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HymanKaplan

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UK football is in the top 20 for NIL. The problem isn’t money, it’s that top portal offensive players don’t want to play for Stoops.
The last 3 years despite the obvious need for a starting QB we’ve ended up with washed up players that have been passed over.
The money is there, and winning would increase it. Stoops era was over the moment he decided to eff around with Texas A and M. Barnhart didn’t even attempt to counter offer, the Aggies backed off, and are now in the top 5, we lost the bowl game, and Coen left.

Lets assume you are correct we're top 20. I doubt that highly based on our roster. Other than RB and maybe TE, we don't have a single player who would start for another SEC team. We had to move a CB to ILB for goodness sakes.

But let's assume.

Know who would be ahead of us? Everyone in the sec except vandy. So that means we're bottom two in money, which means we're bottom two in talent - so we will be bottom two in results.

UK football is absolutely dead last in revenue share which makes it hard enough just bey messaging alone. Then add the nil issue too and we just don't have the guys. Without the guys, you have to play the perfect game to win. That's not realistic.
 

notFromhere

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They also need to delete up the middle runs against a defense that shut it down basically the whole game, then try the same up the middle run in overtime

We've been doing the same things the last 3 years. Sabotaging our best opportunities against SEC opponents by playing to our opponents strengths. From Scang through BH, we've done the exact opposite on offense at key points in games and our schedule.

-We did the exact opposite of what we should've done in 2 games this year.

-We refused to run the ball against USC and Georgia last year.

-Scang refused to run the ball and ran some stupid gimmick plays that cost us at key moments.

A conspiracy theorist might think Stoops is trying to get fired. Glad I'm not that guy
 
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HymanKaplan

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Without the guys, you have to play the perfect game to win. That's not realistic.

Take a look at Indiana's roster, in relation to most of the BIG10.

I agree with you on one thing though. It's completely unrealistic to expect a perfect game with Stoops as head coach.

Here's what I say; let's take care of the things we can control FIRST, and hire a coach that can get us playing smart, and go from there. Because right now, we're stuck on stupid. And THEN we can start worrying about playing perfectly.

Talent level is not our most immediate issue.
 
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notFromhere

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Take a look at Indiana's roster, in relation to most of the BIG10.

What IU has is continuity among a conference of discontinuity. Cignetti brought along a roster from James Madison. He effectively brought a developed team of player coaches and an in place system with it. Timing is everything.

I agree with one thing though. It's completely unrealistic to expect a perfect game with Stoops as head coach.

The last closest one may be the VTech bowl game? I don't remember if there was another close to it.

Here's what I say; let's take care of the things we can, and get a coach that can get us playing smart/good, and go from there. Because right now, we're stuck on abysmal and stupid.

Without an SEC proportionate NIL and revenue plan in place for football, we won't get anyone that would stay if they had success.

Talent level is not our most immediate issue.

Agreed
 
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Lets assume you are correct we're top 20. I doubt that highly based on our roster. Other than RB and maybe TE, we don't have a single player who would start for another SEC team. We had to move a CB to ILB for goodness sakes.

But let's assume.

Know who would be ahead of us? Everyone in the sec except vandy. So that means we're bottom two in money, which means we're bottom two in talent - so we will be bottom two in results.

UK football is absolutely dead last in revenue share which makes it hard enough just bey messaging alone. Then add the nil issue too and we just don't have the guys. Without the guys, you have to play the perfect game to win. That's not realistic.
I think what Bill was saying is UK is top 20 in NIL resources, not top 20 in roster talent. He suggests the top talent won’t come play for Stoops even though they could get paid handsomely at UK. So theoretically, a simple upgrade on coaching could make a world of difference in overhauling the talent on the roster.

I suppose that may be true, though I tend to think if UK REALLY wants to step up to contender status, it will take replacing Stoops with the right coach AND being top 5 or higher in NIL roster spending. Basically make it very hard for the absolute best players to turn us down, and have the means to go poach particular impact players in the transfer portal whenever necessary.
 
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trueblujr

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Take a look at Indiana's roster, in relation to most of the BIG10.

I agree with you on one thing though. It's completely unrealistic to expect a perfect game with Stoops as head coach.

Here's what I say; let's take care of the things we can FIRST, get a coach that can get us playing smart, and go from there. Because right now, we're stuck on stupid. And THEN we can start worrying about playing perfectly.

