previously discussed, but beating the drum once again

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what??? and the sport didn't fall apart on account of that dominance?
Not only didn't fall apart, but only ever heard Lorenzo and Fritz talk about working harder to get better so they could beat Iowa. JR worker harder building a program good enough to beat Iowa, so did Coach Smith. No Lion, Gopher, Cowboy whining just work harder.
I can't believe that binder Larry Lee gave to Tom didn't address work harder at getting better. Don't whine, whining is for wusses.
 

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It is hard to fathom that we could make a legitimate argument for 8 champs. My mind is currently trying to comprehend that as well. Crazy times, just enjoy what we have right now.
Nationals are a cauldron that bubbles up more than the expected number of unexpected results. Literally anything can happen, so best to temper our expectations and try our best to enjoy the competition. Based on our history, most of our guys will wrestle to seed or better. A few will taste defeat and wrestle well on the backside. One thing we can feel confident in is the final team Results and Cael’s ability to keep it real.
 
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Nationals are a cauldron that bubbles up more than the expected number of unexpected results. Literally anything can happen, so best to temper our expectations and try our best to enjoy the competition. Based on our history, most of our guys will wrestle to seed or better. A few will taste defeat and wrestle well on the backside. One thing we can feel confident in is the final team Results and Cael’s ability to keep it real.
Agree, but I never said I expect 8 finalists. All I am saying is that it is crazy that we can even have a legitimate conversation about it. In the past, we made arguments with thinking we can potentially have 4-5. That's why I said just enjoy what we have.
 
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NCAA bonus points last year.

Luke - 5
Davis - 3
Beau - 1
SVN - 6
Kasak - 5
Mitch - 4
Levi - 3
Carter - 4
Barr - 2
Kerk - 1.5
Team -34.5
Expected paths, with seeds based on possible finishes at B1Gs and examples of guys they might face:

  • Luke #1-4 seed gets #29-32 (Sotello, TF), #13-16 (Moran, MD), #5-8 (Poulin, Dec), #1-4 (Bouzakis, Dec), #1-4 (Ventresca, Dec) to win a championship - 2.5-3.5 BPs expected
  • Marcus #1-#5 seed gets #28-33 (Shawver, TF), #11-#16 (Andrick, MD), #4-#8 (Larkin, Dec), #1-#4 (Davino, Dec), #1-#4 (Forrest, Dec) to win a championship - 2-3 BPs
  • Davis #12-#15 seed, gets #18-#21 (Drury, MD), gets #2-5 (Echemedia, loss), needs two wins against probably lower seeded guys (Singleton, Manville) to get to the blood round where he will face all higher seeded guys. 1-2 BPs
  • SVN #1 seed - gets #32 (Denkins, Fall), #16 (Rivera, MD), #8 (Stiles, MD), #4 (Buesgens, MD), #2 (Joy, Dec) - @4.5-5.5 BPs (some MDs could be Dec, also he could get another fall)
  • Duke #2 - #6 seed - gets #27-31 (Buell, TF), #11-#15 (Williams, Dec), #3-#7 (Larkin, Dec), #2-#3 (Taylor, Dec), #1 (Shapiro, Dec). If he loses in the quarters or semis, chance for an additional bonus point or 2 - 1.5-2.5 BPs
  • Mitch #1 - gets #32 (Church, TF), #16 (Filipowicz, Fall), #8 Scoles (TF), #4 (Caliendo, Dec), #2-3 (Blaze, Dec) - 5.5-6 BPs
  • Levi #1 - gets #32 (Desiante, Fall), #16 (Takats, TF), #8 (Singleton, MD), #4 (Minto, Dec), #2 (Ruiz, Dec) - 4.5-5 BPs
  • Rocco #1-4 seed gets #29-32 (Campos, MD), #13-16 (Ayzerov, MD), #5-8 (Allred, Dec), #1-4 (McEnelly, Dec), #1-2 (Sinclair, Dec). If he drops his semi probably gets something like Fishback or Mantanona in the consy semis - 2-3 BPs
  • Barr #1 seed gets #32 (Davis, TF), #16 (Cotton, TF), #8 (Stout, MD), #4 (Novak, Dec), #2 (Elam, Dec) - could see him getting a MD in one of those last 2 but maybe not - 4-5 BPs
  • Cole #5-12 seed (pretty wide variance depending on B1G performance, could get the 3 seed but I have a hard time seeing him win B1Gs) - MD is his first match and then he is in decision territory on the front side. Highly dependent on how much time he spends on the backside - 1-3 BPs
I have a range of 28 to 38 bonus points, but that's with things pretty much to chalk which is usually not the case. 38 would be really hard and might mean we don't do as well on the front side as we should. We could even dip under 28 and that might mean we are MORE successful on the front side than expected. IIRC we racked up a LOT of our bonus points last year in Round 1 and on Saturday morning to end up with 34.5. I would be disappointed if that was the scenario again.

