play calling
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Because the coaches see it being done on Sports Center and think they have to do it that way also. Many coaches are probably afraid of innovative play calling as they fear looking bad and harming their chances of getting hired elsehwere.
Or why do teams throw the ball 50 times and complete 25% of them?
Some teams with good depth will run up middle a lot early to wear down a DL and make itneasier to bust big runs late.
..."Because the coaches see it being done on Sports Center and think they have to do it that way also."
My most non favorite play.
1st & goal at the 1 and pass. Lol
1st & goal at the 1 and pass. Lol
Riverheads showed tonight they can pass with ease . I think they saw your post may not ever run up the middle again !lol
Why do people feel with screen names feel they know everything about football?
Hr 6. Don't you have a madden tournament to attend???
Hr 6. Don't you have a madden tournament to attend???
Ask the Seahawks how passing at the goal line worked out for them!
That happens a lot when teams feel they can't make a first and don't want a sack or a turnover. Screens and draws happen a lot on third and very long.
Or go the other way, run early to open up those npassing lanes and make teams respect the PA pass.
Its all about scheme and strategy. I agree a lot mof teams overdo it and try too much, but if you can do it successfully early, it opens up huge passing lanes and freezes LBs on PA plays.
When you pass 3 things happen and 2 of them are no good ! Run Run and Run up the middle !
There are safe, high percentage pass plays. Most importantly, the QB (or passing tailback) has to be coached to make smart decisions.
set up the play action and freeze ya LBs. Just one reason. Another is to gain 3 yards, 4 yards, 3 yards. sets up a quick short passing route. Now if they doing it all game with no success. ...well
They domt run it up the A gap every single play, they use a lot of different looks and calls. They run a ton sure, bit its not just dive after dive.
River heads alwaysbhas verybgreat runners and blockers tho, they are an outlier.
Do you not agree its easier to scheme against a team when you know all they will do is run every play?
It all depends on personnel. Some teams don't have the capability to gain four yards consistently on the ground so they have to throw. Just because one team is successful running exclusively doesn't mean that's best for everyone. Do you think Richlands should abandon their lethal passing attack to run it 49 times a game?
A great passing attack can hurt a defense so many ways, a team would be a fool to not at least attempt to throw the ball at times. To say the only time to throw is 3-4 times a game to keep a D honest is somewhat foolish IMO. The hardest attacks to stop are the ones that can hurt you with the run or thru the air because teams cant focus on stopping only one faucet
Any team that is very good and can win year in and year out should keep the program they have in place and keep doing it . Find something that works with the kids that you consistently get every year and stay with it ! Those years you get one or more super athletes , they make you look that much better . Don't change all you do every year to match personnel . Most kids can't learn a new system every year . Small changes go a long way. imo
I wontndisagree with that, when a feeder system gets kids prepared for a certain scheme and it works, no sense in changing. I was speaking more generally. But a team that can run and pass both at a high level is much harder to scheme against and stop, that's kinda common sense.
Most of the time we are not lucky enough to be blessed with that kind of talent in 1A . 200 - 475 kids ! Play the cards you are dealt .
With good routes run, many teams cannot play good pass defense, especially on short and intermediate passes. I see too many teams run ball up middle play after play, knowing they probably ain't gonna get many yards. most good teams have a good defense in the middle. Hard to move them.
Now with all that's been said, some teams have their own schemes they have had for years, that are successful
i.e. Giles and Riverheads are 2 that pop in my mind . There are others I am not as familiar with.
Now with all that's been said, some teams have their own schemes they have had for years, that are successful
i.e. Giles and Riverheads are 2 that pop in my mind . There are others I am not as familiar with.
That was whatbinwas getting at, that at the HS level most teams don't have enough quality DBsnto defend a good passing attack.
My guess is that I was playing football before you were even thought of . What would prefer , Super Power , Buck or Gut ? I don't know much but my grandkids are teaching me a little !
"Run it up Middle" are the most feared words in football for bad teams. Granted there are different technical football terms for those type plays. But results are the same. (little or no gain)
Xcross, I would not consider super power or buck "up the middle plays since they hit C to D gap depending on the TE. Unless you were speaking of buck lateral trap that was invented far before you were born. Age doesn't define your football knowledge, even though I believe the offenses of yester year are far more fun to watch than the spread craze that has swept through high school football.
I get tired of the "Run it up the middle" nonsense because It's overused by people who don't know how to draw up a simple trap, tackle trap, belly, iso, midline, inside veer, wedge, guy, dive, inside zone<----see, I can name plays too. Just because you don't see it on TV on Saturdays or Sundays doesn't mean it isn't good...
I get tired of the "Run it up the middle" nonsense because It's overused by people who don't know how to draw up a simple trap, tackle trap, belly, iso, midline, inside veer, wedge, guy, dive, inside zone<----see, I can name plays too. Just because you don't see it on TV on Saturdays or Sundays doesn't mean it isn't good...
If it isn't entertaining to you because you can't see the ball in the air just means learn to watch football from a different perspective... go watch giles offensive line and tell me that isn't as impressive or much more so than a pass happy spread team... I'd much rather watch a well oiled wing T team gash teams with belly trap and buck sweep than a team that throws it poorly 60 times a game
That's all personal preference. I'd rather watch a good team execute well, regardless of scheme. Giles canbe fun to watch, but so can a good team like Richlands that excels out of a shotgun spread 4-5 WR system.
Giles is the only running team I have ever enjoyed watching. But give me no huddle spread, with QB in shotgun and 5 WRs.
I never watch the o line. Heck if the o line did not line up, I would not notice it. I watch only QB and WRs.
I never watch the o line. Heck if the o line did not line up, I would not notice it. I watch only QB and WRs.
Seems you prefer 7 on 7 to actual football. Lol. No team whether a running team or passing team is anything without the guys up front!!
Completely agree, most people that complain of teams running up the middle every play do not have the football knowledge to understand that those 3 "runs up the middle" in a row were probably different plays. Most people see a trap play and call it dive because dive is on madden, Jon Gruden says dive. So if it is a downhill run, it must be dive, right? haha.
There are great schemes that allow you to put the ball in a lot of places, just because it goes to the same general area does not mean it is the same play and there is a schematic reason behind running it.
Now a coach running the same exact play 3 times in a row with no success is another story. But let's be real, there are just as many (if not more) coaches spreading out and throwing 3 incomplete passes down the field as there are running 3 no gain runs in a row. Which of those two is better is another argument, but that team that cannot gain any yards running the ball probably wants that clock to roll, shorten the game, and get out of there without stopping the clock on incomplete passes.