Same song...different verse.

AzzurriDawg4

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Offense:

1. Still overthinking. A few huge plays in the game:
  • The Milton Fumble: Griffin should have been the horse last night. Sure, there were a few plays where he was blown up in the backfield, but when he had a seam, he got at least 4. One of the craziest things last night was that we were running a bunch of stretch plays to try to get outside the tackles with Griffin. It is like the staff is confused on Perkins and Griffin's strength.
  • Griffin runs for 7 yards on first down and we get a delay of game. I saw Mullen say to Russell "you have to get it going" - well, ok, but you need to be on top of it too coach. In that situation, you burn a timeout.
  • Tyler apparently audibles to a QB sneak on a critical 3rd and 3. At least that was the chatter, that it wasnt a called sneak. Maybe he thought it worked effectively early in the game and he wanted to give it another shot, but this time they were expecting run and we needed 3 yards! This happens in a game where Tyler is basically perfect on short passes all game.
  • 4th and 11 in the red zone and we run play action. That is all.

2. Things we did well.
  • Shortened the passing game. Down the field is not where we excel (because of our WR, not Russell), but Russell can make 15yds and under throws all day.
  • Russell was outstanding. As others have said, best thrower I have ever seen at State. Got the ball out on time, did everything we could ask of him. He was failed by our OC. Even on the last 2 sacks. We ran plays that gave him no chance to complete a pass, because every receiver still had their backs turned to him when he was hit. Not enough run mix, getting cute and predictable in the red zone, personnel decisions like running a toss sweep with Milton in his first ever night game at LSU.
  • O-line was adequate tonight.
  • Receivers caught the ball.
  • Griffin might be a beast before he leaves. If we get LDP back healthy this week, we would be smart to finally use them like we did with Ballard and Perk. I have a feeling the staff will build a gameplan entirely around Perkins for Ole Miss, just because he has torched them so badly, but that would be a mistake. Griffin's role needs to continue to increase and Perk needs to be a 3rd down, draw play, passing downs back. Milton and Robinson also have potential, but this is not their year.

Defense:

1. Sigh. The game was lost on the last drive of the 1st half. We all know that. No excuse. Our safety play continues to be awful under this regime. But here is the problem: just like the D-line personnel issues we have talked about, doesnt there come a time when you say... we cant get any worse so lets try something different. And maybe putting Hughes in tonight was an attempt at that, but I was thinking about running a hell of a lot less zone coverage than we do. I mean, run a Cover 2 Man if you want, but have Banks and Slay locked up 90% of the time. That puts a little more pressure on our LBs when they motion us out of a zone in the run game, but aGAIN, it couldnt get much worse. Also, let see some more of Dee Arrington.

2. As 8dog said last night, when Quay was in, he was disruptive.

3. Great to finally see Autry do something special. He played well all night really. As I said a couple weeks ago, I thought he had a few big games left in him and he could really turn it up next year. He is playing much better than any other starters on the DL. Kaleb Eulls is a great kid and a good story, but he brings next to nothing to the football field at DE. Cherrington is completely non-impact and Boyd is really just league average.

4. I try not to overreact with this unit, especially after seeing what A&M did with Bama yesterday, but the bottom line is that there are still huge problems that have been apparent all year. DL is soft, middle of our defense is soft (thanks for covering #80 fellas), and we consistently have huge breakdowns in zone coverage.

5. Crazy play nobody is talking about: When Landry fumbled that ball it lands between his legs and I swear the moment the scrum went down I turned to my friend and said "Nickoe has it." The scrum is broken up and Nickoe comes out with the ball....so.......WTF?

While our offense still has the potential to put a lot of points on the board vs. these last 2 teams, we dont want to be in shootouts with them, because we are still too prone to the bonehead drive killing mistakes to rely on our offense. I feel good about Arkansas, but right now I am seriously concerned about Ole Miss.

Hoping for 9-3 and Chikfila.
 
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57stratdawg

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The play action on 4th and 11 cost us, because the S doubled Malcomn Johnson. Bumphis was open in the endzone, but that half a step let the DE get to him.
 

AzzurriDawg4

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Let me clarify that I am definitely NOT in the camp of cake eaters that is all

whiny about Mullen and only beating the teams we are supposed to and never beating good teams, yada yada yada.

Give me a break. You people have no perspective.

I am extremely pissed about some of the things that I see out there, but I can at least still see the big picture. 3 winning seasons and bowl games in a row and this bunch thinks we should be among college football's elite. It is not defeatist to understand where we have come from and what an impressive feat it is to be where we are. It is not backwards thinking to be happy with even a 7 win season. This comes from a person that was in school during the SEC championship and 1999. I was spoiled by those years, but even I know what came before them and the 10 years that came after.
 
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The failed tossed to Milton...

..I remember in the late 1980's MSU was playing Ole Miss in Jackson. Todd Jordan was our QB. Anyway, Ole Miss was ahead but we had a nice drive going. Got into the red zone & what should happen? Jordan tossed the ball back to a RB who pulled a Milton. Fumble, of course. That drive, which may have been the winning drive, was forfeited. (I was sitting in the west end zone & had a bird's eye view of the whole thing). Moral of story: Toss sweeps do not work @ MSU. Never have, never will. 2 things that will never work @ MSU: Toss sweeps & lateral passes (we'll throw at least 6 lateral passes against Arkansas, & all of them will go for either 0 or negative yards).
 

