing that very often. But I am not overawed by Clemson. They have great fan support, and Sweeney is a good coach, but Clemson has a small recruiting base in a low population state. We can and already are competing on their level.
From 12-1 to 9-4 to 6-5? Regression is obvious. And with only 2 seniors on offense, 3 on defense and 2 kicking specialists, it should have been easy to predict.
Clemson and South Carolina divide their state in recruiting generally.
Assume, for sake of argument, that Louisville and UK divide Kentucky in terms of recruiting. That's not necessarily true; UK tends to do better than UofL in in-state recruiting unless Jefferson County has a particularly good crop, but for sake of argument, let's assume it's true.
Given that, you'll find it very difficult to recruit on the level on Clemson. South Carolina may be a low population state but, like Mississippi and Alabama, it's a high population state when it comes to recruits. It probably puts out about ten times as many legit prospects per year than New York state. Perhaps Louisville will occasionally match Clemson in a recruiting class, but it sure won't have anything to do with location. It will be a year when Louisville manages to get a ton of stud talent from Florida.
Are you freaking serious with this bs...like I said NCSt...somewhat, but are you serious about Clemson?...when are you even in the same universe with them in recruiting, fan base and national prominence...That is like saying we are not in awe of Ala and are close to their level...you do realize they are probably going to be playing for th NC this year, right...you are in way over you head in this conversation if you truly believe this bs you wrote...and like you said FSU is a given
Wow. You're already competing on Clemson's level? That's weird, aren't they #1 right now and haven't you lost to them twice? Hey, we've played competitive games with the likes of UF, UGA, Auburn several times. Guess we're on their level too.
What is there to like about NeckbracePetrino. Your Looserville fans are complaining about the version of him that you have now to what he was the first time around.
You all complain about him and his staff more then we do. He is 15-9 as the rehabilitated jerk.
Everyone of your delisulional fans are Bitc-ing about how he and your crummy team have not lived up to your expectations.
You get what you deserve and you all will never be more than a middle of the pack ACC team if that. Get use to it.
Petrino is not close to Spurrier in his prime. How's all those "good QB's" doing now
Last year 9-4 this year 6-5.
Go sell that crap on your board. What a joke.
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you don't get it cause your a Looserville fan......duh.
If he is so wanted and coveted by every program in the country how come his name never comes up for all the openings going on.
He should be in jail for the state criminal statutes he violated by hiring the Ho he was banging. He did not just cheat on his wife he broke the law
Funny, he just described what our staff is going thru. We have not put a bunch of players in the NFL but Coach Stoops has had to purge a bad roster and bring in tons of young players
We have a younger team then UofLsucksville but they dog us out as a bad team.
Despite all their negative talk about our program, how bad we are, blah blah blah.....their record is 6-5 and we are 5-6.
We're so bad yet they have won one more game then us. Looserville is so awesome..... Elite program my arse.....
That's a good point, and, over the UofHell board, some of the Tards fans were gloating that Stoops was not mentioned in a FoxSports article which listed 51 movers and shakers on the college coaching carosel. First Ruh-Tard mistake- the article didn't just list up and comers, but also included guys that are on the hot seat. The second, and more important, thing that the Ruh-Tards failed to notice is that Honest Bob wasn't on the list, either.
No doubt, if that was pointed out, the Ruh-Tards would say that he is so loyal to UofLoL that the media would never speculate on his leaving. Of course, he was desperately trying to leave on the first go-around on multiple occasions before he actually did leave. But linebeards have convenient memories and wouldn't remember that part of Uof Smell history.
When Petrino actually was at Western,there was only one school trying to get him- your school. How many other schools are trying to get him, now? Probably none, but, if there are any, you'll find out the hard way, AGAIN. You'll find out when he gets on that plane to once again upgrade.
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Isn't KY in a similar position, only we have become better over the last several years
The reason you are not on that level (aside from depth issues that Stoops is hopefully fixing) is because in any given year you have to go through, at a minimum, Florida, Georgia, Tennessee, and South Carolina. Lately Missouri too.
UofL only has to go through FSU and Clemson. I thought for several decades prior to UofL joining the ACC that it would be so much better for UK football if they were to join the ACC, but of course that ship has passed.
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Yes, that's why this game is a pick'em in my opinion.