It's a 100% positive. Those are fantastic problems to have. In case you haven't noticed this happens to any place that is experiencing rapid growth. Take a trip over to Huntsville sometime.
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I don’t think many of these schools have the infrastructure to support it right now. They are just getting in hay in while the sun is still up.
No growing area has the necessary infrastructure in place or is not a PITA to get around. That's kinda your cross to bear.
Some folks have been living in rural Mississippi so long that they don't see how the world around them works.
Define "growing area." Having to sit in extra traffic in Huntsville because it's growing is one thing. Asking a kid to cram into an already full dorm room and sleep on a cot, or expecting a kid to have to ride a shuttle bus to campus because he doesn't have a place to park are different things. Is it a good thing when you lose your seat on a flight because they overbooked it? That's essentially what we're doing - we're overbooking.
You can really tell the people who never make it to campus and the ones who are there often or have kids in school there.
I’ve seen it on at least one big site that UM has a 99% acceptance rate and ours is like 72%. No way to confirm, but if this is true then they must not be offering much else.
My son applied to State on 8/1 and was accepted on Labor Day. State does rolling admissions, so you don’t have to wait long! Now, if anybody wants to let me use their MS address for tuition purposes, I’d be much obliged!
Wrong again. Growth is a good problem to have.
Nah, I feel pretty good about it. Otherwise, you'd have a more common sense opinion on this.
I would take as a positive any town/city in Mississippi that is growing and figure out ways to support/augment that growth as much as possible. Starkville is growing at a quick pace and that's good for the state.
If Starkville has decent city leadership, they'll put all of their collective effort and intelligence behind accommodating this growth. Traditionally, Starkville has not done that for the school.
If Starkville has decent city leadership, they'll put all of their collective effort and intelligence behind accommodating this growth. Traditionally, Starkville has not done that for the school.
Our average ACT score for incoming students has been rising for years. Standards are not being lowered.
growth just for the sake of saying "we have a larger incoming freshman class than Ole Miss this time" is not positive growth when you sacrifice your standards and don't have a plan in place to accommodate everyone. Growth is fine when it's the result of something sustainable, and not a reaction to what other people are doing. And this growth you're crowing about is not sustainable in its current state. There are also downstream impacts we will see related to negative experiences students have and the headwinds we'll have to face for future recruiting. This is how I know you aren't connected to campus - the overall student satisfaction is in the toilet. And it's because we suck at the little things....like ensuring students have a parking place.
Yes, the 3 hour drive is a HUGE draw. It's far enough away but not so far they can't get home for the weekend. It really is an advantage. Also, my daughter had her out of state waived. I believe it's a 26 on the ACT or a 3.6 GPA to have 90% waived.
My sister in law works at Bama. If it isn't the Athletic Department or Greek Life, they are complete ****. She worked at MSU and now at Bama. In her department, Bama spends maybe half the money that State does.
I was amazed at how Bama tries to cut corners and pinch pennies. It isn't really even cost savings because if they had the amount of people that State has, it would bring in more money.
I recall the pearl clutchers here remarking this summer Memphis student recruitment was off by 50%. Memphis recruiting sounds like it's fine as always.
Let’s define Memphis because I don’t think Memphis itself is sending many kids. Are talking private schools in Memphis area like St. George’s and Briarcrest ? Because Hutchison MUS and St Mary’s aren’t sending kids to State except a very one off here and there
Ok. I'll take it. We are a soccer school. This Is Our State!
Arkansas also has tuition reciprocity with all states that it borders if those states engage in reciprocity too. You can get 70%, 80% and 90% discount off out of state tuition. Look up their freshman enrollment numbers the last few years.....records set every year and lots of TX kids heading north. State needs to do this!
It blew her mind also. She worked at UAH for a while and they were cheap as **** but she expected it. She thought Bama would actually be better than State but they are literally so cheap that they won't pay for them to get training to even stay in compliance.
At State, it was never an issue. Training wasn't even mentioned because it was a given.
My daughter attended ECS (private) and many from there attend State. My boys attend Briarcrest (private) and many from there attend State. We know kids from many public schools that attend State or are currently looking at State including Houston, Collierville, Lakeland Prep and Arlington. We have a very wide sample size because we attend Bellevue and the student ministry is gigantic.
MUS is more of an Ole Miss stronghold and CBHS is a real mixed bag.
going to State isn't cheap. kids get more money from UM. Louisiana kids basically go to LSU for free. Same with Georgia kids and UGA. i'm not sure calling State a "budget SEC school" is accurate nor the type of mentality I would have about my alma mater. IMO we are one of the leading research and engineering schools in the nation with down to earth students(and alumni) and a family friendly atmosphere.
one thing that would help would be eliminating our mentalitiy of being our own worst enemy when it comes to our reputation, etc. everyone here has read this but...
The differentiator in MS is that our schools rely on that OOS tuition money to function. Plain and simple.
It's markedly less expensive than all other SEC schools, except for UM. I don't think anyone said that going to college was cheap anywhere.
Notice above I never mentioned actively recruiting students in Louisiana or Georgia. That was done for a reason.
And I’m just being to the point when I say budget. I hear what you’re saying. But we are never going to be considered an elite institution. Be happy with being a great value and lean into that.
