Recruiting gone to far?
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Here we go again...
In last year's playoffs, Archbishop Murphy lost to a public school (Tumwater) in the semis. Tumwater lost to another public school (Prosser) in the finals. In Washington, just like in Illinois, private schools are not invincible. Public schools do beat private schools. It CAN be done.
Prosser, the public school champ, beat other public schools last year by scores of 80-6, 55-0 (three times), and 57-0. This year, they already have a 62-0 victory over another public school under their belts. Are public schools forfeiting any games against Prosser, or is it that Prosser beats them silly for reasons other than size disparity? While I understand that the supposed issue with Archbishop Murphy is concerns over size disparity, I gotta believe that some of those scores by public schools over other public schools might have something to do with size disparities as well.
Bottom line: These forfeits are grandstanding plays by those public schools trying to leverage additional field levelers upon private schools. Come back to me with links to articles saying that those public schools are forfeiting games against other public schools that beat the snot out of them. That will be real news.
That's a straw man argument to say they have lost to public schools in the playoffs. This is a program with a record of 123-29 since 2004. The forfeits were by a school that dressed only 14 players, a school of less than 400 total students and the final forfeit was not the schools choice, but the parents. These are all tiny schools who play everyone on small rosters. The size intimidated them.
Also it was mentioned in articles that Washington State allows private schools to recruit for athletic reasons up to 50 miles away. Illinois doesn't allow athletic recruits to private schools, but it still happens. Washington fully endorses it.
Now it's one thing if an Illinois 7a school recruits athletes openly (if the laws were like Washington) and goes up against other schools of 2000 kids, but imagine if that happened at the 1a or 2a level what kind of physical powerhouse could run through those small schools. That's the concern here, not that Archbishop Murphy might run into the one public school who is good deep in the playoffs.
Btw Prosser is double the size of the schools that forfited and Tumwater is triple their size so that doesn't hold much water.
Also it was mentioned in articles that Washington State allows private schools to recruit for athletic reasons up to 50 miles away. Illinois doesn't allow athletic recruits to private schools, but it still happens. Washington fully endorses it.
Now it's one thing if an Illinois 7a school recruits athletes openly (if the laws were like Washington) and goes up against other schools of 2000 kids, but imagine if that happened at the 1a or 2a level what kind of physical powerhouse could run through those small schools. That's the concern here, not that Archbishop Murphy might run into the one public school who is good deep in the playoffs.
Btw Prosser is double the size of the schools that forfited and Tumwater is triple their size so that doesn't hold much water.
There have been teams in Illinois over the years with that size. These guys have talent in addition to size.
It is not a straw man argument relative to the private school recruiting angle raised in the article and relative to the title of the thread you started.
According to the Granite Falls District website, total 9-12 enrollment for 2014-15 was 594. According to US News and World Report, Granite Falls High School, the subject of the article, has an enrollment of 642 students. Either number is more than the 525 students that attend Archbishop Murphy. Neither school could be called “tiny” as you assert. Granite Falls would be in 4A if they were an Illinois school. Not sure which school you were thinking of with less than 400 students, but it sure wasn’t Granite Falls.
You also stated that it was “mentioned in articles” that Washington state allows private schools to recruit for athletic reasons up to 50 miles away. The link to the article you posted did not mention that at all. Please cite the source that mentions Washington allows recruiting for athletic reasons.
According to Maxpreps, Granite Falls has 35 players on their roster. Don’t know what school you were referring to with a 14 man roster, but is roster size of Archbishop Murphy’s opponents Archbishop Murphy’s problem? Or is it more likely a pretty good indicator that it’s time to pull the plug on a program on life support? Either forfeit the whole season or play the games. Hopefully you can understand the Pandora's box that is opened when schools (or worse, school PARENTS) are able to pick and choose the scheduled games they want their kids to play or not play.
Archbishop Murphy beat Granite Falls 56-6 in 2015. Granite Falls also lost a 48-0 game last year…to a public school. Yes, Archbishop Murphy beat Granite Falls 56-7 in 2014. Granite Falls also lost games to public schools that year by scores of 56-6 and 47-6. Is this "evidence of recruiting gone to (sic) far" or is it evidence of what happens when a less competitive school plays one that is competitive?
