Poll: Milking the Clock
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If it wins the game.... why not? At this point in the season, its all about winning by all means. If a long, slow drives keeps the other teams offense off the field for most of the game and a team wins because they are "milking" the clock, then that team did a great job and gets to keep playing another week.
I just hate it when the ref helps teams milk clock by delaying play clock starting. That's the biggest problem I have with milking clock. Ball should be blown ready for play same for a slow team as it is for a no huddle hurry up team. When ball is ready for play, it's ready for play.
I know honaker will be playing keep away Saturday 
This post was edited on 11/20 8:08 PM by bravesfan7327
This post was edited on 11/20 8:08 PM by bravesfan7327
HR6 I will agree that the play clock needs to be blown in the same for both teams. I also have a problem with substitutions into a huddle that has 11 already but that's another subject. In the end it appears you just do not like teams that are run heavy. That does not mean they milk the clock though. Just how many plays should a team expect to run in a typical HS game? I am guessing but I would think that both teams evenly matched should run between 38-48. Of course some teams run much more tempo and can get in upwards of 60+. All in all as others have pointed out you must play to your strengths. If 40 plays on 7 possessions a game scores you 35pts, it's a great night. Everybody would love to score what amounts to a point per play (for 7 plays = 7 points), but that is not practical for most teams. While I read a lot of talk about spread versus run heavy, in my opinion the spread relys much more on having multiple skill position players that are above average talent. A solid run team usually is not as heavily dependent on multiple skill players. Both have their strengths and I enjoy watching both. I also do not look upon one as the be all end all of HS offense to run. Sorry I got long winded but you have posted ten different ways recently that basically run heavy teams are not your thing. I can respect that but this thread is all about putting a negative light on the run heavy offenses that are still in th playoffs. I am not trying to attack you personally so please do not take it that way. I have read and learned a lot from the posters on here. Just wish there was a little more understanding in regards the difficulty of most 1A and 2A schools when it comes to having 3-4 highly skilled position players. Ok, rant over.
I think you are correct bravesfan but if need be we have other weapons and can be successful in different formations, agree! I like bein known as a power run team but we actually have a balanced offense!! And if you tey the ole 3 yrds and a cloud of pellets then you have to capitalize on almost every drive!! If we can I say milk it baby milk it!!!
I am guessing this most recent post was prompted by the story in today's Lynchburg paper about the Altavista/Central Lunenburg game. The story more of less said that the Chargers were going to try to control the clock, which is completely different that milking the clock.
And you know what? That's how Central might have a chance to win this game.
Last week against West Point, Altavista put up 49 points in the first half on 8 offensive snaps. Five offensive TDs, a pick six and a punt return for score in the first half. They scored on their first THREE SNAPS. It was 35-0 with 11:30 left in the second quarter. How do you defend a team like that, well first off you don't let them have the ball. Of those five offensive scores you had FOUR different players score, and while Thornhill had two, one was running and one was receiving (he had another throwing). Altavista's offensive was on the field maybe five minutes of game clock in the first half and they scored five times.
The way to stop that is to control the clock with long methodical drives of your own. I don't think there is a team in the state that wants to get in a shootout with Altavista. If you are going to beat the Colonels you need to keep the offense off the field. Guess what, IF Altavista wins, PM or W&L is going to try to do the same thing, as will every other team going forward.
And you know what? That's how Central might have a chance to win this game.
Last week against West Point, Altavista put up 49 points in the first half on 8 offensive snaps. Five offensive TDs, a pick six and a punt return for score in the first half. They scored on their first THREE SNAPS. It was 35-0 with 11:30 left in the second quarter. How do you defend a team like that, well first off you don't let them have the ball. Of those five offensive scores you had FOUR different players score, and while Thornhill had two, one was running and one was receiving (he had another throwing). Altavista's offensive was on the field maybe five minutes of game clock in the first half and they scored five times.
The way to stop that is to control the clock with long methodical drives of your own. I don't think there is a team in the state that wants to get in a shootout with Altavista. If you are going to beat the Colonels you need to keep the offense off the field. Guess what, IF Altavista wins, PM or W&L is going to try to do the same thing, as will every other team going forward.
I've said it all year, that's the only strategy that MIGHT keep you in the game against Altavista. The problem is, it's hard to control the ball against this team, because their defense is just so stout.
Kudos to Altavista. that's the way to play football. Score early and quickly, get game over with, rest starters, get reserves some playing time.
J82, you are correct, I was prompted by the newspaper article, and I hate it when teams employ that scheme and the ref aids them. If refs don't delay, the slow teams cannot stall as well. But when they wait til QB goes to sideline to get play and return to huddle before blowing whistle RFP, that's cheating for one team.
J82, you are correct, I was prompted by the newspaper article, and I hate it when teams employ that scheme and the ref aids them. If refs don't delay, the slow teams cannot stall as well. But when they wait til QB goes to sideline to get play and return to huddle before blowing whistle RFP, that's cheating for one team.
The main thing with the ready for play whistle is for the referee to be consistent, that's what they are told. If you pay close attention no 2 refs do it the same way. Some refs wait for the game clock to be on "0" or "5" every time. So yes if when the ball is placed down and say there is 7:34 on the clock they will wait until 7:30 to blow the ready for play. If the clock is 7:37 they will blow the ready for play at 7:35, but as long as they are consistent that's what they are told to do. Some will blow it immediately no matter what the clock says, that's why one official keeps a 25 watch and some build in time on their own, do not know why they just do. When you officiate with different white hats and you have the RFP you better get it straight in pre-game.