I'd say the most likely total is about 32.

Looking at seeds, I think we are good for #1s with the big 4 (SVN, Mitch, Levi, Barr) and we have 3 other guys who could wrestle their way to #1 at B1Gs. Don't see a path for PJ, Davis, or Cole to get a #1 seed and we could see Davis and Cole outside of the top 10 depending on B1Gs.
 
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I don't know what you guys are doing for the BIGs but I know I will be enjoying the tournament with either a good cigar or pipe with a few glasses of bourbon in the new addition I just built off of my garage. I made it into a cigar and pipe lounge for cold days when I cannot sit outside to smoke. TV mounted over a Nat Gas ventless fireplace. Bought a hutch at a yard sale, sanded it down and stained it for my humidor, pipes and tobaccos, and all of my bourbons and whiskies. Installed an ERV to pull in fresh air. Totally excited for the BIGs and Natty!
 

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Expected paths, with seeds based on possible finishes at B1Gs and examples of guys they might face:

  • Luke #1-4 seed gets #29-32 (Sotello, TF), #13-16 (Moran, MD), #5-8 (Poulin, Dec), #1-4 (Bouzakis, Dec), #1-4 (Ventresca, Dec) to win a championship - 2.5-3.5 BPs expected
  • Marcus #1-#5 seed gets #28-33 (Shawver, TF), #11-#16 (Andrick, MD), #4-#8 (Larkin, Dec), #1-#4 (Davino, Dec), #1-#4 (Forrest, Dec) to win a championship - 2-3 BPs
  • Davis #12-#15 seed, gets #18-#21 (Drury, MD), gets #2-5 (Echemedia, loss), needs two wins against probably lower seeded guys (Singleton, Manville) to get to the blood round where he will face all higher seeded guys. 1-2 BPs
  • SVN #1 seed - gets #32 (Denkins, Fall), #16 (Rivera, MD), #8 (Stiles, MD), #4 (Buesgens, MD), #2 (Joy, Dec) - @4.5-5.5 BPs (some MDs could be Dec, also he could get another fall)
  • Duke #2 - #6 seed - gets #27-31 (Buell, TF), #11-#15 (Williams, Dec), #3-#7 (Larkin, Dec), #2-#3 (Taylor, Dec), #1 (Shapiro, Dec). If he loses in the quarters or semis, chance for an additional bonus point or 2 - 1.5-2.5 BPs
  • Mitch #1 - gets #32 (Church, TF), #16 (Filipowicz, Fall), #8 Scoles (TF), #4 (Caliendo, Dec), #2-3 (Blaze, Dec) - 5.5-6 BPs
  • Levi #1 - gets #32 (Desiante, Fall), #16 (Takats, TF), #8 (Singleton, MD), #4 (Minto, Dec), #2 (Ruiz, Dec) - 4.5-5 BPs
  • Rocco #1-4 seed gets #29-32 (Campos, MD), #13-16 (Ayzerov, MD), #5-8 (Allred, Dec), #1-4 (McEnelly, Dec), #1-2 (Sinclair, Dec). If he drops his semi probably gets something like Fishback or Mantanona in the consy semis - 2-3 BPs
  • Barr #1 seed gets #32 (Davis, TF), #16 (Cotton, TF), #8 (Stout, MD), #4 (Novak, Dec), #2 (Elam, Dec) - could see him getting a MD in one of those last 2 but maybe not - 4-5 BPs
  • Cole #5-12 seed (pretty wide variance depending on B1G performance, could get the 3 seed but I have a hard time seeing him win B1Gs) - MD is his first match and then he is in decision territory on the front side. Highly dependent on how much time he spends on the backside - 1-3 BPs
I have a range of 28 to 38 bonus points, but that's with things pretty much to chalk which is usually not the case. 38 would be really hard and might mean we don't do as well on the front side as we should. We could even dip under 28 and that might mean we are MORE successful on the front side than expected. IIRC we racked up a LOT of our bonus points last year in Round 1 and on Saturday morning to end up with 34.5. I would be disappointed if that was the scenario again.

I'd say the most likely total is about 32.

