School Re-Opening

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Rex Kwon Do

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If you’re in Lou or Lex with kids in public schools and haven’t scrambled at the speed of light to get into private then I don’t know what to tell you. Yeah it’s expensive but your kids are getting *completely* screwed.

And for a long time (ever?). I sincerely doubt they go back to “full go” even next year. Certainly not going this year (jcps). In their worldview, why should they?

btw do we get a refund on jcps’s $90m lol transportation budget?
 

CatsFanGG24

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Dec 22, 2003
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If you’re in Lou or Lex with kids in public schools and haven’t scrambled at the speed of light to get into private then I don’t know what to tell you. Yeah it’s expensive but your kids are getting *completely* screwed.

And for a long time (ever?). I sincerely doubt they go back to “full go” even next year. Certainly not going this year (jcps). In their worldview, why should they?

btw do we get a refund on jcps’s $90m lol transportation budget?
They picked a great year to run the JCPS tax hike on the ballot. Eff em.
 

jtrue28

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Jeeeeeesus Christ. Eff this ****. We’ll be enrolling in the private schools then.
 

LowerLevelSeatA

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From one of the FCPS board members. Usually the most clear headed one, and also the most vocal.

“Here's what we know based on the information received this morning. I was able to join the meeting briefly and ask questions of our local public health officials. I appreciate them and representatives from UK taking the time to share information with the Board.

I asked Dr. Humbaugh, Commissioner of the Lexington-Fayette County Health Department, specifically if, based on the available data, we were experiencing substantial community transmission of COVID-19. His answer was yes. This is reflected in data reported by the Kentucky Department of Health, the Lexington-Fayette County Health Department, and the White House's Coronavirus Task Force.

Based on this public health reality, the path to returning to in-person instruction in the immediate future is difficult. Certainly the relatively high number of COVID-19 cases at University of Kentucky is having an impact on Fayette County's reported Incidence Rate. But Dr. Humbaugh noted that, even if you removed these cases, Fayette would still be experiencing accelerated spread of the virus and be designated an "orange" county. At the same time, the transmission of the virus at UK also means that the virus is present and being transmitted in the community.

I know many are frustrated and feel like UK's inclusion in the count will make it harder for us to stabilize rates of transmission. As I underscored yesterday, it is a reminder that reducing the spread of this virus is a shared endeavor. We have to work with the city, the university, and all stakeholders to take meaningful steps in this direction.

Based on the information that I have received, I am not convinced that we have to wait until a vaccine is available to return to in-person instruction. The best estimates put widespread vaccine distribution "well into 2021." Waiting until then, I don't think, is a tenable solution.

I do think that this is an opportunity for us to be creative and engage our educators and families in developing options as we navigate the realities of this pandemic--a pandemic with which we will have to live for the next several months.

I know folks want answers now, immediately. I know people want a specific date. But pandemics, as we have learned, don't operate on our preferred schedules. How do we move forward? One step at a time. Here are some of my thoughts moving forward:

1. Continue to monitor relevant data and evaluate it in our community context. This includes being mindful of community transmission. The response cannot be "UK doesn't count" if the UK data tell us that there is widespread transmission of the virus in our community.

2. Collaborate and communicate with the University of Kentucky, LFUCG, and other stakeholders to work toward reducing rates of community transmission.

3. Avoid "all or nothing" thinking. Again, we must be creative. Does this include creating opportunities for small pods of students who need additional supports? How can we make creative use of our facilities during extended closures to support families? We have an incredible pool of talent to tap into: our educators--the people who know our students the best. We must engage them and our families--who know what's happening "on the ground"--to work toward solutions as we move from remote to in-person instruction. They absolutely have to be included in this conversation.

4. To that end, how can we maximize our supports and resources to our students and families--especially those who need special education services and who rely on our schools for so much more than learning?

5. Speaking of being creative, we have to consider that there may be families who opted into NTI-2DL because of their commitment to our specialized programs or other services but who won't be comfortable with a return to in-person instruction. Likewise, there may be staff who aren't comfortable returning. I will continue to advocate for a "third option" that involves some form of virtual learning for those families who are not in the Virtual Learning Academy when a decision to return to in-person instruction is made. We have seen this approach in other districts, including where I teach.

6. Communicate clearly, consistently, and meaningfully. I know that this is a difficult time for all of us. I never imagined when I ran for this position I would be serving in the middle of a global pandemic. But I didn't ask for you to place your trust in me because I thought it would be easy. I recognize my obligation to be as open and transparent as possible. I will continue to engage in that conversation. And I will continue to expect clear and consistent communication from the district to our stakeholders.

