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baltimorened

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you can't really be this dense.

it's beyond unAmerican for a network to have to settle a ridiculous case without merit simply because they were worried that this flagrantly corrupt administration would block a planned merger. just like it's ridiculous that a sitting VP would be flying to meet with a modern oligarch like Murdoch who ironically enough is responsible for this corrupt administration in the first place.

i guess you think that Fox News should now be sued for the way they edited Trump's clip about whether or not he would release the Epstein files if elected.

stop being obtuse with these basic concepts of free speech and freedom of the press that previous adminstrations had no issue with until a lying piece of **** like Trump and his unqualified cultist minions wound up in power.
you'd be surprised how "dense" I can be.

I don't want to burst your bubble and I know your position will never change, but agreements to settle happen every day in just about every walk of life. And, this might surprise you, people, companies, attorneys who have winning hands initiate the settlements. And they do it for a multitude of reasons....management time, cost of litigation, cost/benefit, public relations, you name it. I've done it, didn't like it but from A cost and benefit and my time management it was worth it just to pay off and move on

Is it likely that a discussion of the merger came up in the discussion to settle? I don't know and neither do you and more likely neither do the people writing about it. We can speculate, and even if it did, so what? They would have gained more political outrage from the left had they not settled and the FCC denied their merger.

I think, but don't know, if the show was making $40 million a year, the decision to cancel would have been harder and you might have a better case to claim political pressure. But, that's not the case, and being a capitalist society, money talks.
 
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johnhugh

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Nice oversimplification. Viewership = revenue ≠ profit.
So the show’s budget ballooned? I doubt the managers of such a long-running late night show that has been wildly successful would suddenly turn into a business venture that’s tens of millions in the red.

What happened here is the first step towards state-sponsored media censorship. Also known as dictatorship or fascism. The same thing we (by we I mean the actual patriotic Americans) have been warning the MAGA traitor cult about for years.

Congrats on getting your wish of death to America
 

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So the show’s budget ballooned? I doubt the managers of such a long-running late night show that has been wildly successful would suddenly turn into a business venture that’s tens of millions in the red.

What happened here is the first step towards state-sponsored media censorship. Also known as dictatorship or fascism. The same thing we (by we I mean the actual patriotic Americans) have been warning the MAGA traitor cult about for years.

Congrats on getting your wish of death to America

Doesn't matter what you think. They did... and they were tens of millions of dollars in the red.

You have to be a completely naive, small-brained useful idiot to believe this is some conspiracy. If it were, The View and Kimmel would have been canceled 6 months ago.
 

johnhugh

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Doesn't matter what you think. They did... and they were tens of millions of dollars in the red.

You have to be a completely naive, small-brained useful idiot to believe this is some conspiracy. If it were, The View and Kimmel would have been canceled 6 months ago.
Does the poor financial management of the show indicate that it is of poor quality?

Is the timing of the cancellation around CBS being targeted by President trump not curious at best?
 

baltimorened

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Does the poor financial management of the show indicate that it is of poor quality?

Is the timing of the cancellation around CBS being targeted by President trump not curious at best?
curious maybe. But if denigrating trump were reason for a show's cancellation Kimmel, Fallon, Tapper and quite a few of the NBC, CBS and ABC anchors/reporters would be gone.

I don't know what facts were behind the cancellation could be the financials, could be fear over the merger approval. What I do know is that people who lean right say finances. a people on the left say merger. That doesn't speak very well for the objectiveness of supposedly intelligent people.
 

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curious maybe. But if denigrating trump were reason for a show's cancellation Kimmel, Fallon, Tapper and quite a few of the NBC, CBS and ABC anchors/reporters would be gone.

I don't know what facts were behind the cancellation could be the financials, could be fear over the merger approval. What I do know is that people who lean right say finances. a people on the left say merger. That doesn't speak very well for the objectiveness of supposedly intelligent people.
Maybe it was a little of both, but the numbers say it was totally justified.

There is no defending a show that loses $20mm a year. Plus it just wasn’t funny. I’ve never even seen a clip that made me laugh.

So if Trump had influence that is OK. CBS barked the fake Russian Collusion narrative for years. Leslie Stahl and 60 minutes intentionally lied to smear and defame Trump.

