Rules question…
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I heard the announcers say that - (maybe it was the Ref) but I don’t think it was enforced that way ?
Could be wrong though.
I’ve never heard of a holding penalty being added to the end of the run. Why would it operate differently than any other non-personal foul? You should either get the play or the penalty.
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It was enforced that way. Green ran to the 27 and they took the next snap at the 17.
It was a running play. If it had been a loose ball play ( forward or backward pass, enforcement would have been from previous LOS. So, its added to the end of the run. Same as for the offense. The yardage is marked off from the basic spot. If the ball is downed beyond the foul, the yardage is marked from the foul spot. If behind the foul, its marked from where the ball was downed. otherwise it's marked from previous LOS if loose ball play occurred.
Thank you. Just still seems disadvantageous since it’s already an auto first down. On the offensive holding they get the play over again at least.
It operates exactly like all other defensive penalties. Ie facemask, horse collar, etc.
But those are personal fouls. We all know those are tacked on. But if, for example, you are offsides the offense either gets the play or the penalty. You don’t get 5 yards added to the end of the play.
You’re describing NFSHA. NCAA is somewhat different but similar. NCAA foul (say holding) on offense behind the basic spot when the basic spot is the previous spot is enforced from the previous spot while a foul by offense behind the basic spot in NFSHA is always enforced from the spot of the foul. (At least as of 2021. I’ve been out of it since then). And there can be both a loose ball play and a running play during the same down.
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True. They are, but because you are used to seeing most defensive penalties being of the PF type. Maybe I used bad examples. Change the example to a defensive block in the back (yes. It’s a foul) or well, holding, or facemask when they had the 5 yard type that’s was not a PF. Offsides has special enforcement in NCAA and is a live ball foul. NFSHA it’s encroachment and it’s a dead ball foul, so there is no end of run or succeeding spot to enforce from.
edit to add NCAA has A LOT of special enforcements. high school has only the all but one principal. All fouls are enforced from the basic spot except fouls by offense behind the basic spot. Plus Post Scrimmage Kick (PSK) enforcement.
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Just seems really punitive. Pass interference (you get the penalty or play) isn’t nearly as bad and that seems like it should be worse than defensive holding on a run.