AzzurriDawg4

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There is no question. Not only that, it basically sacrifices your RB in the pass protection scheme. We run play action with our RB, who was not going to be a viable threat with 11 yards to gain AFTER running a play action threat. Then, after the PA, he is far too shallow in the pocket to pick up a defender to block. Just a horrid play call.
 

Dog.sixpack

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Nickoe did recover it. Banks was the only one arguing for us. Nickoe was very nonchalant about it.

The delay of game was the clock operator/official's fault. It should have been 40 seconds from the end of the run, but was only 25 seconds.

We have lost to 3 "very" good teams. We just need to beat the last two good teams.
 

AzzurriDawg4

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One more thought: we can be Kansas State when Mullen gets his Collin Klein.

Or V-Tech when he gets his Vick. And that certainly may be Dak Prescott's JR and SR years. Tyler Russell is an extremely talented QB. He just came along at the wrong time in the wrong system. It is so perfectly Mississippi State that we get probably the greatest QB in school history at a time when we have a run-first spread option coach.

Lot of parallels between us and Kansas State. Manhattan/Starkville. State College. Always have a good RB. They have been consistently better than us (with obviously a dominant run in the late 90s), I would say, but Mullen has put us on par with them - for the average years. The difference is that they have hit it big with guys like Josh Freeman and Collin Klein at QB and had great years sprinkled in (and they have played in a weaker conference). Talent equalizing dual threat QBs are the holy grail of college football.

Same goes with V-Tech. But KSU and VT dont have to play Bama and LSU every year. Perspective.
 

jcdawgman18

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Prior to Bill Snyder, though, they were one of the worst programs in the history of college football. So that should be even more of a glimmer of hope if you go with your parallels.
 

#helpstate

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whiny about Mullen and only beating the teams we are supposed to and never beating good teams, yada yada yada.

Give me a break. You people have no perspective.

I am extremely pissed about some of the things that I see out there, but I can at least still see the big picture. 3 winning seasons and bowl games in a row and this bunch thinks we should be among college football's elite. It is not defeatist to understand where we have come from and what an impressive feat it is to be where we are. It is not backwards thinking to be happy with even a 7 win season. This comes from a person that was in school during the SEC championship and 1999. I was spoiled by those years, but even I know what came before them and the 10 years that came after.

Nice to have winning seasons, but at some point Mullen needs to prove himself by winning against stronger opposition. Next season okst is a step in that direction. Right now our hope is playing sun belt teams and UK and hoping a few SEC teams are having a bad year. The aim must be to compete even when au, ark, ut, are in fine form. Maybe that's impossible for state, but that's the job.
 
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Nice to have winning seasons, but at some point Mullen needs to prove himself by winning against stronger opposition. Next season okst is a step in that direction. Right now our hope is playing sun belt teams and UK and hoping a few SEC teams are having a bad year. The aim must be to compete even when au, ark, ut, are in fine form. Maybe that's impossible for state, but that's the job.

Sure that is the job and the ultimate goal. However, in order to build the mansion, a strong foundation has to be laid first. Dan is still in the early stages of the construction of the foundation. It can be argued that Jackie first laid the foundation in the late 90's, but his last three years coupled with 5 years of Crxxm dynamited that foundation, then dynamited the rubble, brought in dirt to cover the construction site and planted a new orchard of trees over it.

Outside of some defensive talent left by Crxxm along with a few upperclass OL who were good to very good, Dan has had to start from essentially nothing. The fact that we are about to go to our third straight bowl game is amazing. The fact that we were 6 inches from being bowl eligible in year 1 is nothing short of miraculous. The fact that we are likely to have Dan's second 9 win season in 4 years is huge. In my mind, the laying of our foundation is going quicker than expected. Is there still plenty of room for Dan to grow and improve as a coach? No question. However, for many here to be expecting to win against stronger opposition already considering our overall history, our recent past (namely the 8 years immediately preceding Dan), and our lack of resources in comparison to those we are battling is just silly. 3 teams in our division have won the NC in the last 5 years; not our conference, but our division. Another has been in the BCS.

If Dan can make us an 8-4 team on average for 6 or 7 years, that is when you will start to see us truly having the opportunity to step up. I mean AU, with tons more resources and history than us has been, on average, and 8-4 team for the last 30 years. Sure, they have had their moments of greatness, but they aren't near the level of dominance you would imagine for being one of the "big 6". LSU had a losing record for the decade of the 90s. If not for Saban, LSU would probably still be rather average in the realm of the "big 6".

Expecting Dan to win against the big boys right now when the big boys are up on top is way premature.
 

Irondawg

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My initial reaction was the same thing, but when I saw the replay, Griff immediately bolts down the middle of the field into a route. So I wondered if maybe he was the look b/c from they showed on TV, nobody picked him up. Once again hard to tell. However, knowing the DE's were starting to win those battles you have to keep somebody back there to help TR out.