Russell Named Starter

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Dan Mullen: "Tyler is our starting quarterback. We plan on Tyler being the starter against LSU and going forward."
 

FlotownDawg

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There's no reason we can't use Tyler and Dak the way Northwestern uses Kane Coulter and Trevor Simian. Coulter is the running, spread QB like Dak, while Simian is more of a pocket passer like Tyler. Used properly, both can be effective and keep the defense off balance. However, they've never been used properly before, so I don't know why that would start now.
 

DerHntr

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Even if this is coach speak, I don't like the doubt it could put in our team's minds.
 

drt7891

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Gotta be coach speak. Still trying to ride this train as long as he can to try to force LSU to prepare for two quarterbacks. But then aGAIN, he could be totally serious...
 

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He's not going to start vs. LSU. Prescott is going to start and get the benefit of the doubt at this point. If he struggles, Russell will come in. If he doesn't, Russell won't come in. Dan is simply wanting LSU to prep for 2 QBs.
 

Irondawg

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I guess we'll see but if he's serious - wow, just wow. Dak just goes all man-child on a team we struggled with last year and that's what you say in the post-game presser. I love Tyler, but Dak just won the job to me.
 

NorCalDawg

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Have you seen our offense with Russell in? Not that much to prepare for, so I don't know who Dan thinks he's fooling if this is all for show. I don't mean any disrespect to Russell, but our team is better when Dak is in. If I'm Miles, I prepare for the Dak attack.
 

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FlotownDawg

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Was wondering that myself. He was cleared for contact on Thursday, so why didn't he play tonight, especially if he will be our starter going forward? He hasn't played in a month and you'd think Dan would want to give him some live action and not just throw him in against LSU right off the bat. But this is Dan Mullen we're talking about.
 
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Dak started against Auburn. Auburn beat us. LSU clubbed Auburn. That LSU.

Man goes into the cage. Cage goes into the water. Sharks in the water. Our shark.

Fare thee well and adieu to you, my Spanish Ladies
 

msstate7

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Dak started against Auburn. Auburn beat us. LSU clubbed Auburn. That LSU.

Man goes into the cage. Cage goes into the water. Sharks in the water. Our shark.

Fare thee well and adieu to you, my Spanish Ladies

We played auburn on road. Lsu played auburn at home. We play lsu at home. How does that factor in?
 

Lettucexxxx

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Lsu is good but they arnt sheeet compared to last years D. It's not like Dak is a small guy. I fully expect Dak to carry at least 12-15 times if we have ANY chance of beating LSU. Auburn was Dak's first SEC start. I will play devils advocate and say ,Lets at least give the guy who just put up 289 total yard in the first half of a football game another shot. In Russel's best day, he could not have done what Dak just did. Not the way he did it. Dak controlled the tempo, clock...handled audibles, check downs...no turnovers...no near turnovers.....should have had another passing TD, see Morrow drop. Im not quite sure what you have been watching over the last 7 games but it is VERY clear to me who gives us a better chance to win. Mullen should have an easy decision to make. It's very simple. Dak has "IT" and "IT" is everything, total package. What else are you looking for in a SEC QB? The kid was born to run Mullen's offense.
 

Shamoan

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I think dan means it. sometimes, i think the obvious escapes him at times...not good.
 

Original48

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Still trying to ride this train as long as he can to try to force LSU to prepare for two quarterbacks.
Preparation for two quarterbacks...I never have understood this notion. We run the same offense for BOTH. The only difference is one of em is immobile and will not run.
 

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Even if this is coach speak, I don't like the doubt it could put in our team's minds.

Correct. But I doubt it is coach speak. Mullen is stubborn enough to do this just because everyone else is saying play Dak.
 

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The reason could be two-fold:

1) Even if we feel like Dak should be the starter, we owe it to Tyler to give him a shot to keep his position. I have always been one against losing your job due to injury. Which leads me to the second point.

2) This may be Dan's way of transitioning from Tyler to Dak permanently. Let Tyler start against a good D like LSU: if he does well, good for us and we are doing well against LSU. If he struggles, Dan can have him on a short leash and make the switch to Dak and say it was due to performance and not due to injury.
 

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Just got in from the game. Haven't read any of the replies here except yours, but I agree totally. And just because Tyler starts, it doesn't mean he has to stay in very long. But he certainly deserves a chance since he was our starter and got hurt trying to run OUR team.

It's really a tough situation. Dan justifiably doesn't want to ruin Tyler's chances. As long as he's not hard-headed and puts Dak in at the first sign of trouble, I'm OK with it. Could be a lot worse than having two good ones though ... we could have two bad ones. It's happened before.
 

RocketDawg

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No need to risk further injury. And the Troy players were frustrated and taking cheap shots, and he might have been targeted out of spite.
 

kcbulldog

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The voices must be in Mullen's head about how this could negatively affect recruiting a QB in regards to dethroning a veteran record holding QB after injury along with a sense of loyalty to the 5th year senior QB. He's probably tormented on the inside about this. History lesson is that Mullen's style of offense is stagnant or at best hit or miss with pocket-passers like Chris Leak, John Brantley and Tyler Russell in legit SEC play. You have to have some crazy good play makers outside qb (Harvin, tebow, dallas baker, anthony dixon, etc.) and a nasty D to make up for it. We got away with it last year due to inferior competition. This style of offense is much more productive with a dual threat QB (Tebow>>>>Dak>>Relf). Make the hard decision and do what's best for the program and make a statement that we are going to compete with a dual threat QB and recruit these types of QBs! Thank you Russell for your service and be ready at a moment's notice, but our program should come before catering to the individual needs of one player.
 

