I view the Politi article as clickbait and nothing more. There is absolutely *no* reason, IMHO, why a decision needs to be made or should be made about extending Schiano. He's not going anywhere, and it's hard to see why a recruit today would care if Schiano is here for all four/five years or not.
Politi: "Greg Schiano deserves a contract extension as Rutgers clears a major hurdle"
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Notice no one here has been able to find a single coach with less than 4 years on their contract? Have you noticed that? Whys that? Because any coach with less than 4 years is a fired coach.
You probably would be a poor manager at a company with talent flying out the door as youd just dig your heels in and say, “I know my DIRECT competition is doing providing X comp level but I’m going to provide Y comp level just because I say so”.
Again, I think the extensions in this sport are crazy, I think the money is insane. However luckily Im not an idiot and realize that despite my beliefs, I have to acquiesce to what the market is.
Are you kidding with this? In what world would you think 3-9 after a 6-6 season "merited" or "merits" an extension?
Let's say Rutgers beats Howard, Akron and Virginia Tech. They lose out. They get blown out by 2 of Illinois, Maryland and Michigan State. Offense does not improve over this year.
Everybody is an idiot but you. Interesting. Maybe you are crazy? The four year thing is nothing.
What Leipold has done is impressive and he took over as bad a situation as you'll find in CFB. I've mentioned these things here before. IIRC, he took over a team that averaged less than 2 wins for a decade. They had the lowest PPG total in the P5 and highest margin of loss in the P5 during that decade. They literally didn't have a full complement of scholarships until this past year because of what Charlie Weis did long ago. That's part of the reason you can go over 25 schollies now.
He's beaten Texas in his 3 years (Texas wasn't so good that year but still something they hadn't done in a long time), got them to 6 wins and a bowl last year in his 2nd year (ended up 6-7) and this year in year 3 he's got them to 8 wins with a win over 10-2 OU. And over these last 2 years he's had to play good chunks of the season with either his 2nd string or 3rd string qb as well. Had both his RBs out for a good chunk of last year. Considering what they were in the decade before he got there, that's impressive.
Why do you think Schiano is "flying out the door?"
BC Hafley contract ends 2026 and Schiano contract ends 2027.
Schiano has 4 years left on contract so we definitely can wait after next season to talk about an extension. Blows his 4 year rule.
I like Schiano and want him to be here longer than 2027 but I want to see improvement in the offense. No improvement until he gets a better QB. Everybody knew he can turn the defense around.
Schiano has 4 years left on contract so we definitely can wait after next season to talk about an extension. Blows his 4 year rule.
I like Schiano and want him to be here longer than 2027 but I want to see improvement in the offense. No improvement until he gets a better QB. Everybody knew he can turn the defense around.
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Here are some real life examples why you don't extend. And in many of these examples, the coaches actually had winning regular seasons or were Coach of Year:
1. Tom Allen at Indiana- Extended to 7 years on March 8, 2021. Great comparison: 24-22 at the time of his extension, with consecutive bowl appearances and a 14-7 record in 2019-20. How did that work out?
2021: 2-10/0-9
2022: 4-8/2-7
2023: 3-9/1-8. Can you say albatross. And this was AFTER two winning seasons and 2 Bowl Games. Greg has NONE of those.
2. Mel Tucker at MSU- He went 11-2/7-2 in year 2 (2021). MSU acted fast and gifted him a $95 million 10 year contract. How did that work out? 5-7/3-6 in 2022. 4-8/2-7 in 2023, fired after 2 games.
3. Jimbo Fisher (Aggies)- 2020- Goes 9-1/8-1; He gets extended through 2031 season at $9M/year. How did that work out? 8-4/4-4 in 2021, 5-7/2-6 in 2022 and 6-4/4-3 fired in 2023.
4. Bret Bielema- after going 8-4/5-4 in the 2022 season and going 13-11 in his first 2 seasons, got a salary bump and extended through 2028. How did that work out? In 2023, his team went 5-7/3-6.
