Roxana Proposal

SiuCubFan8

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This "proposal" would only help scheduling slightly if at all. Talking to fans and event workers during this year's playoffs, I've yet to find someone who likes it. Most don't like the 4-5's getting in.
We won't know how it will help scheduling until it happens and then a few years later to really know. At the end of the day I'm still trying to figure out what big "problem" this is trying to solve. How many teams are left playing less than nine games, not counting teams that had last minute open week(s) due to a program cancelling a season (that is a different conversation)? I don't see a reason to expand just to make the ADs job easier.
Personally, I do not like either proposal but I'll take the expanded playoffs over the "regional district" if it was one or the other.
 

cigaros

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Playoff expansion wouldn't lead to any more quaterfinal blowouts though. Because if you think bad/underserving teams are going to make the expanded playoffs, they wouldn't make the quarterfinals. If someone who could possibly make a quarterfinal from the expanded set of teams, they certainly wouldn't get blown out any worse than the team they beat to get there.

Playoff expansion could potentially make round 2 slightly more interesting with different 4-5 or 3-6 teams having a chance to knock off teams from weaker conferences in the new "first" round.
The comment I made was lower on the list of importance and impact. The biggest concern is injuries. And typically injuries happen between teams which are mismatched. MacArthur (5-1) came to Rochester (5-1) and got a clock put on them after watching one of their players taken off the field in an ambulance because he made a poor decision to not go down when he was wrapped up. MacArthur ended the season 5-4, 5-5 after the playoffs. Rochester is still going at 11-1. Expanding the playoffs on the off chance to create an opportunity for a duplicate of the rare occurrence of a 2023 Nazareth is irresponsible and dangerous. 2023 Nazareth and 2025 Murphysboro (4-5) are not the same.
 
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We won't know how it will help scheduling until it happens and then a few years later to really know. At the end of the day I'm still trying to figure out what big "problem" this is trying to solve. How many teams are left playing less than nine games, not counting teams that had last minute open week(s) due to a program cancelling a season (that is a different conversation)? I don't see a reason to expand just to make the ADs job easier.
Personally, I do not like either proposal but I'll take the expanded playoffs over the "regional district" if it was one or the other.
This is where im at as well. No idea what problem is really being solved here as a whole.
 

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One key factor I have not seen mentioned for whether or not the Roxana proposal will pass is how many schools without 11-man football will participate in the vote. I believe their votes were a deciding factor when districts were passed in 2018 and certainly can be again.

When districts passed, the vote was 324-307 in favor, which was less than a 3% margin. Even if you assume every team that played 11-man football at the time voted, at least 11% of the votes came from schools that did not participate in the sport. There is no way to be for certain how the schools without 11-man voted but it seems fair to assume they heavily favored districts (and will again favor Regionals) for several reasons.

First, most if not all schools without 11-man are much smaller than the average IHSA school. The prospect of 1A schools being able to play other 1A schools would seem appealing if you have a tiny enrollment yourself. Some smaller schools may have recently moved to 8-man but are thinking they could make the switch back up to 11-man if they were protected by Regionals, which would give them more reason to vote in favor of it.

Second, it seems fair to assume schools without 11-man are less competitive in sports (which can at least partially be attributed to smaller enrollments). Because of this, it’s harder to see them joining the train of thought that 3 and 4 win teams do not “deserve” a playoff spot.

Third, instituting Regionals/Districts would remove the impact of 11-man football on conferences in other sports. There are some ADs around the state who do not have 11-man football but have to deal with conference jumping/realignment because of it. From their perspective, 11-man football is a nuisance causing them problems and getting rid of football conferences would resolve the issue permanently.

There are more IHSA voting members without 11-man football now than there were in 2018, so their potential sway has only gone up since then.
 

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One key factor I have not seen mentioned for whether or not the Roxana proposal will pass is how many schools without 11-man football will participate in the vote. I believe their votes were a deciding factor when districts were passed in 2018 and certainly can be again.

When districts passed, the vote was 324-307 in favor, which was less than a 3% margin. Even if you assume every team that played 11-man football at the time voted, at least 11% of the votes came from schools that did not participate in the sport. There is no way to be for certain how the schools without 11-man voted but it seems fair to assume they heavily favored districts (and will again favor Regionals) for several reasons.

First, most if not all schools without 11-man are much smaller than the average IHSA school. The prospect of 1A schools being able to play other 1A schools would seem appealing if you have a tiny enrollment yourself. Some smaller schools may have recently moved to 8-man but are thinking they could make the switch back up to 11-man if they were protected by Regionals, which would give them more reason to vote in favor of it.

Second, it seems fair to assume schools without 11-man are less competitive in sports (which can at least partially be attributed to smaller enrollments). Because of this, it’s harder to see them joining the train of thought that 3 and 4 win teams do not “deserve” a playoff spot.

Third, instituting Regionals/Districts would remove the impact of 11-man football on conferences in other sports. There are some ADs around the state who do not have 11-man football but have to deal with conference jumping/realignment because of it. From their perspective, 11-man football is a nuisance causing them problems and getting rid of football conferences would resolve the issue permanently.

There are more IHSA voting members without 11-man football now than there were in 2018, so their potential sway has only gone up since then.
I think the bigger question is which proposal ends up going to a vote. The Roxana proposal or the Monticello proposal which just expands the playoffs with out the regional scheduling. No chance both go to a vote so it will come down to whether the IHSA committee thinks regions/districts has a realistic chance at passing.
 

LWN_Pheonix

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The “pushback” that I got in favor of the expanded playoffs was
- if you lower the bar to get into the playoffs, teams will play a harder in season schedule….

IMO this is nothing more than a giant participation trophy