If the left can force Tucker out then the right can force out Colbert.

We on the right are only celebrating because the left has to taste their own medicine. It’s fantastic viewing.
 

dpic73

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curious maybe. But if denigrating trump were reason for a show's cancellation Kimmel, Fallon, Tapper and quite a few of the NBC, CBS and ABC anchors/reporters would be gone.

I don't know what facts were behind the cancellation could be the financials, could be fear over the merger approval. What I do know is that people who lean right say finances. a people on the left say merger. That doesn't speak very well for the objectiveness of supposedly intelligent people.
Trump puts pressure on them in other ways and it's corrupt af. This is not America

 
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baltimorened

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Trump puts pressure on them in other ways and it's corrupt af. This is not America

lots to unpack here..let's start with Stephanopoulos. He did misstate the accusation about Trump. Trump sued, ABC settled. I don't see anything wrong here. Same thing with the CBS issue in the news today. Trump sued over 60 minutes piece, they settled.

On other points, past presidents and their staffs have criticized the media

I do concur that Trump might take it a little too far. We have developed an antagonistic approach from Trump to media and back again. It's a shame. Newspapers and nightly news on TV used to be staples in homes. Now, a large segment of the population doesn't believe anything written or spoken by MSM, resulting in massive reductions in subscriptions. And, at least in my opinion, we are the worst for it and a large segment of our population is ignorant about what is going on in the country and/or world.

I'd like to see Trump tone it down, but that's not in his personality and there is a large segment of his base that revels in his attacks on the media.
 

dpic73

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lots to unpack here..let's start with Stephanopoulos. He did misstate the accusation about Trump. Trump sued, ABC settled. I don't see anything wrong here. Same thing with the CBS issue in the news today. Trump sued over 60 minutes piece, they settled.

On other points, past presidents and their staffs have criticized the media

I do concur that Trump might take it a little too far. We have developed an antagonistic approach from Trump to media and back again. It's a shame. Newspapers and nightly news on TV used to be staples in homes. Now, a large segment of the population doesn't believe anything written or spoken by MSM, resulting in massive reductions in subscriptions. And, at least in my opinion, we are the worst for it and a large segment of our population is ignorant about what is going on in the country and/or world.

I'd like to see Trump tone it down, but that's not in his personality and there is a large segment of his base that revels in his attacks on the media.
And you think it's just fine to sue CBS because they edited Kamala's interview? You don't see a problem with that even though FoxNews edits Trump's interviews as well? Is this something a president should be doing? This lawsuit would have been laughed out of court normally but they paid the extortion fee so that he would allow the merger with Skydance to go through. We can't normalize this sh*t - we just can't.

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baltimorened

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And you think it's just fine to sue CBS because they edited Kamala's interview? You don't see a problem with that even though FoxNews edits Trump's interviews as well? Is this something a president should be doing? This lawsuit would have been laughed out of court normally but they paid the extortion fee so that he would allow the merger with Skydance to go through. We can't normalize this sh*t - we just can't.

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we are a litigious society, everybody sues everybody. California has about 30 ( believe) lawsuits against Trump. Do I think it right, No,
but that's what we've become. Blame the lawyers.

Look, I'm not defending Trump or CBS.You and I can make a case that the settlement was a "payoff" and someone else can make a case that it wasn't. If CBS paid out strictly for the merger, then you're 100% right. If they settled because they knew something we don't and thought it would blow up that's a different story..

But here's the thing..I DON'T KNOW and neither does anyone on this board. So, I'm reluctant to dive in either end of the pool because I don't know the circumstances. As I pointed out yesterday, respectfully I hope, each of us is entitled to their own opinion. But at this point that's all our posts can be - opinions.

As for FOX...if they are editing, then they obviously could be liable for lawsuits from someone who feels they have been harmed by the editing. Maybe they will at some point in the future.
 

dpic73

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we are a litigious society, everybody sues everybody. California has about 30 ( believe) lawsuits against Trump. Do I think it right, No,
but that's what we've become. Blame the lawyers.

Look, I'm not defending Trump or CBS.You and I can make a case that the settlement was a "payoff" and someone else can make a case that it wasn't. If CBS paid out strictly for the merger, then you're 100% right. If they settled because they knew something we don't and thought it would blow up that's a different story..