And it’s how I know that you can’t see beyond your nose and want to go back to little ole MSU. Growing pains hurt. Our growth isn’t a reaction to Ole Miss and we haven’t lowered our standards. Our main campus has been bigger than theirs for a long time and what they are doing is a reaction to us. why do you think they feel the need to include UMC in their enrollment figures? They didn’t used to do that. You need to get over little man syndrome and accept that a MSU education is in demand and that we are sustainably growing for the right reasons, not because we have a good football team.
Ole Miss offering more money in many cases is garbage propaganda, and or sour grapes. Now that they offer more money for lower levels applications, THAT I can believe. My kid got a full ride at MSU…..and Georgia Tech offered him nothing. When you hear those kind of stories….”MSU offered my kid nothing, and Ole Miss offered a lot”, you need detailed context to understand it….and that includes major. I could have bad mouthed Tech like that too….but there is that pesky context thing. We never heard a dang thing from Ole Miss by the way.
It is a million percent because of ole miss. Do you even know who mark Keenum is? They passed us a couple of years ago and we are reacting. This is an inarguable point, and yet here you are.
They are offering more and it's not propaganda. It's something I experienced personally with both of my kids. One of them posts here and you can hear it from him if you don't want to believe me.
I wish it wasn’t this way, but I have to agree. OM is our main motivator, just like I said the other day.
Doesn’t mean the growth is bad. That said, I’m not discounting your experiences. No, I don’t have a kid at MSU yet. Obviously you do.
But there again we must be competitive to have all these kids coming. I know a few kids from GA who got OOS waived due to major. We are doing something right.
Here’s an example. I know a FR at UM who received about 20k more from them than State this year. He’s an MSMS graduate and wanted to go to State. That’s not the only example I have first hand knowledge of. My statement was nonspecific but I stand by it being a general trend.
Here is an example. It’s not a kid I “know of”. It’s my kid. when it was all said and done he got a full ride from MSU. We never heard a damn thing from your Rebels.
And I experienced it with MY kid personally. After all was said and done…full ride at MSU. No offer from Ole Miss. Before you start, his stuff was all academic, nothing economic. Now he was in an in demand field.
You have to have a certain GPA to qualify so it's like a scholarship. Trust me UPig is getting some very strong students out of Tx.
I’ll give my current experience with $$$ offered between the schools. I’m a state grad. So is my ex-wife. We both wanted our daughter to attend State. We live in Memphis. She was offered $60k more over 4 years to attend Ole Miss. (Very good grades and ACT, but not overly phenomenal.)
Not only that, Ole Miss absolutely killed State when it came to marketing themselves to her. I was there for the tours, heard the incoming recruiting calls, read the onslaught of mail. She currently attends Ole Miss. Frankly, when you took out our emotional attachment to State, it was an easy call to make at the end of the day.
We were blown away by the differences in scholarships, and recruitment. So much so that, as a former Roadrunner, calls were made to people in the upper levels of the admin to, very kindly, let them know of our experience in hope that things could change in the future.
And we’ve talked with multiple friends who experienced the exact same thing we did. All with current children attending Ole Miss. (And one attending State, even though she is paying more to do so.)
My account is first hand as well. And I wish I wasn’t telling this story. But you can’t hide from the truth and just be blind without seeing the reality of the situation if things are going to change.
Not only that, Ole Miss absolutely killed State when it came to marketing themselves to her. I was there for the tours, heard the incoming recruiting calls, read the onslaught of mail. She currently attends Ole Miss. Frankly, when you took out our emotional attachment to State, it was an easy call to make at the end of the day.
We were blown away by the differences in scholarships, and recruitment. So much so that, as a former Roadrunner, calls were made to people in the upper levels of the admin to, very kindly, let them know of our experience in hope that things could change in the future.
And we’ve talked with multiple friends who experienced the exact same thing we did. All with current children attending Ole Miss. (And one attending State, even though she is paying more to do so.)
My account is first hand as well. And I wish I wasn’t telling this story. But you can’t hide from the truth and just be blind without seeing the reality of the situation if things are going to change.
So far, enrollment changes have impacted smaller private schools and smaller publics significantly more than large state schools, especially flagship/landgrant institutions.
In fact, part of the impact up to now is that many large flagship/landgrant state schools have benefitted with increased enrollment.
The enrollment cliff is very real. These charts are slightly different looking, but all have the same general shape.
Mississippi has a reciprocity agreement with Tennessee. Kids pay in-state tuition at State for programs that no Tenn. public university offers - landscape architecture, pgm, etc. - and vice versa. Half my graduating class was kids from Tennessee.
Yeah, cramming 3 into a dorm made for 2 is, to me, a very legit issue.
Everyone living off campus not being able to all drive onto campus and part is, to me, a totally worthless complaint.
Large universities with centralized education sectors that utilize a convenient and complete mass transit system is nice. It reduces parking lots, improves walkability, and reduces noise and congestion through the day.
The other option can be creating parking lots on the outskirts of the university and running more shuttles between there and the academic sectors of campus...but that would sometimes mean people would park further from their classes than if they didnt drive at all, so I am sure that would also be met with complaining.
Crying about how Colton, Wyatt, Asher, and Finn cant park their oversized lifted trucks right outside McCool Hall because 8000 other people already drove to campus that morning isnt getting much sympathy from me.