now claiming they have a very good shot at getting Tunsil who is the no. 3 player in the country and is an OT from florida. 247 listed georgia and bama as the lead schools for him, although I don't know when that was last updated. Aside from that, they are very confident they are getting Daniel as well. They brought freeze in after one year as a DI head coach and labeled him a super recruiter. Now, the party line is that all of these players want to play with the no. 1 player in the country. All of this from a program that was within an eye lash of having three straight losing seasons and they are recruiting with the alabamas of the world.
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I don't follow much recruiting, but how in the hell does anyone think they are pulling these recruits away from bigger schools simply because Freeze is a "good recruiter?" This is getting asinine... Shirley, America's best talent isn't going to Ole Miss because Freeze is teaching the gospel, they have a beautiful campus, and they have a nice IPF...
I hope you're not implying that a program with such a high code of ethics, morality, and Christian standards would cheat.***
Like Mutt has already pointed out...
They have the best recruiting class in the nation every year, regardless. Here's how it will play out: Their top commits will have grade problems as usual; some "good gets" will leave the program after discovering what they've gotten themselves into as usual; county defense attorneys & bail bondsmen will spend more time with the bulk of the class than will Freeze. As usual. By May, they will have a class equal to that of Kentucky.
They have the best recruiting class in the nation every year, regardless. Here's how it will play out: Their top commits will have grade problems as usual; some "good gets" will leave the program after discovering what they've gotten themselves into as usual; county defense attorneys & bail bondsmen will spend more time with the bulk of the class than will Freeze. As usual. By May, they will have a class equal to that of Kentucky.
Georgia is the school to worry about with Tunsil. From several different places, Tunsil didn't enjoy his OV to Bama and Ole Miss pulled ahead of Bama but Georgia probably has a solid lead. Florida State might get in the mix but I think he wants to play in the SEC.
Haha, I'm sorry..but name the thing that looks out of place in your post.
You have to admit that if the tables were turned you would never think we weren't cheating our asses off.
This is the difference, for better or worse, in MSU and OM fans. They believe that type of **** about themselves, and we know better, or at least see reality.
I've only been here for a short period of time, but I've seen tons of topics started about OM recruiting. Am I the only one who says, "who gives a ****"? I am very interested in our recruiting and that is why I began coming here. I just can't believe that I have to scroll down through many topics about Freeze and other OM BS just to get to ones about MSU in general and MSU recruiting.
Everyone cheats. If you were pulling recruits, I wouldn't be surprised nor would I be upset with your half, I'd be upset with mine. That said, the cheating in recruiting isn't as elaborate as people seem to think. For instance, Ole Miss isn't putting gym bags full of money in hotel rooms or whatever that was.
But Ole Miss has beaten Bama for recruits a few times. Brassell, Barksdale, Vince Sanders, Carlton Martin, Channing Ward, Aaron Morris, etc. You're currently beating them for Chris Jones.
But Ole Miss has beaten Bama for recruits a few times. Brassell, Barksdale, Vince Sanders, Carlton Martin, Channing Ward, Aaron Morris, etc. You're currently beating them for Chris Jones.
Ole Miss party line.
All those are in-state. The better comparisons would be guys you beat Alabama on, on a neutral turf, which Tunsil would be.
HaHa, couldn't just say "you're right", could you. I thought you of all people wouldn't try the usual blah, blah, everybody does it, defense...but apparently none of you OM guys are able to step back and view things for what they are.
Brassell was a Panola boy in your back yard. Jones was a 2 star we jumped on early in our own backyard. Not comparable to beating The National Champion, and SEC runner up for a National out of state recruit. But I should have known better than to think you could acknowledge it. I would be pumped too, but I would also be able to acknowledge how sketchy it seems.
I did acknowledge it. Like I said, everyone cheats. I wasn't excluding Ole Miss, nor was I attempting to excuse Ole Miss. It might be the usual blah blah, but it's 100% accurate, unless you can think of a team that doesn't.