But here's the thing..I DON'T KNOW and neither does anyone on this board. So, I'm reluctant to dive in either end of the pool because I don't know the circumstances. As I pointed out yesterday, respectfully I hope, each of us is entitled to their own opinion. But at this point that's all our posts can be - opinions.

As for FOX...if they are editing, then they obviously could be liable for lawsuits from someone who feels they have been harmed by the editing. Maybe they will at some point in the future.
This is gobbledygook to not call it what it is - blatantly, corrupt extortion by the sitting president of the United States - not because they did anything wrong but because he didn't like it. That's the story. We do know what it was for because he was open about it and in fact the long time executive producer for 60 Minutes left because Paramount suggested they tame their stories about Trump so as not to ruffle his feathers.

As for FoxNews, Biden or Obama would have never sued them for something so petty because normal presidents don't stoop to that level in order to censor the media. Remember free speech?

"Trump said in his lawsuit that CBS News engaged in “partisan and unlawful acts of election and voter interference” by editing its 7 October interview with Harris. An answer Harris gave about Israel’s war in Gaza was released online, but was not part of the full broadcast.

CBS has denied the claim, saying Trump’s lawsuit was an attempt by government officials to “punish” journalism institutions for their editorial decisions".
 
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mrw GIF
 

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I haven't watched late night tv in YEARS. I liked Colbert when he was doing his schtick on Comedy Central. I caught a few clips here and there on his new show, it was ok.
Now Conan O'Brien might be the best late night host of all time, and he got absolutely screwed by network executives. So, I know for sure they do things that make absolutely no sense.
Jay Leno might be the worst thing ever put on television that was forced down america's throat.
 

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This is gobbledygook to not call it what it is - blatantly, corrupt extortion by the sitting president of the United States - not because they did anything wrong but because he didn't like it. That's the story. We do know what it was for because he was open about it and in fact the long time executive producer for 60 Minutes left because Paramount suggested they tame their stories about Trump so as not to ruffle his feathers.

As for FoxNews, Biden or Obama would have never sued them for something so petty because normal presidents don't stoop to that level in order to censor the media. Remember free speech?

"Trump said in his lawsuit that CBS News engaged in “partisan and unlawful acts of election and voter interference” by editing its 7 October interview with Harris. An answer Harris gave about Israel’s war in Gaza was released online, but was not part of the full broadcast.

CBS has denied the claim, saying Trump’s lawsuit was an attempt by government officials to “punish” journalism institutions for their editorial decisions".
extortion is against the law. Attorney General James from NY has not been bashful about prosecuting Trump. CBS is headquarted in NY. So, if you're correct, maybe we'll see a lawsuit or criminal charge

I remember free speech. Everyone is entitled to it. But we also have libel and slander laws.

As I posted in response to you yesterday, people settle these lawsuits for multiple reasons. It's not an unusual thing.
 

dpic73

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extortion is against the law. Attorney General James from NY has not been bashful about prosecuting Trump. CBS is headquarted in NY. So, if you're correct, maybe we'll see a lawsuit or criminal charge

I remember free speech. Everyone is entitled to it. But we also have libel and slander laws.

As I posted in response to you yesterday, people settle these lawsuits for multiple reasons. It's not an unusual thing.
🤣 Do you know who we're talking about? 😂
extortion is against the law.
 

fatpiggy

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$36mm

And it was ALMOST worth it for them. If Kammy won, they would have been rewarded handsomely.

But almost only counts in horseshoes and hand grenades and now here we are.

 

baltimorened

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Remember that time Colbert was pushing the propaganda ....


I'm too old to be staying up to watch Colbert. But I have seen a clip of him trashing his employer. I may be old fashioned but it seems to me that if you go on national television and berate your bosses, you don't have much of a leg to stand on when you're fired. What the hell, in your own words you worked for a crummy company...move on. If he had any integrity he's just walk away now and not wait until 2026
 
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dpic73

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Go woke go broke


Nobody cares but I do know the bots you rely on for ALL of your news aren't reliable.

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For the fifth straight season, the show ranks No. 1 in Households (1.74 rating) and Total Viewers (2.562 million) among all daytime talk shows and news programs for the 5th straight season."

 
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