Lastly, and somewhat unrelated to this current argument, but I am curious what action the Washington Interscholastic Activities Association is going to take against the schools that forfeited. According to their constitution, “REFUSING TO PLAY - Individuals or teams are obligated to participate in a contest or athletic event to its normal conclusion unless the contest is terminated by mutual consent of the school officials involved due to unusual weather or game conditions, or situations which could be hazardous to participants or spectators. Any coach is prohibited from unilaterally refusing to play.“ I don’t know if Archbishop Murphy officials consented to the forfeit, but it is pretty clear from the article you posted that the A.M. coach would have preferred to play the game rather than forfeit.
As a public school guy, I agree with your comments. No school should be allowed to forfeit because the other players are "too big". The fact that A.M proactively gave schools an out earlier in the year is an indicator of how cooperative the school is. On another note, I would be concerned about my 5'8 120lbs kid playing football period. I don't need to see a 300lbs kid to know that my kid may be too small for high school football.
http://www.wiaa.com/subcontent.aspx?SecID=1039
Washington inter scholastic athletics has Granite falls as 491 students.
Sultan has 25 players on the roster
South Whidbey was the forfit with only 14 players
http://www.southwhidbeyrecord.com/news/394189271.html
Granite was not the only school to forfit.
As for Granites roster, Max Preps lists 34 players on Elgin's football roster. Do you want to bet 34 don't dress tonight? Can't go by max preps to get the number of players dressed each game. Schools with small enrollments / rosters are at a bigger disadvantage when 5-10 don't dress.
Washington inter scholastic athletics has Granite falls as 491 students.
Sultan has 25 players on the roster
South Whidbey was the forfit with only 14 players
http://www.southwhidbeyrecord.com/news/394189271.html
Granite was not the only school to forfit.
As for Granites roster, Max Preps lists 34 players on Elgin's football roster. Do you want to bet 34 don't dress tonight? Can't go by max preps to get the number of players dressed each game. Schools with small enrollments / rosters are at a bigger disadvantage when 5-10 don't dress.
Net enrollment (whatever that is), not students. The same organization lists Archbishop Murphy as 369 net enrollment and they are opting to play up a class from 1A to 2.
Regardless, I prefer Granite Falls' own website for an actual number of students which equates to roughly 20% more than whatever net enrollment means.
Interesting. The athletic conference to which South Whidbey belongs says that they have 21 players, but no freshmen are listed. Maxpreps says South Whidbey has 56 players (including freshmen) on its roster, including a 6'6" OL/DT weighing in at 395 lb. Are other schools forfeiting games against South Whidbey because of that behemoth?
Any progress on finding a citation for the athletic recruiting claim?
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Regardless of what side of the argument you're on, I applaud the effort by @ramblinman to go beyond the surface level information from the originally linked article and dig into what wasn't said. Curiosity, skepticism, and the willingness to follow that where it may lead. Need more of it. Steps down from soap box.
I've always been curious... not being from here originally, I've always been a little leery of the whole private schools can recruit from wherever thing.
I have no issue at all with people sending their kids wherever they want.... But I do believe there should be boundaries for athletics for the privates just like the public schools have.
Why should a public school have to play a team that has been cherry picked and subsidized by alumni.
Just curious
I have no issue at all with people sending their kids wherever they want.... But I do believe there should be boundaries for athletics for the privates just like the public schools have.
Why should a public school have to play a team that has been cherry picked and subsidized by alumni.
Just curious
Now I'm curious. If you aren't from here, where are you from? Are you from a place where there are no private schools? Do private schools not recruit students in your home state? Wherever you are from, how do private schools fill their classrooms if they do not market themselves?
You do realize that private school parents PAY for their children to attend those schools? You do realize that there already are a bevy of field levelers (30 mile radius, multiplier, success factor) that apply exclusively to private schools and not to public schools? Should boundaries be in addition to, or instead of, those field levelers?