If everyone cheats, let's just assume all things are equal. OK, we have to cheat just to keep up. Got it. What, in your mind, puts Ole Miss over Alabama to a national recruit?
Good question. Objectively, recruits have a better shot at early playing time at Ole Miss, which is often the most important thing to a 17-18 year old kid. Bama's stacked with 4 and 5 star talent everywhere and everyone knows it. Subjectively, I think Oxford is nicer than Tuscaloosa, even if Reagan didn't eat at our Mickey D's, and that matters when you're recruiting Mama though it may not matter much.
Cheating bigger.
I'm not involved in recruiting, but from one of the only two people I know who have been personally involved (neither are MSU people), I was surprised at how little money typically changes hands for some of the bigger recruits. From what he was involved with, Cam Newton was a big-time aberration. If the rumors on what it took for CJ Johnson are correct, his deal was relatively big, and that wasn't eye-popping money.
My assumption is that when you see a MSU or UM pull a major out-of-state recruit from a bama, UGA, UF type school, it's that they simply outbid them or the big-boys weren't that interested to begin with. While the elite schools could obviously outbid UM whenever they want to, I don't think it makes sense for them to do so. Generally, they're going to get a top-ten class as long as they play the game at all, so why not avoid the players whose sole consideration is who pays the most? Hell, it looks like MSU is going to have a top 15ish class simply by cheating "normally". I don't think it would take a lot more money to grab a few more high profile recruits, you just need a few more boosters that care a little too much about football and coaches willing to press their luck.
I will say it's very possible that both people I know simply aren't involved when big money changes hands (one of the two really doesn't have enough money to give what he does above the table, and it's ridiculous that he's involved in anything further than that). But the only two recruits I know that they've dealt with were both pretty highly rated, so I assume if bidding wars for recruits were really that common, they would have at least known that they were going on.
Playing time is legit, although it hardly ever works. You might convince a MS kid of that, but a national recruit will distinguish between his national offers for the best PT situation.
The Oxford being a nice town means absolutely nothing outside of elitist small town MS dinner tables. These guys don't care about that. All they see is big or small. And truth be known, every D1 school seems big because of the students.
Take Tunsil for example. Alabama, Georgia, Florida State, Ole Miss. Sorry, one just doesn't belong. I'm not hating on your school, I'm just keeping it real. If I want my kid to succeed in football, and I'm a parent from Lake City, FL, no way I send him to Oxford over the other three. 2 of those at least gives you the same education pedigree as well (FSU sucks academically IMO). Exposure is MUCH better at a big time established football school. You're simply getting better resources.
The only way I'm talked into Ole Miss is if I'm 'taken care of' in a big way. And even then I probably still wouldn't risk my kid's future on that.
The Oxford being a nice town means absolutely nothing outside of elitist small town MS dinner tables. These guys don't care about that. All they see is big or small. And truth be known, every D1 school seems big because of the students.
Take Tunsil for example. Alabama, Georgia, Florida State, Ole Miss. Sorry, one just doesn't belong. I'm not hating on your school, I'm just keeping it real. If I want my kid to succeed in football, and I'm a parent from Lake City, FL, no way I send him to Oxford over the other three. 2 of those at least gives you the same education pedigree as well (FSU sucks academically IMO). Exposure is MUCH better at a big time established football school. You're simply getting better resources.
The only way I'm talked into Ole Miss is if I'm 'taken care of' in a big way. And even then I probably still wouldn't risk my kid's future on that.
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You're right there. No offense, but the high rollers for anyone are never going to be exposed. Too organized. Que up Auburn's recruitment of Newton again.
There might be some piddly money changing hands for a few high school guys in MS, but it's nothing to fuss about. CJ's deal wasn't just about money. Again I say, there's a reason he has such a chip on his shoulder regarding MSU.
Bobby Massie picked OM over Bama and he was from Virginia.
He even pulled the ole hat fake on Bama.
He even pulled the ole hat fake on Bama.