Looking at seeds, I think we are good for #1s with the big 4 (SVN, Mitch, Levi, Barr) and we have 3 other guys who could wrestle their way to #1 at B1Gs. Don't see a path for PJ, Davis, or Cole to get a #1 seed and we could see Davis and Cole outside of the top 10 depending on B1Gs.
Bonus was perfectly evenly split between championship and consolation. Similarly, but at opposite ends of the bracket, PSU dominated round one (1.4 bonus per) and the third place matches (1.2 bonus per).

65.2% (22.5 of 34.5) of points came on the front side while 65.3% (32 of 49) of the matches were on the front side.

 
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I don't know what you guys are doing for the BIGs but I know I will be enjoying the tournament with either a good cigar or pipe with a few glasses of bourbon in the new addition I just built off of my garage. I made it into a cigar and pipe lounge for cold days when I cannot sit outside to smoke. TV mounted over a Nat Gas ventless fireplace. Bought a hutch at a yard sale, sanded it down and stained it for my humidor, pipes and tobaccos, and all of my bourbons and whiskies. Installed an ERV to pull in fresh air. Totally excited for the BIGs and Natty!
A man with a plan. Very nice.
 
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Bonus was perfectly evenly split between championship and consolation. Similarly, but at opposite ends of the bracket, PSU dominated round one (1.4 bonus per) and the third place matches (1.2 bonus per).

65.2% (22.5 of 34.5) came on the front side while 65.3% (32 of 49) of the matches were on the front side.

Josh and Kerkvliet scored a combined 3.5 Bonus points at last year's NCAA tournament. I anticipate an improvement in those two weights this year. I think Mitchell ups his Bonus points. I think the combined total with Luke and SVN will be very hard to reach this year. How many Bonus points the team scores this year compared to last year will be interesting to see.
 

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Bonus was perfectly evenly split between championship and consolation. Similarly, but at opposite ends of the bracket, PSU dominated round one (1.4 bonus per) and the third place matches (1.2 bonus per).

65.2% (22.5 of 34.5) came on the front side while 65.3% (32 of 49) of the matches were on the front side.

@Wrestleknownothing I thought I would reply here to your comments below on HR since I didn't want to make their thread too PSU-centric and come across as being rude there : )

"As for predicting PSU's score they have an annoying habit of wrestling very close to seed in spite of their very high seeds. This means they will consistently out-perform my basic model which assumes field-average performance to seed. So, a couple years back I came up with a PSU adjustment. It is a bit of junk statistics though given the relatively small sample size. Last year based on field-average performance stats I had PSU at 156 points. Using the adjustment factor I had them at 181."

That "PSU adjustment" of yours was very accurate for last year. Once the NCAA seeds are finalized after the conference tournaments I will be interested to see what your PSU adjustment spits out for this year's NCAA tournament : )
 
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@Wrestleknownothing I thought I would reply here to your comments below on HR since I didn't want to make their thread to PSU-centric and come across as being rude there : )

"As for predicting PSU's score they have an annoying habit of wrestling very close to seed in spite of their very high seeds. This means they will consistently out-perform my basic model which assumes field-average performance to seed. So, a couple years back I came up with a PSU adjustment. It is a bit of junk statistics though given the relatively small sample size. Last year based on field-average performance stats I had PSU at 156 points. Using the adjustment factor I had them at 181."

That "PSU adjustment" of yours was very accurate for last year. Once the NCAA seeds are finalized after the conference tournaments I will be interested to see what your PSU adjustment spits out for this year's NCAA tournament : )
Smart. After I responded it ocurred to me that we were on the Iowa board. Oops.
 

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I know that PSU has wrestled well to seed or above in the past, but even for PSU, it simply has to become harder and harder to wrestle to seed on average when you have 4, 5 or 6 #1 seeds and basically the rest of the team is all clustered just behind that. At some point there almost has to be a disappointment or two, although I hope that I'm wrong and PSU keeps doing what PSU does.
 
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I know that PSU has wrestled well to seed or above in the past, but even for PSU, it simply has to become harder and harder to wrestle to seed on average when you have 4, 5 or 6 #1 seeds and basically the rest of the team is all clustered just behind that. At some point there almost has to be a disappointment or two, although I hope that I'm wrong and PSU keeps doing what PSU does.
Correct, that is why I just tell everyone to enjoy what we have now. Every year it seems as though that there is a random wrestler from a school that nobody heard of that has an outstanding run at the NCAAs. Lets just hope we see excellent wrestling.
 

