Rutgers Retains Council to Investigate Football

BuggsyRU

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I drive the the short bus. Your mommy puts you in the back seat and buckles you in.
BTW does your mommy let you go to games?
Come on ShortBus....you can do better than that.

No mention of your "5% crowd catchphrase. You have to try harder.

And you must be a bus driver, because everyone on the bus thinks you're a jerk, like they do a real bus driver.

Give it to us ShortBus.....give us your "5 % crowd...." catchphrase.

We've come to expect it in every post you make. Don't disappoint us again, ShortBus.
 

SkilletHead2

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Come on ShortBus....you can do better than that.

No mention of your "5% crowd catchphrase. You have to try harder.

And you must be a bus driver, because everyone on the bus thinks you're a jerk, like they do a real bus driver.

Give it to us ShortBus.....give us your "5 % crowd...." catchphrase.

We've come to expect it in every post you make. Don't disappoint us again, ShortBus.

Hey guys. Let's drop the short bus references, huh? Lots of folks on this board have kids and other relatives who struggle with physical and mental challenges. No need to disparage those lives.
 

WhiteBus

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Come on ShortBus....you can do better than that.

No mention of your "5% crowd catchphrase. You have to try harder.

And you must be a bus driver, because everyone on the bus thinks you're a jerk, like they do a real bus driver.

Give it to us ShortBus.....give us your "5 % crowd...." catchphrase.

We've come to expect it in every post you make. Don't disappoint us again, ShortBus.
Wow! Your are completely embarrassing. No I won't play along . You are showing you are complete idiot all by yourself. Say hi to mom. BTW Show up to a game in your stroller one of these days
 

Caliknight

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Rutgers is becoming a serious joke.

They spend more on attorney retainers to do investigations then the do on the sports they are investigating.

They must sit around thinking of ways to f*uc the athletic department.

Good luck getting a real coach. They love dealing with this sh*t.

Rutgers is embarrassing.
 

ag67

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1)We are not paying the next coach $2.5M
2)We will not give any promises that we will add money to the facilities
3)If the largest media market was so important then why didn't we have an a-list coach in, well ever
4)There will be at least 10 jobs this offseason that will be a better job than Rutgers.

Sorry but any person who takes the Rutgers job at this time will not be bright.


Priceless!
 

WhiteBus

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Hey guys. Let's drop the short bus references, huh? Lots of folks on this board have kids and other relatives who struggle with physical and mental challenges. No need to disparage those lives.
I, personally have no issue people singling me out with the short bus phrase. It's a sign that idiots are waving the flag and giving me a last desperate shot at me. However, I am in complete agreement that short bus shouldn't be a phrase used on here. Sadly I know many beautiful kids with autism. And I am big supporter of many fundraiser for that support the cause. It just goes to show you how shallow some posters are
 

ClassOf02v.2

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I, personally have no issue people singling me out with the short bus phrase. It's a sign that idiots are waving the flag and giving me a last desperate shot at me. However, I am in complete agreement that short bus shouldn't be a phrase used on here. Sadly I know many beautiful kids with autism. And I am big supporter of many fundraiser for that support the cause. It just goes to show you how shallow some posters are

You are 100% correct. May I also suggest you not engage in those posts by asking if a poster's mommy is going to take him out in the stroller? Doesn't exactly show your best side and makes you seem just as bad.
 

brookdale-soda

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While the general public will not like to hear about recruiting hostesses, IT HAPPENS EVERYWHERE! that said, if I had a daughter, I wouldn't want her to be in that position. Remember Orange Pride at Tennesee?

Even if RU did nothing wrong, I have a strange feeling The NY metro area is about to get a lesson on the unsavory parts of CFB. And ESPN will be happy to teach them and present it as though rutgers is the only program using hostesses.
 

WhiteBus

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You are 100% correct. May I also suggest you not engage in those posts and ask if a poster's mommy is going to take him out in the stroller? Doesn't exactly show your best side and makes you seem just as bad.
I don't see the where one is remotely equivalent to calling out short bus people
 

ClassOf02v.2

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Oh god. What is wrong with that post? Please point out where I'm wrong.

I'm not saying you're "wrong". I'm saying you drop down a level or two by engaging an obviously immature poster with the "mommy" and "stroller" garbage.

And for the record, I accidentally quoted an older post I didn't mean to which probably caused some confusion...my bad.
 

ruhudsonfan

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Ok I am missing something....what the hell are the allegations about drugs?

The law firm in Kansas has video evidence of Elmer Fludd smoking a huge spliff in front of the Princeton Public Library...in a Syracuse Football sweatshirt
 

WhiteBus

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I'm not saying you're "wrong". I'm saying you drop down a level or two by engaging an obviously immature poster with the "mommy" and "stroller" garbage.