Assuming that your private school boundary idea won't ever get off the ground, are you for athletic separation of public and private schools so that public schools don't have to play private schools? If so, me too. If not, then what realistic solutions do you propose?
Secondly, your comments about private school cherry picking and alumni giving also make me curious. Tell me the private schools that you think are cherry picking their teams. Is Guerin Prep cherry picking their team? How about Walther Christian? Marian Catholic? DePaul Prep? Luther North? If not them, which private schools are cherry picking? The successful ones? Is Montini a cherry picker? How much advantage did cherry picking give Montini over MS this year? Is Providence a cherry picker? If so, then they are poor cherry pickers because ESL beat Providence 34-3. Is Loyola a cherry picker? Your school came thisclose to beating Loyola in week 2. How much good did Loyola's supposed cherry picking do back when MS was in its heyday and beating LA in the playoffs? In your world, whether in Park Ridge or wherever the heck you are from, is there any room for private school athletic success that can result from anything other than cherry picking?
As for alumni, tell me which seems like more of an athletic advantage to you: A school like MS that is supported entirely by the tax dollars of the residents of its well-to-do district, including those residents who choose to send their kids to private schools, or a private school like Loyola that charges $15K a year in tuition and has less than 10% of its operating budget subsidized by charitable giving? In 2014, Loyola had total expenses of $35.9 million and charitable gifts to operations from all sources (alumni, parents, former parents, etc.), totaling $3.3 million. I am curious as to why you think this is such an advantage over public schools.
Ramblin I'm just a simple guy from the south where there VERY few private schools. I believe you should be able to send your kids where you want, however if I decide to send my kid to a different public school, there are rules against being able to switch.
You're a sensible man... you know fully well your program hasn't been hurt by the numbers in the youth programs, and while our numbers continue to drop, we have no way of recruiting or marketing. Our coaches don't attend youth games outside our district to recruit.
You're a sensible man... you know fully well your program hasn't been hurt by the numbers in the youth programs, and while our numbers continue to drop, we have no way of recruiting or marketing. Our coaches don't attend youth games outside our district to recruit.
There are rules for private schools too. Lots of them. And they are designed to make private schools less competitive vs similarly sized public schools or public schools more competitive vs. similarly sized private schools...depending on your perspective.
Regarding numbers, I do not know that fully well at all. If you know that for a fact and can prove it, please enlighten me. And, what about other private schools like Guerin, etc.? Didn't we hear earlier this season that Nazareth didn't have the numbers to field a soph team?
Why does MS need to recruit or market? You are a government sanctioned monopoly for public education in your district. Each year, you can pretty much count on enrolling roughly 90-95% of the high school aged kids in your district. That's a given. There are no givens like that for private schools. The advantage that public schools have in that regard over private schools is huge.
Ramblin. Since you want to argue so freakin bad and act as if your Hollywood folks are just plain ole' folks sending their kids to school, Like privates cannot transfer.. really
And since you DON'T know everything, I can tell this. I've been coaching youth ball in PR for 10 yrs, OUR NUMBERS ARE HALF WHAT THEY USED TO BE.
Where we used to have 90 freshman, now there's 40..
Our youth league used to have 8 teams in every division, and 8 travel teams. We were dominant.
Now we have 4 in each division, and barely 3 travel teams... so don't give me the bs the numbers aren't down.
And since you DON'T know everything, I can tell this. I've been coaching youth ball in PR for 10 yrs, OUR NUMBERS ARE HALF WHAT THEY USED TO BE.
Where we used to have 90 freshman, now there's 40..
Our youth league used to have 8 teams in every division, and 8 travel teams. We were dominant.
Now we have 4 in each division, and barely 3 travel teams... so don't give me the bs the numbers aren't down.
I'll second PR. I've coached youth football in Gurnee for 8 years. Our enrollment is down the last four years.
This year we have 211 kids in our program. Last year 288, the year before 310 the year before 312.
Also there are 6 kids on my team (Warren Youth football) that will attend Carmel next year. Of those I know for a fact that their tuition will be paid by another individual.
Don't know if that is illegal or not. Not well-versed in that page in the rule book.