I'm struggling to find an example where a coach with a 6-6 record and a losing record in conference received an extension and/or a raise. Would you indulge us and find an example and how that worked out?
Schiano flying out the door!? Lol.
This is rutgersal territory.
This is rutgersal territory.
I couldn’t read the paragraph below the GIF because I made the mistake of staring too hard at the GIF and, after that, my brain kept saying “exactly” in time with the GIF. Exactly… exactly… exactly…
Except, IMO, the results do not justify an extension. And no raise. Wait another year. Who is going to scoop him up and steal him from us? And for the record, I like Greg and what he is doing, but would like to see improvements next year in: (1) Offense; (2) QB development (3) WR room (4) TEs and (5) Special teams
It’s like: egg-ZACT-ly. It’s the damn hand gesture that got me.
(exactly… exactly… exactly…)
Damn word is gonna pervade my thoughts all damn day, dammit.
It's taken me a while, but I have warmed to Leipold as a P5 coach. He has shown incremental and linear progress each year at Kansas.
I look at this from 2 perspectives- what has happened to Buffalo since he left- they have taken a nose dive, mostly because their defense was bad this past season. Buffalo's OL was also bad, as their rushing yards/game was near the bottom of the MAC, and their passing game was in the middle of the MAC. Cole Snyder's passing stats regressed from 2022.
On to Kansas. In 2021, Leipold was 2-10/1-8. They were blown out (14 or more point loss five times0
2022- 6-7/3-6 with a bowl game. Only 2 blowouts, solid wins on Ok State and Duke
2023- Excellent third year at 8-4/5-4. First home win for Kansas over a top 10 ranked team since 1984, the first win over Oklahoma since 1997, and first win over a top 10 opponent since the 2008 Orange Bowl. Also beat a solid Iowa State.
Fair enough. But Greg is no Lance Leipold. Not even close. And other teams were looking to hire Leipold. Not so with Greg.
The Kansas rebuild may be bigger than the Rutgers rebuild, and unlike Greg, in year 3 Lance delivered big time. See above. 8-4/5-4 is far better than 6-6/3-6.
This is big disconnect.
If you view it as a binary "extend or fire" then any idea of "let's wait" is interpreted as "HC Schiano is a failure! We are the same program as when he was hired".
When nobody is saying that.
It's a disagreement that this binary exists.
Not everyone agrees "every HC needs 5+ years at all times".
You can be both "wait on an extension" and also "HC Schiano shouldn't be fired".
Is our current expected Class of 2024 tanking?
Under the premise, recruiting will tank, wouldn't that already be happening with the Class of 2024?
HC Schiano doesn't have 5 years currently under contract.
So the first class that should be tanking is the unsigned 2024.
Found yet another example of huge extension rewarded with failure. Mind you, the extensions were all after fantastic seasons, and nobody is going to call this season for Rutgers "fantastic."
Dave Aranda-
Year 1 (2020) 2-7/2-7
Year 2 (2021)- 12-2/7-2, we hit pay dirt!!! His 6 year contract was extended 2029. How did that work out?
2022: 6-7/4-4
2023: 3-9/2-7
Leipold is the only example (leaving out the blue bloods like Ohio State, Michigan, Alabama, LSU, etc) I can think of where a coach has been extended recently and actually showed that he deserved the extension and/or raise. It seems to rarely work out and only ends in buyer's remorse.
Mind you Aranda was also a hot commodity after 2021, and suitors were circling for him. THAT may justify an extension and/or raise, but that does not exist for Greg.
Sounds like this guy could be Schiano or any other colleges coaches agent. AD's need to take action (or in some cases the lack there of) to change this narrative that is part of the problem with college athletics. There needs to be some financial restraint here. He has 4 years left at $4MM a year. If he cannot recruit off that then too bad.
Besides we know what makes a successful recruiter today is much different with the portal and NIL. If the money is there (which I acknowledge is not RU's forte) kids don't care that the coach only has 4 years left on his deal. Most are looking at this as a year to year proposition these days.
