Saban's recruiting will allow him to surpass The Bear

[FreeDawg]

For arguments sake lets say for their respective time periods, Saban and Bryant are equal as far as coaching. The reason Bryant was so good in his day is b/c he out recruited everyone (helped by no signing limits etc.). Look at what Saban is doing today. With current limits it is mind boggling. Using 247 rankings.

2013- 4 of the top 20 committed. As many as 4 more is possible by NSD.
2012- 4 of top 20 signed
2011- 2 of top 20 (3 of top 23)
2010- 1 of top 20 (3 of top 33)

After looking at this is easy to see that Saban has Bama recruiting trending up. Scary thought huh? This doesnt even account for all the 5 stars and 4 stars he gets. Im only looking at the uuper echelon elite talent. All these guys are their gamebreakers on both sides of the ball. Bama is stock piling their already loaded roster. Long story short, the SEC West, whole SEC, and the entire nation is 17ed.

Saban has won 3 of the last 4 NC. Making a 4 game playoff will make it easier for him to get in the title game. Can he duplicate that again and get 6 of 8 NC's? I think its pretty dang possible and immediately makes him the best coach in CFB history.

 

[patdog]

He's already arguably the best coach in college football history. 4 national championships in his last 8 years coaching college football. Only Frank Leahy's 5 titles in 9 years matches that. Best Bear has ever done is 3 titles in 7 years, and I think one of those may have been a split title. and as you point out, he's probably got at least 1 or 2 more in him.

 

[Shmuley]

One of the 247 board mods posted this morning that they have a high probability of signing 18 of the 247 Top 150.

Eighteen. One, eight.

 

[stinkfoot]

Its amazing how close Bama was to being left out w/ Oregon and KSU having to both lose last weekend. You are right that 4 team playoff will guarantee him even more. That's also why I don't understand the NFL speculation. Unless he catches lightening in a bottle, he will probably only be a good nfl coach. he's approaching being the best college coach ever (...right behind Les Miles).

 

[Shmuley]

One other thing. His successor will likely inherit his own title ala The Hat.

 

[dawgs.sixpack]

Its amazing how close Bama was to being left out w/ Oregon and KSU having to both lose last weekend. You are right that 4 team playoff will guarantee him even more. That's also why I don't understand the NFL speculation. Unless he catches lightening in a bottle, he will probably only be a good nfl coach. he's approaching being the best college coach ever (...right behind Les Miles).

oregon would have stood a very good chance at beating bama. they run a better version of a&m's offense, and oregon's D when healthy was pretty badass. they shut down a high scoring k-state team in the fiesta and shutout a high scoring arizona team earlier in the season. and they have a couple players in the front 7 that are projected to be top 3 round NFL draft picks this year. they were nailed with injuries later in the season. (and let's not bring up games like ark st when oregon was up like 45-3 halfway thru the 2nd quarter and then played scrubs for 2.5 quarters and gave up garbage yards/points).

 

[coach66]

Shmuley, I was told today that Connor is begging for a Bama offer and does

not have a solid offer from them yet but it is probably coming. What say you?

 

[jacksonreb]

not shumley but i can tell you that is not correct.

ETA...to be clear. i'm not saying he might not end up at bama. just that your info is factually incorrect.

 

[FreeDawg]

One of the 247 board mods posted this morning that they have a high probability of signing 18 of the 247 Top 150.

Eighteen. One, eight.

Good lord that's an insane number.

Just for clarification, the reason I picked the top 20 and not just 5 & 4 stars is b/c I have a theory that 1 great player can elevate a good team to a NC type team (Manziel, Cam Newton, etc..). If Bama is signing this many top 20 guys, chances are that they are getting a multiple number of these type players every year.

 

[FreeDawg]

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not shumley but i can tell you that is not correct.

ETA...to be clear. i'm not saying he might not end up at bama. just that your info is factually incorrect.

Request to you & c66. Can this thread not turn into an OM recruiting thread please. The topic has some interesting facts and really good responses so far. Thanks

 

[Shmuley]

I think I can safely predict that Vonn Bell is headed to T-town. Bell was Saban's primary target. Bell's trip to Columbus OH reportedly did not go well. Conner was the plan B if they lost Bell. Conner, in my opinion, unless something happens and Saban loses Bell, will not have an offer.

Another thing. Bama's secondary runs a pretty complex scheme. Rod Woodson could not handle it and ended up washing out and relegated to North Alabama. Would have been great to have his *** in maron, but he took the saban bait. Conner's, um, gray matter is Woodsonish. It would be ...... cranially taxing, shall we say ..... for Conner to learn napoleonic secondary technique. Saban wants Bell for reasons that extend beyond physical abilities.