The TCYFL, the largest independently run youth league in the country here in Chicago is down 52% in participation in the last three years. Many of the programs in this league are feeders for some very good state programs in cary, Prairie Ridge, BG Bills for Stevenson etc.
Our freshmen numbers at Warren are a third of what they were 4 years ago. We have 50 plus kids out this year, had 104 3 years ago.
Again I've got lots more facts and figures to show the shrinking landscape that PR is speaking of.
Now are Loyolas numbers down? Are they having trouble fielding 2 freshmen, a soph and a JV/Varsity? I think not
Your disdain for public schools is obvious - many have same for private schools.
This year we have 211 kids in our program. Last year 288, the year before 310 the year before 312.
Also there are 6 kids on my team (Warren Youth football) that will attend Carmel next year. Of those I know for a fact that their tuition will be paid by another individual.
Don't know if that is illegal or not. Not well-versed in that page in the rule book.
The TCYFL, the largest independently run youth league in the country here in Chicago is down 52% in participation in the last three years. Many of the programs in this league are feeders for some very good state programs in cary, Prairie Ridge, BG Bills for Stevenson etc.
Our freshmen numbers at Warren are a third of what they were 4 years ago. We have 50 plus kids out this year, had 104 3 years ago.
Again I've got lots more facts and figures to show the shrinking landscape that PR is speaking of.
Now are Loyolas numbers down? Are they having trouble fielding 2 freshmen, a soph and a JV/Varsity? I think not
Your disdain for public schools is obvious - many have same for private schools.
Did I say that kids from private schools cannot transfer? What the hell are you talking about?
And, is this about Loyola or about private schools in general? I keep asking you about specific private schools, and you ignore me. I ask you questions, but you choose not to answer directly. But, Loyola seems to get your blood pressure up.
I never said YOUR numbers weren't down. Pay attention. READ. Don't jump to conclusions. Sure, this is an argument, but it doesn't have to be rancorous...unless YOU take it there. You talked about Loyola's numbers NOT being down. I said I did not know if they were down or not, and asked if you did if you could show me how they are.
First of all, NO student at Loyola pays the full cost of education, because tuition does not cover the full cost of education. Every single Loyola student is subsidized, and that is true at most other private schools A substantial majority of students at Loyola pay FULL TUITION. Some receive NEED BASED financial aid and do not pay full tuition. I never claimed that every kid on the football team pays full price, NOR full tuition. And your POINT is?
If YOU think that there are kids on the football team who are receiving athletic based financial assistance from the school, PROVE it or shut the hell up. I'm sick and tired of innuendo and baseless accusations.
Ramblin.. piss off..
As usual, you are above the rest, oh so much more proper than the rest, and as blind to your self righteous world as ever.
And yes... I know facts about athletic offers kids have received.. been taken to games in Limos... Etc.. And why don't I give your simple mind the smoking gun.. because I know these kids, and Loyola is a great oppurtunity for them... Most people in privates are at least willing to admit it exists. Your avid hypocrisy is to suggest it doesn't.
And why does Loyola raise my BP?
2010, and the ******* STUPIDITY.
As usual, you are above the rest, oh so much more proper than the rest, and as blind to your self righteous world as ever.
And yes... I know facts about athletic offers kids have received.. been taken to games in Limos... Etc.. And why don't I give your simple mind the smoking gun.. because I know these kids, and Loyola is a great oppurtunity for them... Most people in privates are at least willing to admit it exists. Your avid hypocrisy is to suggest it doesn't.
And why does Loyola raise my BP?
2010, and the ******* STUPIDITY.
Of all people to make accusations of recruiting they come from a MS supporter, this is precious! A school that has an open boundary with a coach that recruits from all over Chicago and makes statements like "apartment rents are certainly cheaper in Park Ridge than tuition at those private schools, you should really consider all your options"
Now come on down from your ivory tower PRokie, after all you provoked this discussion!
And one other thing regarding the Park Ridge Falcons youth teams...they were ok and did have a strong run before the Patriots arrived. Were you one of the guys that used to rent a suite at Benedictine to tape every Patriot game?
Now come on down from your ivory tower PRokie, after all you provoked this discussion!