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I don't know what you guys are doing for the BIGs but I know I will be enjoying the tournament with either a good cigar or pipe with a few glasses of bourbon in the new addition I just built off of my garage. I made it into a cigar and pipe lounge for cold days when I cannot sit outside to smoke. TV mounted over a Nat Gas ventless fireplace. Bought a hutch at a yard sale, sanded it down and stained it for my humidor, pipes and tobaccos, and all of my bourbons and whiskies. Installed an ERV to pull in fresh air. Totally excited for the BIGs and Natty!
What's the address 😄
 
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What's the plan?? Squat till after natties is over?? He didn't mention the food that is provided.. I can bring chips..
I plan on smoking something but I have not decided between brisket and pork shoulder. Sides will likely be a veggie tray, my wife's home made sourdough soft pretzel bites with spicey mustard sauce or a home made cheese dip. There are other things friends of mine are bringing. For desert, a good bourbon paired with either a pipe or cigar. Unsure what bourbon yet, Blanton's, Basil Hayden, Thomas S Moore, or something I bought up at the finger lakes. As for a cigars, I am going to smoke one or two of the following each day: Oliva Serie V, La Gloria Cubana Serie R Maduro or a San Cristobal. Pipe tobacco list: All Boswell blends, so pick one lol.
 

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I posted this in another thread late last night after Flo's newest rankings came out:

Flo just came out with their newest rankings tonight. In the team race Penn State leads Ohio State 160 to 95.5 without bonus points included.

125-- Luke #1
133-- Marcus #2
141-- Braeden #13
149-- SVN #1
157-- PJ #4
165-- MM #1
174-- Levi #1
184-- Rocco #1
197-- Barr #1
285-- Cole #5

Here is my guess for bonus points for the NCAA tournament:

Mitchell-- 7+
Barr-- 6+
Levi-- 5+
SVN-- 3.5+
Luke-- 3.5+
Duke-- 4.5+
Blaze-- 3.5+
Welsh-- 2.5+
Davis-- 3.5+ (which includes some bonus points in the consolation bracket)
Mirasola-- 3.5+ (which includes some bonus points in the consolation bracket)

**42.5 total**

That would come out to basically a best case scenario of 202.5 team points. Since Penn State has six wrestlers at #1 and one at #2, placement points-wise we are nearly maxed out for those seven weights. I am fairly confident PJ will place higher than #4 and it wouldn't surprise me to see Braeden AA. It is hard for me to gauge where Cole is in relation to his #5 ranking, but any placement between 4-8 seems reasonable. Time will tell, but the NCAA team score record of 177.5 (corrected for today's team scoring criteria) in 1992 by Iowa and Penn State's 177 points last season looks to definitely be in jeopardy.

Edit: As a hypothetical based upon their current rankings, Braeden placing #8 would add four points, PJ placing #2 would add 3.5 points and Cole placing #4 would add 2.5 points for a total of ten additional team points.
Saying adjusted team score is the same as Saying Iowa national championship when there was no championship or Collin Moore national champ.
1992 Iowa had a half point more if you re-score them using today's scoring rules for bonus, advancement, and placement. So I would argue that PSU does not have the scoring record. Yet.
Argue all you want. You are wrong because your re-score is a fantasy!
 

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Not only didn't fall apart, but only ever heard Lorenzo and Fritz talk about working harder to get better so they could beat Iowa. JR worker harder building a program good enough to beat Iowa, so did Coach Smith. No Lion, Gopher, Cowboy whining just work harder.
I can't believe that binder Larry Lee gave to Tom didn't address work harder at getting better. Don't whine, whining is for wusses.
This. Instead of complaining and sulking, teams did something about it. To get better, be better. And to be better, get better. I have always believed Minnesota in 2001 was so special not only because of having 10 AA's, no finalist and winning the team title in Iowa City but because of how hard they worked to win it. It took a lot of years to overcome Iowa during that time. Not saying it is going to happen to Penn State anytime soon but when it does, it will be an incredible feat for a team who does beat them. Penn State is king right now and the dynasty built is unprecedented even during an NIL and Transfer Portal.
 
