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Who are the next two in the SEC?

Oklahoma and..Clemson/West Virginia/North Carolina/FSU?

Can't see NC coming. Wouldn't want NC State. Florida is PLENTY big for 2 SEC schools that are already playing each other. FSU's national following is at least as big as UF's. Clemson?
 

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The only one in your listings that I could see coming is FSU, but that's because of their fan following. They're the only school outside of the SEC that shares the state with another team that has a chance of getting into the conference. However, I'm sure UF, UGA, USCe, and Tenn will all vote against them.

North Carolina is not leaving without Duke. Oklahoma isn't leaving without OSU and I highly doubt the SEC would go for WVU. I honestly don't see an issue with NCSt. I'd gladly take them. The home run (in my eyes; assuming we don't get FSU) would be VT, but getting them to leave UVA would be pretty hard.
 

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I think the ACC now has a 50 million buyout. Guess that didn't stop Maryland. Oklahoma means OkState too. Those two are tied together. Same with Duke/UNC.
 
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The only one in your listings that I could see coming is FSU, but that's because of their fan following. They're the only school outside of the SEC that shares the state with another team that has a chance of getting into the conference. However, I'm sure UF, UGA, USCe, and Tenn will all vote against them.

North Carolina is not leaving without Duke. Oklahoma isn't leaving without OSU and I highly doubt the SEC would go for WVU. I honestly don't see an issue with NCSt. I'd gladly take them. The home run (in my eyes; assuming we don't get FSU) would be VT, but getting them to leave UVA would be pretty hard.

I would think getting VT to leave UVA wouldn't be that tough. They have only been in the same conf since VT joined the ACC about a decade ago. Not sure if we could get them to leave the ACC though.

Honestly, I'm not sure who we could get to join the SEC. Can't really see any ACC schools wanting to jump. All the "football" ACC schools will probably be hesitant to leave the easier conference. All the "basketball" schools probably don't want to come to the SEC which has no prestige as a basketball conference. NCSt would be the only one I can see maybe being willing to jump. Not sure who else we might go after honestly that would be reasonably expected to jump.
 

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It absolutely will NOT be teams from within the existing footprint of the SEC. This is 100% fact. New membership requires 3/4 majority vote of existing schools. Florida, South Carolina, Georgia, Kentucky, and Texas A&M have a gentleman's agreement to vote down second in-state schools making it impossible. We wouldn't want to anyway, because it brings us nothing in terms of tv markets.
 

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N.C. St. would be an ok option.

Who are the next two in the SEC?

Oklahoma and..Clemson/West Virginia/North Carolina/FSU?

Can't see NC coming. Wouldn't want NC State. Florida is PLENTY big for 2 SEC schools that are already playing each other. FSU's national following is at least as big as UF's. Clemson?

They've got population. The problem is getting their *** kicked in the SEC probably won't help them in football, and being in the SEC would hurt them in basketball. A&M had all the resources to compete in the SEC, they just needed a hook to push past Texas. Being in the SEC gave them that hook. Even if they had a normal A&M team this year that would be middle of the pack in teh SEC at best, it would still help them going forward to be in the SEC.

I'm not sure NC St. can ever compete in football in the SEC, so it's not clear getting an assk kicking in the SEC would improve their position next to UNC in football, and it would kill them in basketball.

Unfortunately, the next move is almost certain to either add another team where we already are in the tv market or add two teams with the same tv markets (i.e., VA and Vatech, Ok and Okst.) All we can do is make sure the tv markets we double up in are worth it (which I would think means Texas or Florida).
 

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Correct. If it happens, it will be Virginia Tech and either NC State or UNC, with an outside shot of Oklahoma replacing one of those. Clemson and Florida State, even though they would be great fits culturally, have no chance.
 

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This is true. And I'm not disagreeing with that. I do think the SEC is making a mistake with this though. Adding Florida State and Texas for example increases the product more than adding new tv markets imo. Plus those teams have a much larger fan following and those two states have way more population than a Virginia or Oklahoma do. It's about new markets but at the end of the day it's truly about tv viewers for advertisers or tv ratings.

With Texas and Florida combined it's 45+ million in population. Already have teams in those states, fine lets divide that in half to get 23 million (although rivals of teams watch those other teams almost as much as their team, just look how many of us watch Ole Miss and I can bet it's the same with Auburn and Bama etc...). You'd have to add the states of North Carolina (10mill), Virginia (8mill), Oklahoma (4mill) and/or Kansas (3mill) West Virginia (2mill) just to get to HALF of the populations of Texas and Florida combined.

We've been told over and over that the SEC only wants new markets in states that don't already have SEC teams. But why though? In order to get to HALF of the populations of Texas and Florida the SEC would have to add 3 schools in new markets not just 2. Why is the SEC limiting itself for single members? It shouldn't be about 1 school but instead about all 16 members and what a maxed out SEC can bring to all 16 members. To me the two schools the SEC should be drooling to get are Texas and Florida State. This would fuel huge rivalries between aTm/Texas and Florida/Florida State. If its about creating the best SEC and best product then Texas and Florida State are by far the best two schools for the SEC to add. Florida, South Carolina, Georgia, aTm and Kentucky are being selfish imo and the SEC should remind them just exactly how much money they are passing up each year by not adding Texas and FSU. I'm just guessing but I'd say it's an extra 10-15 million every year in additional income for each school.
 

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Texas is a non-starter. Those bastards think they are their own conference. I bet we don't even give them a phone call.
 

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It's not all about advertising though; supposedly the kicker is getting the soon-to-exist SEC Network in as many households as possible. Every cable company in Florida and Texas is already going to offer it because there are enough UF and aTm fans to demand it. Adding FSU or Texas wouldn't bring in any new households. However, adding Virginia Tech and UNC/NC State will cause every cable company in those two states to add the SEC Network.
 
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DAWG61

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Ahhhh and there's your answer. Thanks I didn't think about the new SEC Network. That would make UNC or NCState and Virginia Tech the top targets.
 

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Ahhhh and there's your answer. Thanks I didn't think about the new SEC Network. That would make UNC or NCState and Virginia Tech the top targets.

I'm still pretty sure that OU to the SEC was a done deal until expansion was stopped at 2 teams instead of 4. Have to think they are a strong possibility.
 

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It's not all about advertising though; supposedly the kicker is getting the soon-to-exist SEC Network in as many households as possible. Every cable company in Florida and Texas is already going to offer it because there are enough UF and aTm fans to demand it. Adding FSU or Texas wouldn't bring in any new households. However, adding Virginia Tech and UNC/NC State will cause every cable company in those two states to add the SEC Network.

This is it.

Tier 3 rights > tier 1 rights. Tier 1 is the primetime games and matchups. Tier 3 is the new "SEC Network" games likely to be tied to a 9-game conference schedule and likely to begin in 2014.

The SEC network will be here soon. When it is, the SEC will demand a high $$ amount for cable subscribers in the "viewing area" while getting much less around the rest of the country. The difference here goes from about $1/month/household in the viewing area to about $0.10/month/household. Adding Va/Nc, we will get major additional money. Probably be worth $7-10mil/yr to MSU...
 

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I'd be all for adding Florida State. Texas can eat a dick though. I don't care how much they have to offer the conference, they've single handily killed one conference and damn near killed the Big XII. Even though they wouldn't be the main heavy weight in the SEC, I don't like the idea of giving them the chance to try to run the conference.