And one other thing regarding the Park Ridge Falcons youth teams...they were ok and did have a strong run before the Patriots arrived. Were you one of the guys that used to rent a suite at Benedictine to tape every Patriot game?
i tell you what beggar boy... name the time and place you personally heard any staff from MS make such a claim, and we will check it out.. not what you "heard". But what you know for a fact with your own experience.
Yes, I'm calling you a liar. Besides, I can tell you our Falcon teams are from park ridge..
Can you say the same?? NO!
Secondly... still begging for money on the board for your poor underprivileged patriots?
Oh that's right... someone told you this isn't the place.
Yes, I'm calling you a liar. Besides, I can tell you our Falcon teams are from park ridge..
Can you say the same?? NO!
Secondly... still begging for money on the board for your poor underprivileged patriots?
Oh that's right... someone told you this isn't the place.
Moosehart during a youth game playoff where both our kids were playing in subsequent games in 2013. Didn't just hear it, the option was posed directly to me to transfer my other son who was a Freshman. And stop the BS about your Falcons they were not all from Park Ridge.
District 207 is NOT an open enrollment district. This has been discussed and put to bed on the board before.
Okay Dude 11 they can chose from the schools within the district and create the need to go to Maine South rather than East. It's funny how all the football players end up at South isn't it.
Again, not true. There is a small overlapping area in 207 where kids can choose between East or South. This area is in Park Ridge. Every single kid that lives in this overlapping area (100 percent of them) go to South. Perhaps you should stop talking with certainty about things you don't know a whole lot about.
does it really matter if a yes or no on the topic in the big scheme of things?
Wouldn't you want to play against the best?
* makes you a better player
* if your good enough - it accelerates recruiting
* if the team is good enough to win a title - it is that much sweeter knowing you beat the best versus a "hollow title" cuz you didn't face the best "private schools"
* I hope they never split into two divisions with two champions (unless those champs are required to play each other for the big enchalitia
why do you think all those national public and private schools play so many national games? Money yes - but To go against the best, for exposure, and if you win them all - the mythical national title tastes that much sweeter. If Bishop Gorman runs the table - only a crazy person would question their SoS.
Now if there was no restrictions on school selection in a public district... oh my! That would have the potential to totally shift the balance to the publics. I can scarcely imagine the team that theoretically be could be put together in D204 with Neuqua, Waubonsie, Metea. It would be nearly impossible to construct and manage - but wow - the one school where the top football players gravitated to would be a total powerhouse. And it would be totally unfair to the other two schools in the district. That will never happen on any large scale in my opinion. Yeah I'm sure a couple of guys would move from apartment complex A to apartment complex B for football and I'm sure that happens now all across the metro area in public school districts and I'm sure it happens for privates as well - but not at any large scale. Exceptions here and there.
As far as the tuition goes. From what I understand from earlier threads - schools don't need to and would never officially risk offering athletic scholarships. However there is nothing stopping a well heeled alumn that moved to Seattle in the eariy 80's loves football. hooked up with Microsoft before it went public - walked away with 100 million and moved back to Chicago and now pays for 10 slots a year at Voodoo's Noah's Ark College Prep high school for 10 worthy student Athletes each year.
Wouldn't you want to play against the best?
* makes you a better player
* if your good enough - it accelerates recruiting
* if the team is good enough to win a title - it is that much sweeter knowing you beat the best versus a "hollow title" cuz you didn't face the best "private schools"
* I hope they never split into two divisions with two champions (unless those champs are required to play each other for the big enchalitia
why do you think all those national public and private schools play so many national games? Money yes - but To go against the best, for exposure, and if you win them all - the mythical national title tastes that much sweeter. If Bishop Gorman runs the table - only a crazy person would question their SoS.
Now if there was no restrictions on school selection in a public district... oh my! That would have the potential to totally shift the balance to the publics. I can scarcely imagine the team that theoretically be could be put together in D204 with Neuqua, Waubonsie, Metea. It would be nearly impossible to construct and manage - but wow - the one school where the top football players gravitated to would be a total powerhouse. And it would be totally unfair to the other two schools in the district. That will never happen on any large scale in my opinion. Yeah I'm sure a couple of guys would move from apartment complex A to apartment complex B for football and I'm sure that happens now all across the metro area in public school districts and I'm sure it happens for privates as well - but not at any large scale. Exceptions here and there.