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This. Instead of complaining and sulking, teams did something about it. To get better, be better. And to be better, get better. I have always believed Minnesota in 2001 was so special not only because of having 10 AA's, no finalist and winning the team title in Iowa City but because of how hard they worked to win it. It took a lot of years to overcome Iowa during that time. Not saying it is going to happen to Penn State anytime soon but when it does, it will be an incredible feat for a team who does beat them. Penn State is king right now and the dynasty built is unprecedented even during an NIL and Transfer Portal.
Minnesota had a helluva tournament, but runner-up Iowa had a great tournament also. Iowa scored 125 points which would have won 6 of the previous 10 tournaments. Whoever beats PSU will have to have a great tournament because PSU will have an outstanding tournament also.
 

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Saying adjusted team score is the same as Saying Iowa national championship when there was no championship or Collin Moore national champ.

Argue all you want. You are wrong because your re-score is a fantasy!
An exclamation point at the end of your thoughts doesn't substitute for making a sound argument. Your two comparisons have no relevance to the re-score Wrestleknownothing has done. Neither Iowa nor Moore actually competed whereas different team scoring in different eras compares actual outcomes throughout the years. If a pin is worth one team point one year and suddenly it is worth two points the next year, then re-scoring the results only makes sense.
 
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An exclamation point at the end of your thoughts doesn't substitute for making a sound argument. Your two comparisons have no relevance to the re-score Wrestleknownothing has done. Neither Iowa nor Moore actually competed whereas different team scoring in different eras compares actual outcomes throughout the years. If a pin is worth one team point one year and suddenly it is worth two points the next year, then re-scoring the results only makes sense.
It would only cross over into fantasy if I attempted to de-inflate PSU's bonus scores to account for the difference between a 2 point TD and a 3 point TD. In theory you could do that for major decisions if you choose to ignore that a match would be wrestled different as a barrier is approached. But tech falls are problematic. They prematurely end a match and there is no way to account for what would have happened had the match not ended earlier. It could have ended as a major, or the wrestler could have kept pressing to get the tech, or with the extra time afforded he may have secured the pinfall. For that reason I have never wasted time attempting that.
 

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Nationals are a cauldron that bubbles up more than the expected number of unexpected results. Literally anything can happen, so best to temper our expectations and try our best to enjoy the competition. Based on our history, most of our guys will wrestle to seed or better. A few will taste defeat and wrestle well on the backside. One thing we can feel confident in is the final team Results and Cael’s ability to keep it real.
There are so many great young wrestlers this year there is bound to be upsets for sure. I'm not going to like it but I've accepted it maybe we get 6. Hopefully someone will respond to this post after nationals telling me it didn't age well lol
 

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I don't know what you guys are doing for the BIGs but I know I will be enjoying the tournament with either a good cigar or pipe with a few glasses of bourbon in the new addition I just built off of my garage. I made it into a cigar and pipe lounge for cold days when I cannot sit outside to smoke. TV mounted over a Nat Gas ventless fireplace. Bought a hutch at a yard sale, sanded it down and stained it for my humidor, pipes and tobaccos, and all of my bourbons and whiskies. Installed an ERV to pull in fresh air. Totally excited for the BIGs and Natty!
Is it sound proof can't be waking any neighbors lol
 

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I plan on smoking something but I have not decided between brisket and pork shoulder. Sides will likely be a veggie tray, my wife's home made sourdough soft pretzel bites with spicey mustard sauce or a home made cheese dip. There are other things friends of mine are bringing. For desert, a good bourbon paired with either a pipe or cigar. Unsure what bourbon yet, Blanton's, Basil Hayden, Thomas S Moore, or something I bought up at the finger lakes. As for a cigars, I am going to smoke one or two of the following each day: Oliva Serie V, La Gloria Cubana Serie R Maduro or a San Cristobal. Pipe tobacco list: All Boswell blends, so pick one lol.
COA Brazzilia
 
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COA Brazzilia
Cannot go wrong with any of the CAO line. Nor can you go wrong with the Oliva line. Keep in mind that Nub is made by Oliva. I really enjoy Nub cigars. If you are looking for a good smoke that will not break the bank, I suggest Diesel, La Aroma De Cuba, El Rey Del Mundo are great choices.
 

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NCAA bonus points last year vs this year

Luke - 5 Luke 5
Davis - 3 Blaze 3
Beau - 1 Scooter 1
SVN - 6 SVN 5
Kasak - 5 PJ 3.5
Mitch - 4 Mitch 5
Levi - 3 Levi 4
Carter - 4 Rocco 3.5
Barr - 2 Barr 3.5
Kerk - 1.5 Cole 2
Team -34.5 TEAM 35.5

The big question is how many champions this year?
5
is expected.. Luke, SVN, Mitch, Levi, Barr
6 is very realistic... Luke, SVN, Mitch, Levi, Rocco, Barr
7 is not out of the question... either Blaze or PJ could get in the mix... I think PJ is much more realistic bc 133 is a sick weight class but 7 is not out of the question.
8... is it possible? Luke - Blaze- SVN- PJ- Mitch- Levi- Rocco- Barr that is not impossible... I dont think likely but not impossible with Cael
my guess... is (5) but hoping Cael pulls out some magic!
 