#6- Dana Holgorsen- Original deal was 5 years through 2023. He got a 6 year extension
March 31, 2022- The Hair gets a 6 year hair extension following "banner" 2021 season. He was 19-15 after 3 years. How did that work out?
2019: 4-8/2-6
2020: 3-5/3-3
2021: 12-2/8-0 --woo hoo!!! Extend that man!!!
2022: 8-5/5-3 (to the tune of Tom Petty's Free Fallin')
2023 (move to Big 12): 4-8/2-7 Losing to CUSA Rice, barely beating UTSA, losing to a lame TCU, 3-9 Cincinnati (who also jumped to the Big 12) and a 6-6 UCF.
#7- speaking of TCU--Sonny Dykes
2022- Sonny Dykes takes TCU to 12-1 and CFP in his first year after TCU was 5-7 the year prior. He was reported to have 5 years left on his contract. Extend that man and give him a Big Raise!!!
How did it work out?
2023: 5-7/3-6,
Bowl eligible at 6-6, that is not a winning record at this point! Thusly my point stands.
I thought they also were 6-6, if not sorry. However I still feel the way I feel, most wins against the likes of the Temple's of the world. Heck Tom Allen just got fired.
Want to play games with semantics, go back and see how many teams played Iowa and/or Maryland closer, who are NOT bowl eligible for starters!
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What do you think happens to your old "flame" (just kidding), Aranda?
May I #8?:
Dave Clawson- Wake Forest. A solid mediocre coach by all accounts.
Prior to 2021, he was 40-45, and never had a winning record in the ACC.
2021, 11-3/7-1. Well of course, they had to extend him. Details not public, but he got a big extension to keep him at Wake for a long time. How did it work out?
2022: 8-5/3-5
2023: 4-8/1-7
3 regular winning seasons over 10 years. 8-4, 10-3 and 7-5.
Are you saying dave clawson wasnt worthy of an extension? Are you insane? LOLWhat do you think happens to your old "flame" (just kidding), Aranda?
May I #8?:
Dave Clawson- Wake Forest. A solid mediocre coach by all accounts.
Prior to 2021, he was 40-45, and never had a winning record in the ACC.
2021, 11-3/7-1. Well of course, they had to extend him. Details not public, but he got a big extension to keep him at Wake for a long time. How did it work out?
2022: 8-5/3-5
2023: 4-8/1-7
Let me simplify this... The reason teams give coaches extensions is not simply just to provide more long term stability, but also to make it more expensive for other programs/teams to hire away said coach and recoup as much money as possible for the replacement hire. This happens at all levels of college football as there is no job arguably, more valuable than an NFL HC job so literally no one is safe from leaving (Ya'll remember Saban with the Dolphins don't you?).
This leads us to Schiano, if there was a shot in the universe that another program wanted to and could hire him away from us a case can be made, their isn't... There is absolutely no reason why an athletic program that operates at a deficit should ever consider giving a man a raise/extension when he has 4 years remaing on his contract with NO ONE else coming after him. That's just reality, Greg Schiano was available for 10 years as a HC and no one wanted him, they still don't... We're just spending unneccesary money at that point. If and when the time comes where it's possible we lose greg to another job, THEN, only then do we have a conversation about an extension.
This leads us to Schiano, if there was a shot in the universe that another program wanted to and could hire him away from us a case can be made, their isn't... There is absolutely no reason why an athletic program that operates at a deficit should ever consider giving a man a raise/extension when he has 4 years remaing on his contract with NO ONE else coming after him. That's just reality, Greg Schiano was available for 10 years as a HC and no one wanted him, they still don't... We're just spending unneccesary money at that point. If and when the time comes where it's possible we lose greg to another job, THEN, only then do we have a conversation about an extension.
Aranda is definitely on the hot seat. They like him and don’t want to let him go but it’ll probably depend on what changes he’s willing to make and if they agree with them.What do you think happens to your old "flame" (just kidding), Aranda?