As far as the tuition goes. From what I understand from earlier threads - schools don't need to and would never officially risk offering athletic scholarships. However there is nothing stopping a well heeled alumn that moved to Seattle in the eariy 80's loves football. hooked up with Microsoft before it went public - walked away with 100 million and moved back to Chicago and now pays for 10 slots a year at Voodoo's Noah's Ark College Prep high school for 10 worthy student Athletes each year.
voodoo,
I hear what you're saying and agree especially considering the privates are already multiplied and SF'd by the IHSA.
Please also note how quickly the holier than thou PRokie shut his yap when I was specific about my claim. I just couldn't continue to listen to his nonsense.
Most of all congrats on the win in Indiana last night. I was pretty confident a few weeks ago that the outcome would be such when talking to a buddy of mine. He had a son graduate from WV and go on to currently play in the Mac and has two Underclassman still in the program.
I hear what you're saying and agree especially considering the privates are already multiplied and SF'd by the IHSA.
Please also note how quickly the holier than thou PRokie shut his yap when I was specific about my claim. I just couldn't continue to listen to his nonsense.
Most of all congrats on the win in Indiana last night. I was pretty confident a few weeks ago that the outcome would be such when talking to a buddy of mine. He had a son graduate from WV and go on to currently play in the Mac and has two Underclassman still in the program.
Jwariku... I didn't **** my trap, I was doing something else..
You can make up all the lies you want to try and sell yourself, but it's fair to say...
You sir are a beggar..
You promote the football life that try's to sell a way out.. you charge to try out, you set all star teams to play community teams and revel in your success like whores.
You sir.... are. As much a hypocrit as it gets
You can make up all the lies you want to try and sell yourself, but it's fair to say...
You sir are a beggar..
You promote the football life that try's to sell a way out.. you charge to try out, you set all star teams to play community teams and revel in your success like whores.
You sir.... are. As much a hypocrit as it gets
PRokie,
1) I'm not making anything up about the Maine South Coaches. What was said was said, to be honest coming from that program and the history it holds was quite flattering. I actually like the coaches there, it's just self righteous folks such as yourself that drive me nuts!
2) The patriots I have always been associated with do not and have not, ever requested or accepted payment for tryouts. In fact as a Pop Warner participant tryouts are not allowed. On the other hand Park Ridge holds player evaluations and. Combine for their travel team (please see attached link). While I may no longer live in Illinois I still have plenty of friends in the area that work hard and for free for many of the area youth programs to support the kids and their success.
3) I never sell anything but education and hard work as a way to a better life. I lecture kids about not ever hanging their hat on a Football life.
4) Every kid that comes through Park Ridge is from Park Ridge. Me thinks not, one simple example Rashard Mendenhall. Born in Skokie and went to Niles North.
http://www.prfootball.com/page/show/1538000-park-ridge-falcons-travel-football
1) I'm not making anything up about the Maine South Coaches. What was said was said, to be honest coming from that program and the history it holds was quite flattering. I actually like the coaches there, it's just self righteous folks such as yourself that drive me nuts!
2) The patriots I have always been associated with do not and have not, ever requested or accepted payment for tryouts. In fact as a Pop Warner participant tryouts are not allowed. On the other hand Park Ridge holds player evaluations and. Combine for their travel team (please see attached link). While I may no longer live in Illinois I still have plenty of friends in the area that work hard and for free for many of the area youth programs to support the kids and their success.
3) I never sell anything but education and hard work as a way to a better life. I lecture kids about not ever hanging their hat on a Football life.
4) Every kid that comes through Park Ridge is from Park Ridge. Me thinks not, one simple example Rashard Mendenhall. Born in Skokie and went to Niles North.
http://www.prfootball.com/page/show/1538000-park-ridge-falcons-travel-football
Jwar Thanks!!