Talent level is not our most immediate issue.
It's hard to believe IU can sustain their success for any extended period of time. But who knows. Cignetti's expectations just got a whole lot bigger with that new contract. He's not going anywhere for a while, but IU is not an easy place to recruit to. Their recent success might make it a bit easier though.

As for us, we need a coach that doesn't clam up when it appears we have a chance to win a big game. We need a risk taker. And by that I don't even mean a gimmicky, highway gambler type coach, but someone who doesn't think worst case scenario when calling plays close to or in the Red Zone. Our defense has always proven it could keep us in some ballgames. Georgia is about the only game they didn't this year. even the SC game, Two of SC's scores were from their Defense, within seconds of each other. Stoops problem has always been offensive philosophy or lack thereof. We can be having a great drive only to clam up and abandon everything we did when we get close to the red zone. I don't think he took shots at the end zone before the half or before the end of regulation when we had time because he feared an interception or a sack might take us out of FG range. you can't worry about those instances when trying to win a ball game. That's when you have to bow up and take risks. When you play to win and take risks, your team tends to respond.
 

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Why is it so hard being a Conservative and so easy being a Liberal?

When you're stupid and in a room full of other stupids, then you just ride the wave....no one will know/care if anything you did/say was worth a damn.

Conservatives have a lot of responsibilities.....keeping the country running, their families, businesses, etc.......and keeping the stupids from infiltrating.
 

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It's hard to believe IU can sustain their success for any extended period of time. But who knows. Cignetti's expectations just got a whole lot bigger with that new contract. He's not going anywhere for a while, but IU is not an easy place to recruit to. Their recent success might make it a bit easier though.

As for us, we need a coach that doesn't clam up when it appears we have a chance to win a big game. We need a risk taker. And by that I don't even mean a gimmicky, highway gambler type coach, but someone who doesn't think worst case scenario when calling plays close to or in the Red Zone. Our defense has always proven it could keep us in some ballgames. Georgia is about the only game they didn't this year. even the SC game, Two of SC's scores were from their Defense, within seconds of each other. Stoops problem has always been offensive philosophy or lack thereof. We can be having a great drive only to clam up and abandon everything we did when we get close to the red zone. I don't think he took shots at the end zone before the half or before the end of regulation when we had time because he feared an interception or a sack might take us out of FG range. you can't worry about those instances when trying to win a ball game. That's when you have to bow up and take risks. When you play to win and take risks, your team tends to respond.
Give Kingsbury the job and let him call the plays.
 

trueblujr

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I think what Bill was saying is UK is top 20 in NIL resources, not top 20 in roster talent. He suggests the top talent won’t come play for Stoops even though they could get paid handsomely at UK. So theoretically, a simple upgrade on coaching could make a world of difference in overhauling the talent on the roster.

I suppose that may be true, though I tend to think if UK REALLY wants to step up to contender status, it will take replacing Stoops with the right coach AND being top 5 or higher in NIL roster spending. Basically make it very hard for the absolute best players to turn us down, and have the means to go poach particular impact players in the transfer portal whenever necessary.
The Basketball roster proves we could step up and pay if we really wanted to. I'm honestly of the mindset, that so much of the revenue and NIL was shifted to basketball as a backhanded way to push Stoops out the door, and to get championship #9 sooner rather than later.
 

notFromhere

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Hes right but.... stop the funding. They know exactly where it comes from. Shut it down. Get doge back if needed.

It's clear to me that they don't want to stop it. If they wanted to stop ALL of this, they would.

Have they done anything about the funding of fhe riots during Trump's first term? We all knew it was funded by Soros and such back then, but they've done nothing and haven't mentioned it.

There's more things like that. That's just one. Nice theater and all, but the CR bs is easily fixed. They just keep playing games.

Ukraine and Gaza seem like the same issue to me. Both were created conflicts. After our agencies helped oust the previous leader of Ukraine, Kiev started shelling Donbas. In spite of Russia saying they will invade if they dont stop, they refused to stop for 7 yrs. So Russia invades.

TCarlson and several others who have been to that border mentioned that October 7th couldn't have occurred if the Israeli govt had their usual security in place. For 7 hours there supposedly was no response from anyone. Some of the people who revealed this are no longer breathing or talking.

Trump gets a Gaza peace deal signed. Everything is good. Turns off faucets/weapons to Ukraine to force a peace deal. Israel bombs Gaza again. I don't have time to look at the previous timeline to see if there is this kind of pattern.