kcbulldog

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That will fly in the Big 10. The only coach in the SEC that I've known to pull off a 2 QB circus is the "Ole Ball Coach" when he was at UF and now at SCAR, and he's the only in the SEC who can pull it off.
 

was21

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The voices must be in Mullen's head about how this could negatively affect recruiting a QB in regards to dethroning a veteran record holding QB after injury along with a sense of loyalty to the 5th year senior QB. He's probably tormented on the inside about this. History lesson is that Mullen's style of offense is stagnant or at best hit or miss with pocket-passers like Chris Leak, John Brantley and Tyler Russell in legit SEC play. You have to have some crazy good play makers outside qb (Harvin, tebow, dallas baker, anthony dixon, etc.) and a nasty D to make up for it. We got away with it last year due to inferior competition. This style of offense is much more productive with a dual threat QB (Tebow>>>>Dak>>Relf). Make the hard decision and do what's best for the program and make a statement that we are going to compete with a dual threat QB and recruit these types of QBs! Thank you Russell for your service and be ready at a moment's notice, but our program should come before catering to the individual needs of one player.

For those reasons, it is a tough call. Dan is getting paid $2.65 mil to make tough decisions. I agree that TR should not just be thrown aside, maybe there's some way that he can contribute, but the offense just seems totally different when DP is in there. Maybe TR should start against LSU and go from there. If he makes an obviously poor decision in the passing game early on (which he seems to be prone to do) then he should be benched. For how long, I don't know.
 

Lettucexxxx

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The voices must be in Mullen's head about how this could negatively affect recruiting a QB in regards to dethroning a veteran record holding QB after injury along with a sense of loyalty to the 5th year senior QB. He's probably tormented on the inside about this. History lesson is that Mullen's style of offense is stagnant or at best hit or miss with pocket-passers like Chris Leak, John Brantley and Tyler Russell in legit SEC play. You have to have some crazy good play makers outside qb (Harvin, tebow, dallas baker, anthony dixon, etc.) and a nasty D to make up for it. We got away with it last year due to inferior competition. This style of offense is much more productive with a dual threat QB (Tebow>>>>Dak>>Relf). Make the hard decision and do what's best for the program and make a statement that we are going to compete with a dual threat QB and recruit these types of QBs! Thank you Russell for your service and be ready at a moment's notice, but our program should come before catering to the individual needs of one player.


 

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Preparation for two quarterbacks...I never have understood this notion. We run the same offense for BOTH. The only difference is one of em is immobile and will not run.

LSU preparation......

Quarterback #1.. ( can't run) load the box play man-man.

Quarterback #2. (Ability to beat you with his feet) don't load the box, assign a spy and play more zone.

Not hard*****
 

IBleedMaroonDawg

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Dan is awesome!!!

That will give the sandy vaginas something to woe is me about for the next two weeks. I bet he turned to Collins right before he made that statement and muttered under his breath,"Watch this ****... Ima gonna make the Sixpack and Elite Douche boards explode."
 

HD6

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Considering Collins wasn't in the room, nope, no he didn't.
 

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He also said Russell would start this week if he was cleared.

Exactly. I think Dan is just spewing BS... TR should have played vs Troy if he was cleared.
I hate it for TR, sucks to lose your spot b/c of an injury. Just ask Drew Bledsoe...
 

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I have always been one against losing your job due to injury.
This rule is ********. If your replacement outperforms you, you should have to win your job back after an injury. It sucks, but this is a bottom line game and the bottom line is the best player needs to play. If that means a guy loses his starting job after an injury, that's just the way it is.
 

johnson86-1

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I'm actually ok with this decision.

There's no clear decision here. Had Dak beaten Auburn, I think he gets the start. But since he didn't, I'm ok going with Russell. We're likely going to have a qb controversy regardless at this point. Unless Russell proves that the UM, Northwestern, and OkSt. game are the new normal (which is possible), we're not great with either qb. Russell is still the better qb, but we don't have personell to complement him and we kill him with play calling. Dak is the better fit for our system, and the play calling is much better when the coaches can take advantage of his running abilities, but although I was very happy with Dak's performance agianst Auburn, especially considering it's his first SEC start, that was still a bad team. The Russell from prior to the UM game I think beats Auburn. If we start Dak, he is likely to struggle, and I think you have to have him on a short leash when you have a qb on the bench that played great against LSU last year, even if in reality he is likely to struggle also. That's not a great recipe for Dak. I'd much rather start Russell, let him know his position as starter is secure but that Dak is going to play to let us take advantage of different styles of play. If Dak comes in and is successful, you can ride him until he's not and maybe he does establish himself as the starter.

If not, you end up with what I think is best going forward anyway: both of them playing considerable snaps in each game, with it known that unless there is just a big matchup issue with a particular team, both are going to play at least a third of the snaps. I know that may make it hard to establish a rhythm like that (especially for a pocket passer), but it might avoid both qb's pressing if it is clear it is not so much a competition at this point but a way for the team to get to take advantage of both of their strengths.
 

DerHntr

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I'm actually ok with this decision.

There's no clear decision here. Had Dak beaten Auburn, I think he gets the start.

Dak did do what was necessary to beat Auburn. Our stupid *** prevent defense lost that game. Dak got it done. He had 234 yards passing to go along with 133 yards rushing and two rushing TDs. In a lot of SEC games, that is enough.
 
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