As far as run heavy v. throwing all over the stadium, I do not think anyone would say watching a Giles game is ever boring and as long as you are not standing on the other side line trying to stop them I will admit it is fun to watch, not so much trying to defend though, a migraine. I would say the same for Riverheads, the only time I saw them play it was far from boring. I've seen Giles put plenty of points on the board and maybe throw 3-4 times the entire game. What's the old saying when you throw 3 things can happen and 2 are bad. I also seem to remember a few years ago Riverheads scored 60+ points in the state championship game against the throw every play East Mont team, of course I think East Mont had upper 40's low 50's in the game.
As far as run heavy v. throwing all over the stadium, I do not think anyone would say watching a Giles game is ever boring and as long as you are not standing on the other side line trying to stop them I will admit it is fun to watch, not so much trying to defend though, a migraine. I would say the same for Riverheads, the only time I saw them play it was far from boring. I've seen Giles put plenty of points on the board and maybe throw 3-4 times the entire game. What's the old saying when you throw 3 things can happen and 2 are bad. I also seem to remember a few years ago Riverheads scored 60+ points in the state championship game against the throw every play East Mont team, of course I think East Mont had upper 40's low 50's in the game.
I agree 100% hokieheelzfan.....the Colonel defense is not only fast but they will punch you in the mouth and create turnovers to make you change your game plan. A team like the Colonels only comes around every once in awhile (sometimes never). They have so many weapons not only offensively, but defensively as well. In all my years being involved in high school sports I have never seen a team (in any sport) that has had this much talent, if one player gets hurt then another steps right into that role and the team never misses a beat. There are so many athletic kids on this team that the 2nd and 3rd stringers could go to any other 1A school in the state and be a starter. For those that do not know I will mention 3: 1st Navy Jones (Jefferson Forest RB), 2nd Daquan Myers (Brookville RB), and 3rd Perry Comer (Heritage QB) all three were backups on this Colonel team.
I'm not saying that the Colonels can't be beat, because they can but you better bring your A game.
I'm not saying that the Colonels can't be beat, because they can but you better bring your A game.
If Giles happens to get a lead Saturday I hope like heck we milk the clock as much as possible cause all I'm worried about is getting "W's"....don't care how cool we look or how many points we score as long as we have more points than Lee at the end of the game
Score is all that matters.....Not style points
Score is all that matters.....Not style points
I saw the EM-RH game at Salem. EM had bad defense.
Even though they are a running team Giles is a "quick strike" team. They score quickly a lot of times without draining the clock. If I recall correctly, most of their games this season have been decided by halftime.
Even though they are a running team Giles is a "quick strike" team. They score quickly a lot of times without draining the clock. If I recall correctly, most of their games this season have been decided by halftime.
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I have heard several people comment this week, that when they see Altavista now, they "see Gretna team of the past".
I have heard several people comment this week, that when they see Altavista now, they "see Gretna team of the past".
funny you said that HR6
last Friday after the Essex game, I went to grab a bite to eat in town (and get out of the cold ha). Anyway, in line (I had my purple jacket on) the cashier guy (young 20s) said "hey did yall win tonight?" I responded "of course, what kind of question is that, you must be a W&L fan ha." He said that "I wish yall had lost ha and yes I am a W&L fan ha." Others came around (some Essex people), briefly discussed PM game (someone mentioned if they can stop Dawson, the Eagles will win etc." I found it interesting how many people pay attention (even if they can't or don't make it to the games).
Anyway, the W&L fan started talking about who would have the best shot at beating AltaVista. Of course, he said the Eagles. He then said from what everybody I talk to say they are the new Gretna out that way. He said that everybody good from Gretna went to AltaVista etc. I just said that "I don't know about that but they sure do sound good like them old Gretna teams."
I hope that W&L gets their shot at the defending champs next week. I agree that the PM v W&L game should be a good one. Will be listening to all the updates at the game. Go Eagles.
last Friday after the Essex game, I went to grab a bite to eat in town (and get out of the cold ha). Anyway, in line (I had my purple jacket on) the cashier guy (young 20s) said "hey did yall win tonight?" I responded "of course, what kind of question is that, you must be a W&L fan ha." He said that "I wish yall had lost ha and yes I am a W&L fan ha." Others came around (some Essex people), briefly discussed PM game (someone mentioned if they can stop Dawson, the Eagles will win etc." I found it interesting how many people pay attention (even if they can't or don't make it to the games).
Anyway, the W&L fan started talking about who would have the best shot at beating AltaVista. Of course, he said the Eagles. He then said from what everybody I talk to say they are the new Gretna out that way. He said that everybody good from Gretna went to AltaVista etc. I just said that "I don't know about that but they sure do sound good like them old Gretna teams."
I hope that W&L gets their shot at the defending champs next week. I agree that the PM v W&L game should be a good one. Will be listening to all the updates at the game. Go Eagles.
EM had a small, but quick defense that year. Far from "bad".
Problem is, Riverheads Oline was, as always, humongous. I knew going in that it was going to be a high scoring affair because Riverheads was/is so big on the line, but was susceptible to big plays in the passing game.
Riverheads made a few stops on D while EM just could not get off the field to save their lives because of that push up front.
Problem is, Riverheads Oline was, as always, humongous. I knew going in that it was going to be a high scoring affair because Riverheads was/is so big on the line, but was susceptible to big plays in the passing game.
Riverheads made a few stops on D while EM just could not get off the field to save their lives because of that push up front.