And for the record, I accidentally quoted an older post I didn't mean to which probably caused some confusion...my bad.
No problem. And let me explain why I drop the cellar dweller references. I have no issue with those that support the team by actually going and buying season tickets. I have zero tolerance from the 5% crowd who sit in mom's basement and kill those on here who point our reality and than are branded as negative
 

scarletrider

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Here's a wild possibility.

The investigation is occurring because comments made by a former player and issues that came up in the previous investigation have given the President and the AD concern that there may be problems. And so, they have hired a firm to track these issues down.

Maybe they don't have an agenda other than getting at the truth here because they are both doing their job in an intelligent and honorable fashion. And maybe when it's over, they find out that Flood hasn't done anything wrong other than perhaps taking an educational perspective toward drug violation issues.

Maybe it's not too bad. And if not, then KF's future will be decided by what JH thinks the state of the program currently and the potential for improvement is given our financial situation.

Pretty tin hat I know, but not beyond the realm of possibility.

it's not wild at all. i think this is exactly what is going on.
i think the admin wants to keep Flood and the price for his actions around the improper email is the suspension, period.
however, this new allegation about the drug policy violation was made by an ex-player. and they are getting their facts, just like the way they collected their facts about the email. if they do not act on it, it can be considered a negligence, which can put their jobs at risk.
also, it is possible that they have retained a different law firm that is more experienced in drug policy implementation.
and, of course, i would expect a finding to lead to another decision by the admin. if the protocol was followed and was found working, then no correction may be recommended. if not, then they may recommend corrective actions. if, someone violated a policy, then punishment will be delivered. looks like a standard protocol to me. often enterprises retain legal firms to things like this because you need an external objectivity and expertise. this is cost of doing business. not Barchi's fault. i don't like Barchi, but he is doing the right thing here in my book.
 

miklosru

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The findings by an outside counsel (not a council!) could result in the firing of Julie Hermann with a cause. The new AD then would make the decision about the headcoach.
 

WhiteBus

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The findings by an outside counsel (not a council!) could result in the firing of Julie Hermann with a cause. The new AD then would make the decision about the headcoach.
Oh god. Please stop. Your hatred of JH is noted , move on. Kyle Flood is the problem
 
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RU31trap

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I'm not an expert on the subject but isn't this overkill. To hire an outside law firm to investigate an event where punishment was already administered sounds like a staged witch hunt. If it's true that they're trying to build a case to fire Flood I hope they treat the situation in a respectful and discreet manner by allowing Flood to leave at the end of the season.
 

WhiteBus

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I'm not an expert on the subject but isn't this overkill. To hire an outside law firm to investigate an event where punishment was already administered sounds like a staged witch hunt. If it's true that they're trying to build a case to fire Flood I hope they treat the situation in a respectful and discreet manner by allowing Flood to leave at the end of the season.
Well you are almost on point. But they are trying to allow Flood leave respectfully now. Hence today's "leak"
 
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ru66

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leak? barchi was quoted in September that they were hiring a firm that specializes in ncaa infractions-they interview them 8/23
 

RU62

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Hire an outside law firm only reflects no confidence in anything done in house. AR least make dome reference by initial work done by in house people which might lead to.other outside views. Hiring a law firm is interesting....why not hire an investigating firm S there are plenty available thst include former FBI and intelligence people. By the way what does one think a law for does. They go out snd hire an investigation firm and then mark up yhe charges to justify their opinion and raise costs. Does one really think an attorney does any of the investigation leg work?

It's becoming more evident that the University has either no confidence in in-house counsel or review personnel and if course thus is a great way for Barchi to avoid any responsibility for events. It becomes the old Rutgers process of doing things by committee etc. The man has always distance himself from Rutgers athletics and is seldom seen at public events. The recent Athletic Hall of Fame events are a perfect example and even other events honoring people and alumni. He often becomes very conspicuous in his absence whether it be at athletic events or other alumni functions. I guess he msy be acutely aware that any appearance by him at a football game or in thr big board might not be warmly received.
 

ruhudsonfan

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How many times does it need to be written that this new investigation is not to rehash events that already lead to Elmer's suspension (e-mailgate)?

Some of you guys are started to come off as dense.
 

BuggsyRU

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Wow! Your are completely embarrassing. No I won't play along . You are showing you are complete idiot all by yourself. Say hi to mom. BTW Show up to a game in your stroller one of these days

Ahhh man, no "5 % crowd" mention YET AGAIN?

You have really slipped. People are losing faith in your ability.

Come on.....for old time's sake, give us one more? We need to hear it from you. I know you can't possibly let someone else have the last word, so I know you'll come through with your little catchphrase for me, SB.
 

seels2662

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How many times does it need to be written that this new investigation is not to rehash events that already lead to Elmer's suspension (e-mailgate)?