 

[coach66]

Thanks, I heard something similar today and it surprised me but I guess when

you're bama you can afford to pass on great players like Connor, it explains
alot. Apologies to Freedawg, he is right.

 

[maroonmania]

I don't believe the 4 team playoff helps Bama...

Its amazing how close Bama was to being left out w/ Oregon and KSU having to both lose last weekend. You are right that 4 team playoff will guarantee him even more. That's also why I don't understand the NFL speculation. Unless he catches lightening in a bottle, he will probably only be a good nfl coach. he's approaching being the best college coach ever (...right behind Les Miles).

their titles the last 2 years have BOTH come with one loss where they continue to get the benefit of the doubt over other 1 loss teams because they are Bama and because they are SEC. Now that won't happen, they will have to play their way through another roughly equivalent team before getting to the title game without being handed the chance IN the title game. Also now while Saban will have 30 days to prepare for a semifinal he will only have roughly a week to prepare for the title game so his coaching advantage will get diminished somewhat.

 

[Railin Jemmye]

You and Schmuley both have this wrong......

Read my words you'll understand me. Tony Conner is a 5 star elite level talent. He's not anybody's Plan B. Alabama wants him, who cares about the other guy. He's a guy you simply don't pass on. **** this Nick Saban hype, he's human like the rest of us and he knows you don't pass on a guy like Tony Conner. Of course he has a firm Alabama offer.

Can you honestly hear Nick Saban saying, "Oh too bad, we have too many DBs, let's not take Tony Conner even though he wants to play for me". Just asinine.

 

[121Josey]

oregon would have stood a very good chance at beating bama. they run a better version of a&m's offense, and oregon's D when healthy was pretty badass. they shut down a high scoring k-state team in the fiesta and shutout a high scoring arizona team earlier in the season. and they have a couple players in the front 7 that are projected to be top 3 round NFL draft picks this year. they were nailed with injuries later in the season. (and let's not bring up games like ark st when oregon was up like 45-3 halfway thru the 2nd quarter and then played scrubs for 2.5 quarters and gave up garbage yards/points).

IMO, they would have been a Better matchup with Bama. But having a "very good chance at beating Bama" is another story. They do not run a better version of A&M's offense. They have the run/pass option, A&M runs an Air-Raid offense. Their QB is not comparable to the Man-gazelle (throwing or running). TAMU's O-Line is superior. For Oregon D, you must have not watched the Oregon-USC game. Stanford rushed for 200 yards (4.3/c) against Oregon. So what would a "healthy" Lacy and Yeldon have done to Oregon? K-State was over-rated. They surprised Oklahoma, but the rest of the conference was weak. Baylor (and almost TCU) exposed them. You must have missed also how TAMU destroyed Oklahoma in the bowl game.

Oh, and don't sleep on ND. Even though they lost the game, the computers still said they were the best team throughout the entire season in the nation.

 

[Shmuley]

Bwaaaaaaaaahahahahahahaha ...... You drug addled dubmass. You pass on 5 star guy that is (1) bought and paid for; and (2) capable of a pig style wonderlic and you especially pass on his *** when you have another 5 star without those issues ready to commit. As usual your overmedicated, imbecilic *** is showing.

 

[Railin Jemmye]

If he's bought and paid for, they didn't pass on him. They got beat, like you just did.

Just so we have this straight, the guy is bought and paid for, yet would flip to Bama in a heartbeat if they gave him (the FIVE STAR TALENT in question) a firm, commitable offer? Isn't that what the buy money is, eh, supposed to prevent?

On point number 2, that crap doesn't matter. You don't pass on a Tony Conner no matter who else you have, nobody does. He's not that dumb anyway, apparently he's going to qualify so give that route up. Looking at their commitment list, I see a few guys they'd snatch back their offer from if they felt Conner was going to sign with them.

Think before you post, especially when your feelings are hurt.

 

[SPMT]

not have a solid offer from them yet but it is probably coming. What say you?

If Connor is pretty raw, he's got a deep safety chart to try to climb. He has HaHa, Landon Collins, Nick Perry, Sunseri, and on......

Saban is already better than Bear. RTR.

 

[stinkfoot]

They will get a pass over other 1 loss teams but not undefeated teams...

their titles the last 2 years have BOTH come with one loss where they continue to get the benefit of the doubt over other 1 loss teams because they are Bama and because they are SEC. Now that won't happen, they will have to play their way through another roughly equivalent team before getting to the title game without being handed the chance IN the title game. Also now while Saban will have 30 days to prepare for a semifinal he will only have roughly a week to prepare for the title game so his coaching advantage will get diminished somewhat.

And one of these days, there will be two undefeateds and1 loss teams from the SEC on the outside looking in (four team playoff makes that scenario unlikely).

 

[Shmuley]

Holy ****. I'm arguing with f'n Rainman.