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NCAA bonus points last year vs this year

Luke - 5 Luke 5
Davis - 3 Blaze 3
Beau - 1 Scooter 1
SVN - 6 SVN 5
Kasak - 5 PJ 3.5
Mitch - 4 Mitch 5
Levi - 3 Levi 4
Carter - 4 Rocco 3.5
Barr - 2 Barr 3.5
Kerk - 1.5 Cole 2
Team -34.5 TEAM 35.5

The big question is how many champions this year?
5
is expected.. Luke, SVN, Mitch, Levi, Barr
6 is very realistic... Luke, SVN, Mitch, Levi, Rocco, Barr
7 is not out of the question... either Blaze or PJ could get in the mix... I think PJ is much more realistic bc 133 is a sick weight class but 7 is not out of the question.
8... is it possible? Luke - Blaze- SVN- PJ- Mitch- Levi- Rocco- Barr that is not impossible... I dont think likely but not impossible with Cael
my guess... is (5) but hoping Cael pulls out some magic!
There are definitely 8 guys who are at least among a short list of favorites if not the outright favorite, but there's also no way all 8 will win. 4-5 is still absolute domination.
 

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Minnesota had a helluva tournament, but runner-up Iowa had a great tournament also. Iowa scored 125 points which would have won 6 of the previous 10 tournaments. Whoever beats PSU will have to have a great tournament because PSU will have an outstanding tournament also.
Ah yes. Back when Iowa Wrestling was fun to watch. 2001 Iowa was one of the best teams to never win it. First five weights:
125 - Jody Strittmatter
133 - Eric Juergens
141 - Doug Schwab
149 - Mike Zadick
157 - T.J. Williams

One thing about makes these dynasties which makes them so great (Penn State, Iowa) is what it takes to catch them or even knock them off. It's a lonely road to the top. I hate how Iowa has strayed away from staying at the grind, figuring it out, developing wrestlers and making a strong team to contend. But here they are, struggling to stay in the top 10 with an offensive mindset which is akin to a Brian Ferentz gauge your eyes out offense.
 

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Cannot go wrong with any of the CAO line. Nor can you go wrong with the Oliva line. Keep in mind that Nub is made by Oliva. I really enjoy Nub cigars. If you are looking for a good smoke that will not break the bank, I suggest Diesel, La Aroma De Cuba, El Rey Del Mundo are great choices.
I was always a fan of alec Bradley's as well man i can't wait to golf
 

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This would mean more if you knew the definition of fantasy.
I've discussed my issue with this with you before. Everyone was playing under those rules back then and by changing them, you can alter behavior. It's happening every other sport I've watched from football, to baseball, to NASCAR, etc.

It's one of the reasons why I never compare different errors, I'll give you an example baseball. I grew up a Cincinnati Reds fan in the 70s and I believe that their athletes would beat the 27 Yankees back in the day. Just because of improvements in training etc.

I think a team of baseball players now would beat them back in the day, I mean the Reds. But what I don't like is when people use the new statistics they try to analyze a time that didn't depend on those statistics. Everyone is looking at this the same way so management decisions are based off of these new stats.

Back then, they didn't do that, so the players and the managers were all playing under the same assumptions

Changing how you look at things, changes the thing.
There are definitely 8 guys who are at least among a short list of favorites if not the outright favorite, but there's also no way all 8 will win. 4-5 is still absolute domination.
PSU went 5/5 already , this team is better.
 
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Ah yes. Back when Iowa Wrestling was fun to watch. 2001 Iowa was one of the best teams to never win it. First five weights:
125 - Jody Strittmatter
133 - Eric Juergens
141 - Doug Schwab
149 - Mike Zadick
157 - T.J. Williams

One thing about makes these dynasties which makes them so great (Penn State, Iowa) is what it takes to catch them or even knock them off. It's a lonely road to the top. I hate how Iowa has strayed away from staying at the grind, figuring it out, developing wrestlers and making a strong team to contend. But here they are, struggling to stay in the top 10 with an offensive mindset which is akin to a Brian Ferentz gauge your eyes out offense.
That is a helluva first 5.