Some of you guys are started to come off as dense.
Then what is it for? I have seen no reports on any incidents that it is connected to. I agree with you by the way, this it is about something else, i just don't know what that something else is.
 

RW90

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When a five member law firm can make a living doing only NCAA violations, something is wrong.

With all the money spent in Division 1 sports, that certainly sounds like a can't miss business plan. I'm just bummed I didn't think of it first, never mind the fact I don't have a law degree.
 

ruhudsonfan

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Then what is it for? I have seen no reports on any incidents that it is connected to. I agree with you by the way, this it is about something else, i just don't know what that something else is.

I think where people are getting confused it is the same firm that was retained in August to OBSERVE the NJ firm which handled the e-mail investigation. They were observing the fact finding to advise the BOG on any potential NCAA infractions re: Flood, contacting profs, undue influence and academic improprieties.

Subsequently, the Kansas firm has now been retained to conduct a "top to bottom" review of the entire football program. According to the reports, this investigation will focus on the allegations made by Terry that he failed multiple drug tests and was allowed to remain on the team and to determine what actually goes on in the Ambassador program.

It is the same firm, retained on two separate occasions to do two separate jobs. In the world of investigations, I'm sure the BOG has already received a bill for their role in observing the e-mail investigation. Now, the clock is running on this separate engagement.
 

RUaMoose_rivals

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who's even defending flood --that's in your slanted mind--but if you can't recognize that the AD gets the reports about who is failing testing and leaves it up to a coach--she should be fired along with flood if policy was broken--I know for a fact pernetti got the reports

amen, JH needs to go too !
 

AreYouNUTS

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amen, JH needs to go too !

I'll say 2 things here:

1) 66 is right - IF Julie is getting the reports, ALL REPORTS, , and allowed Flood to go against RU's athletic drug testing policies, then she should be held equally responsible, no question!

2) That being said, he's making an assumption based on the GS's regime, under Pernetti, which is not fair to do to Julie. I could just as easily make the assumption that Flood is "doctoring" the reports and/or simply not turning them in, or he's only turning some of them in, and not others. Maybe this is what they're trying to find out based on comments from 1 kid who is said to have failed "multiple" tests.

I don't know, I have no idea, just trying to put 2+2 together right now, but neither does 66 or anyone else on the boards, as of today.
 

Ole Cabbagehead

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If the school policy is 4 strikes for Marijuana, isn't it possible that Lloyd Terry's being allowed to stay on the team after "multiple" failed drug tests, was not a violation of team policy?

If the policy is that you are kicked off or suspended after 4, and he failed 2 or 3 drug tests, I am not sure how there is a problem here. If he failed enough that school policy said he had to be kicked off the team, I cannot imagine anyone violated that policy to protect a walk on who had no chance of playing. It just makes no sense.

My belief: This investigation is nothing. The school is just in damage control mode. The obvious next places for the media or NCAA to look are at the ambassador program, because we know LC was sleeping with one, and at these claims made by Terry. SO the school is getting in front of it, and saying let's take a look at everything we are doing, and make sure we are doing it by the book.
 

Knight Shift

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My word. Unreal. Now you saying you are not defending Flood? You throw Julie under the bus but say Flood didn't know. Your Line "Which I doubt" is defending Flood. Open your eyes. Stop sticking you head in the sand. Your defense of this train wreck of an off field season blows my mind.
Never used "which I doubt". As usual, you are confused. That was RU66. You really come off as an idiot.
 

DJ Spanky

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?

To compare with a romantic relationship, the first date is the beginning of a couple's life together, but the wedding is the retention.

I thought the wedding was the sentencing phase.........I keed, I keed.
 

yesrutgers01

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My question would be, what happens if they find that our policy is flawed but Flood followed the flawed policy? Would the only be at risk if he did not follow policy?
If Rutgers only dismisses after 4 violations, he would have to be found to not report violations or not suspend or dismiss a player accordingly.

On the other hand...when it comes to rules...you can always find one that someone broke if you are trying to find one. I broke at least 4 today at work.
 

WhiteBus

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My question would be, what happens if they find that our policy is flawed but Flood followed the flawed policy? Would the only be at risk if he did not follow policy?
If Rutgers only dismisses after 4 violations, he would have to be found to not report violations or not suspend or dismiss a player accordingly.

On the other hand...when it comes to rules...you can always find one that someone broke if you are trying to find one. I broke at least 4 today at work.
I understand your question but from what I have heard was that Flood was not taking any action at all for pot.
And IIRC the NCAA doesn't have set guidelines for drugs, just that each school has a policy in place and they follow that policy.