May I #8?:
Dave Clawson- Wake Forest. A solid mediocre coach by all accounts.
Prior to 2021, he was 40-45, and never had a winning record in the ACC.
2021, 11-3/7-1. Well of course, they had to extend him. Details not public, but he got a big extension to keep him at Wake for a long time. How did it work out?
2022: 8-5/3-5
2023: 4-8/1-7
Clawson is a good coach and doing about what you can expect from WF. Down year this year, don’t know what his contract looks like because they’re private. Can he find a solid replacement for Hartman. I didn’t pay attention to them this year.
The year after the extension they were as highly ranked as top 10 in the country. And gee, I wonder why they regressed this year. It probably has nothing and I mean NOTHING to do with the fact one of college footballs all time leading passers left wake to take 7-figures from notre dame.
But yeah, the regression this year likely has nothing to do with that.
Youre not a bright guy. Yes, that is an insult
Clawson is indeed a solid coach, but I think you and I mostly agree that going nuts with a long term extension after one great season is dumb and usually results in regret and a huge buyout later. Maybe Wake Forest is happy with mostly 6-6 regular seasons, lower bowl games, an 8-5 or better season sprinkled in every few years together with some losing seasons. But his extension was given after a 11-3 season, not a 6-6 season.
Brighter than you every day of the week, you extension-happy dimwit satisfied with 6-6.
If you dont think guys like dave clawson at WAKE FOREST deserved an extension then List out the guys you believe to be worthy of extensions. (You wont though).
You just dont comprehend the business of college sports and thats okay but just stop talking about it like you do.
This was clawsons first sub .500 regular season since 2016.
Wrong! If you are going to lob insults, don't be a mental midget yourself. K?
Worthy of extensions?
1. Lance Leipold (this year), but he got is last year because he was a hot commodity and there were suitors. THAT is one time when it MAY make sense to extend a coach. Leipold also had a proven record of turnarounds and winning at two other places.
2. Rhett Lashlee at SMU- 7-6/5-3 in year 1 followed by 10-2/8-0. He's building
3. Jeff Traylor UTSA- 7-5 then 12-2 and 11-3 in CUSA, then 8-4/7-1 in first year of the American Conference.
4. Kalen DeBoer- proven winner at 3 stops. 11-2/7-2 at UW then 12-0/9-0 this year.
5. Jedd Fisch at Arizona is a probably- 1-11/1-8 to 5-7/3-6 and 9-3/7-2. Linear progress over 3 years. Sharks are circling. They should probably hang onto him.
With no suitors for Greg and 6-6 his best record after 4 years, and 4 years remaining, you have weak arguments for an extension. I will say again, I'm glad he is our coach and looking forward to see what next year brings.
If you actually watched the games, the only game we weren't in in the 3Q if not 4Q was yesterday's defensive disappearing act.
We are not playing 4 top 15 teams next year.
We are playing one team in the current top 25...Washington....who is going to lose their QB. And only half the teams we play next year made a bowl this one.
It is possible. But it is improbable when you play 4 top 15 teams.
Again, who are the teams doing this with regularly? You can count them on one hand.
Who were they playing against. This ain’t a schiano defense it’s reality. What is WV’s record against Oklahoma? Texas? Now make believe the Big12 also had Michigan and Penn State in it.
Kansas destroyed us in 2018....it was a bigger rebuild here. And they didn't play 4 top 15 teams this year.
WVU is 8-4 but they lost to all 3 ranked teams they played. They didn't play TX and they lost to Cult worse than we did.
I think people are forgetting we play in the best division in CFB and then played 10 win Iowa team on top of that, or as he calls them, not top tier lol.
Let’s worry about next years rankings and schedule next year. It’s 2023, you don’t think Washington is gonna add an elite portal QB? You don’t think USC is going to reload? Michigan state is going to look like Oregon state east with the portal. Only wildcard is what happens with UCLA and Kelly.