It was great to watch. Wow they had a nice. Compkex down there!! Hopefully the boys can pick up at least one more win (preferably two
) and make the playoffs and have some momentum! Tough game next week versus Naperville North!!Prokie
I dont want to derail your thread - but what are you proposing as a solution? I personally don't see a glaring issue that needs any addressing in Illinois. If you think there is an issue - what is it and what is your suggested modification to make it better?
And no - I am not a private school guy. We briefly had musing about looking into private school options for our kids,...but the area I live in has a fantastic public school education in District 204. All 3 high schools have the same offerings academically and athletically and student can take a very heavy workload if desired. Hell you can take Calculus 3 with multiple variables in high school for pete's sake.
And while there are many benefits to the private route and some that cannot be obtained at a public school...at the end of the day for us....those benefits didn't outweigh the distance, and additional costs.
So I guess I am a public school guy that doesn't see a problem. Please help me to see where the problem is?
PRokie,
When you're confronted with facts you try to distract. Here is the quote from the webpage. The Evans and Combines are to find the best players and eliminate minimum play players. Directly from the web page if you go to the link I provided before. But here it is broken out for you. Keep spinning your web.
Ramblin' hard to believe we are on the same side, feels odd to a point but this guy is just too much.
"Falcon Team Formation
After the successful completion of player evaluations, the Park Ridge Football Board of Directors, Park Ridge Falcon Evaluation Committee, and select coaches will determine if there is sufficient player participation and talent levels to form viable and competitive teams at each eligible UYFL level.
Falcon travel teams will be formed with a maximum of 22 players and a minimum of 16 players based on the philosophy that each player is capable of having a “starting” position. This will help reduce or eliminate minimum play player requirements, and ensure maximum playing time for all participants. Again, players who are not offered a position on a Falcon Football team will be provided a position in the Park Ridge Football House League. "
When you're confronted with facts you try to distract. Here is the quote from the webpage. The Evans and Combines are to find the best players and eliminate minimum play players. Directly from the web page if you go to the link I provided before. But here it is broken out for you. Keep spinning your web.
Ramblin' hard to believe we are on the same side, feels odd to a point but this guy is just too much.
"Falcon Team Formation
After the successful completion of player evaluations, the Park Ridge Football Board of Directors, Park Ridge Falcon Evaluation Committee, and select coaches will determine if there is sufficient player participation and talent levels to form viable and competitive teams at each eligible UYFL level.
Falcon travel teams will be formed with a maximum of 22 players and a minimum of 16 players based on the philosophy that each player is capable of having a “starting” position. This will help reduce or eliminate minimum play player requirements, and ensure maximum playing time for all participants. Again, players who are not offered a position on a Falcon Football team will be provided a position in the Park Ridge Football House League. "
It is not uncommon for relatives and friends pay tuition. But I'm more interested in your other factoid given the R word topic of this thread. You say there are six kids on your team who will attend Carmel. So, how many OTHER kids will be attending public schools? Are the six kids all studs? How many of those six are among the ten best players on your team?
Nobody is debating that fact. But, post away if it makes you feel good.
I have no idea. Why don't YOU do the research, Mr. Journalist, rather than plant seeds of suspicion or make assumptions?
I have very little disdain for public schools. Although, given the lousy job they are doing in general, perhaps I should have more. BTW, I have lots of facts and figures to support that last point. No, Newt, I reserve my disdain primarily for people who have disdain for private schools. The worst disdain is for people who make claims and accusations without the facts to back them up or the stones to report whatever illegal behavior they are able to prove.
All from the website! Black and White!!
Copy and paste must've been how you got to move!!
At no point did I ever question or debate any of this!!! Gee wiz, it's a horrible set up they have huh. So horrible they were prepared to put it out there for all to see. They even put the dates there so the privates minions can come get a sneak peak.
I did not see where they were inviting kids from the south side and two counties away, or did I miss that part? I also didn't see the link to the gofundme page?
And as far as A coach OFFERING anybody anything.. it never happened.
When confronted with the borderless nonsense... and the FINANCIAL NEED that seems to be the umbrella all these folks hide under to justify the obvious..
Rent is cheaper