Just seems awfully coincidental.
 

cole@854

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Talent level is not our most immediate issue.

It all goes hand in hand. UK has generally had one or two NFL caliber players, but low-mid tier talent otherwise, and some who don't belong at this level. Same w/ this team, especuially at the skill level positions....WR/QB/RB/DB.....no elite players to be found. Boley willl be a decent QB in time, but he isn't SEC caliber for the most part.
 
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trueblujr

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Give Kingsbury the job and let him call the plays.
Kingsbury was like Mumme as a college head coach, started out gangbusters, but eventually fell into mediocrity and has a losing record at Texas Tech and with the Arizona Cardinals. He's a better OC than a Head Coach. Zero emphasis on defense. But yeah, he could light up a scoreboard.
 
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trueblujr

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It all goes hand in hand. UK has generally had one or two NFL caliber players, but low-mid tier talent otherwise, and some who don't belong at this level. Same w/ this team, especuially at the skill level positions....WR/QB/RB/DB.....no elite players to be found. Boley willl be a decent QB in time, but he isn't SEC caliber for the most part.
Completely false. really bad take. The Texas fans sitting around me in the stadium were ready to trade Manning for Boley. Nothing but good to say about how he was playing, and they know a thing or two about football. Boley has all of five career starts. He's shown marked improvement from the SC game to this one. How many sacks did he avoid with his feet against Texas. He's at the mercy of his coaches playcalling now. With time and the right coaches calling plays for him, he could easily be a top 5 SEC QB. Boley hasn't been our problem the last two games, far from it.
 

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How does a King have his own government shut down against his wishes?

two men are standing in a kitchen one is wearing a tie
 

cole@854

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Completely false. really bad take. The Texas fans sitting around me in the stadium were ready to trade Manning for Boley. Nothing but good to say about how he was playing, and they know a thing or two about football. Boley has all of five career starts. He's shown marked improvement from the SC game to this one. How many sacks did he avoid with his feet against Texas. He's at the mercy of his coaches playcalling now. With time and the right coaches calling plays for him, he could easily be a top 5 SEC QB. Boley hasn't been our problem the last two games, far from it.

I am spot on. Boley's stats are misleading.....he had the Couch-like side to side game but nothing much else. He's a deer in headlights and panics with pressure and was fortunate on his scramble that the field was wide open. Boley will never be a top 5 SEC QB, and in a few years will be watching Manning get drafted. If you are counting on Boley to lead this team to wins, you will be sorely disappointed.
 

HymanKaplan

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It all goes hand in hand. UK has generally had one or two NFL caliber players, but low-mid tier talent otherwise, and some who don't belong at this level. Same w/ this team, especuially at the skill level positions....WR/QB/RB/DB.....no elite players to be found. Boley willl be a decent QB in time, but he isn't SEC caliber for the most part.
I never meant to imply that it didn't. But no rational person can look at this team, and say that the talent they DO have is being used to it's full potential. And so, again; until you have competent coaching, it's pointless to even discuss what we don't have (yet)

That's problem solving 101: prioritize, fix, and then move on to the next issue.

And re: your Boley take, I think it's fair to point out that very recently you were trying to convince everyone on here how great Arch Manning is. LOL So don't take offense if I don't take your QB evaluations seriously.
 
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trueblujr

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I am spot on. Boley's stats are misleading.....he had the Couch-like side to side game but nothing much else. He's a deer in headlights and panics with pressure and was fortunate on his scramble that the field was wide open. Boley will never be a top 5 SEC QB, and in a few years will be watching Manning get drafted. If you are counting on Boley to lead this team to wins, you will be sorely disappointed.
Sounds like politics are about the only thing you and I will ever agree on, LOL.
 

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Countries dedicated to representative government don’t cancel elections because of war. Rulers afraid of the public vote and desperate for power make excuses to cancel elections.
Easy to generalize on representative governments w/o going into specifics as to how long a county has had such/tried to have such a government & the difficulties experienced, both internal & external, with it. But you're the expert in generalizations.
 
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vhcat1970

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Boley and Manning are almost carbon copies of each other.
I don't see it that way. Boley more accurate. Both have downfield vision issues but Boley is at least improving. Manning the better runner but not a lot.
We got the better version right now though. Boley has improved leaps and bounds since that SC game.
Agree & don't see why Boley won't also be the better long term. He'll do the school who has him in future seasons well.
 
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