Tell me if you disagree. I think our programs are comparable to Clemson and South Carolina.
Neither has great history, and recruiting wise, their state produces about the same amount of NFL talent as Mississippi.
In other words, there is no reason our programs can't do what theirs have been doing and do it at the same time. Both made strides nationally by first upgrading their recruiting results, and lately they've been pushing the Top 10 most years.
Now you may believe that MSU has to be a perennial doormat, but most of our fans don't see our program that way. We believe we can be Clemson or South Carolina, and the blueprint is out there.
By all means, feel free to keep your own lowered expectations, but don't expect us to set our sights low just because you might.
Personally, I see a lot of reason to compare what we have to Clemson in particular. Freeze to me is a combination of Chad Morris and Dabo Swinney. Offensively he and Morris do the same thing. They've even been good friends for years, sharing ideas. Freeze, like Swinney, has also made his name as a relentless recruiter. Due to that, I see no reason we can't accumulate enough talent and be well enough coached to be able to compete with the best in the SEC. Am I saying national title? Not necessarily, but I see plenty of reason to believe we can compete with those teams and at least have a shot when we play them. That's all you can ask. Then it takes a little good fortune too, but we can get to that level for sure.
Your program has the same potential. I would bet you do believe you have the potential. You just don't want us to strive to reach that potential, and I get that.
I was waiting on somebody to say him. That's ONE. And I have a sneaky suspicion that he wasn't exactly the Tide's top target. Hargrave n stuff. My evidence? He was easily the highest ranking OL you signed. Alabama signed 4 star Fluker, Carpenter and Moore, 3 star Steen, Warmack, Williams and McKellar that year. Yep, they wanted him just as much as Ole Miss did.
But you beat them, nonetheless.
But you beat them, nonetheless.
Hell, even if we do beat them for someone, the usual suspects will say its because Bama targeted someone better at the position. So why even argue over it?
Now back to the cheating allegations, silly name calling, conspiracy theories and other shenanigans that have turned this place into the PornFro Lite 2.0.
Now back to the cheating allegations, silly name calling, conspiracy theories and other shenanigans that have turned this place into the PornFro Lite 2.0.
I think it's a great comparison, except for the fact that South Carolina has 4.7 million people compared to Mississippi's 2.9 million. That, and the aforementioned facts that MS people will tear each other down. You think we both can become perennial 10 win teams like Carolina/Clemson? Great. Reality says we can probably become perennial 7-8 win teams.
I outlined in bold the parts of your post that are just typical Rebelbruiser horseshit. Get rid of crap like that, and you might actually contribute to the discussion. No MSU fan is scared of Ole Miss, or cares more about Ole Miss than MSU. Get rid of that juvenile thinking.
Well, truth be known, I don't respect Ole Miss' football program that much. I probably have the same viewpoint as most of the country. That's why everyone is skeptical of your recruiting.
I guess we're all silly and the Ole Miss by damn nation is just Forward Together.
I guess we're all silly and the Ole Miss by damn nation is just Forward Together.
Yeah, Patrick Willis and Michael Oher are nobodies.
Look at NFL rosters and see where the guys are from. Not all of them are from football factories. Colston from NO is one. The NFL scouts are going to find talent no matter where it is. You also might want to actually learn something about Oxford and THE University OF Mississippi before running your mouth.
Not at all. But I do enjoy the information here and the users are better than those at Gene's or the Rival's page.
Disagree. Kansas is a barren wasteland for football talent. KSU has made it's only living poaching Juco talent that comes to Kansas from other parts of the country.
South Carolina has more people in the state, but it produces about the same amount of football talent as Mississippi, and the programs historically have been equivalent to our two programs.
When SC and Clemson began making recruiting waves, other fans would question it just like they would with our two programs.
South Carolina has more people in the state, but it produces about the same amount of football talent as Mississippi, and the programs historically have been equivalent to our two programs.
When SC and Clemson began making recruiting waves, other fans would question it just like they would with our two programs.