7. The challenges presented by this pandemic do not excuse our obligation to be kind and civil to each other. This is not a political debate. This virus does not discriminate in terms of political party, although we do know it disproportionality impacts our Black and Hispanic neighbors. That, too, is an important consideration as we think about the impacts on our children, our staff, and their families in FCPS. Families have lost loved ones because of this pandemic. We defile their memory if we use this pandemic to devolve into political pettiness. And my number one commitment through all of this noise must be the health and safety of our children, our staff, and their families.

Our choice, ultimately, is not "NTI" vs "in-person." It is, at its core, about the safest path forward for our community in the context of a global pandemic. We won't be in this pandemic forever. And developing solutions will require all of us working together now and moving forward.”
That message from was from Fayette County School Board member Tyler Murphy. He is a teacher in Boyle County and has told people that he will go back to his teaching job in person when Boyle County resumes Sept 30. So he won’t send our kids back (because he is making a political stance in my opinion) but has stated he will go back to the classroom himself to teach.
 

cole854

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From one of the FCPS board members. Usually the most clear headed one, and also the most vocal.

“Here's what we know based on the information received this morning. I was able to join the meeting briefly and ask questions of our local public health officials. I appreciate them and representatives from UK taking the time to share information with the Board.

I asked Dr. Humbaugh, Commissioner of the Lexington-Fayette County Health Department, specifically if, based on the available data, we were experiencing substantial community transmission of COVID-19. His answer was yes. This is reflected in data reported by the Kentucky Department of Health, the Lexington-Fayette County Health Department, and the White House's Coronavirus Task Force.

Based on this public health reality, the path to returning to in-person instruction in the immediate future is difficult. Certainly the relatively high number of COVID-19 cases at University of Kentucky is having an impact on Fayette County's reported Incidence Rate. But Dr. Humbaugh noted that, even if you removed these cases, Fayette would still be experiencing accelerated spread of the virus and be designated an "orange" county. At the same time, the transmission of the virus at UK also means that the virus is present and being transmitted in the community.

I know many are frustrated and feel like UK's inclusion in the count will make it harder for us to stabilize rates of transmission. As I underscored yesterday, it is a reminder that reducing the spread of this virus is a shared endeavor. We have to work with the city, the university, and all stakeholders to take meaningful steps in this direction.

Based on the information that I have received, I am not convinced that we have to wait until a vaccine is available to return to in-person instruction. The best estimates put widespread vaccine distribution "well into 2021." Waiting until then, I don't think, is a tenable solution.

I do think that this is an opportunity for us to be creative and engage our educators and families in developing options as we navigate the realities of this pandemic--a pandemic with which we will have to live for the next several months.

I know folks want answers now, immediately. I know people want a specific date. But pandemics, as we have learned, don't operate on our preferred schedules. How do we move forward? One step at a time. Here are some of my thoughts moving forward:

1. Continue to monitor relevant data and evaluate it in our community context. This includes being mindful of community transmission. The response cannot be "UK doesn't count" if the UK data tell us that there is widespread transmission of the virus in our community.

2. Collaborate and communicate with the University of Kentucky, LFUCG, and other stakeholders to work toward reducing rates of community transmission.

3. Avoid "all or nothing" thinking. Again, we must be creative. Does this include creating opportunities for small pods of students who need additional supports? How can we make creative use of our facilities during extended closures to support families? We have an incredible pool of talent to tap into: our educators--the people who know our students the best. We must engage them and our families--who know what's happening "on the ground"--to work toward solutions as we move from remote to in-person instruction. They absolutely have to be included in this conversation.

4. To that end, how can we maximize our supports and resources to our students and families--especially those who need special education services and who rely on our schools for so much more than learning?

5. Speaking of being creative, we have to consider that there may be families who opted into NTI-2DL because of their commitment to our specialized programs or other services but who won't be comfortable with a return to in-person instruction. Likewise, there may be staff who aren't comfortable returning. I will continue to advocate for a "third option" that involves some form of virtual learning for those families who are not in the Virtual Learning Academy when a decision to return to in-person instruction is made. We have seen this approach in other districts, including where I teach.

6. Communicate clearly, consistently, and meaningfully. I know that this is a difficult time for all of us. I never imagined when I ran for this position I would be serving in the middle of a global pandemic. But I didn't ask for you to place your trust in me because I thought it would be easy. I recognize my obligation to be as open and transparent as possible. I will continue to engage in that conversation. And I will continue to expect clear and consistent communication from the district to our stakeholders.

7. The challenges presented by this pandemic do not excuse our obligation to be kind and civil to each other. This is not a political debate. This virus does not discriminate in terms of political party, although we do know it disproportionality impacts our Black and Hispanic neighbors. That, too, is an important consideration as we think about the impacts on our children, our staff, and their families in FCPS. Families have lost loved ones because of this pandemic. We defile their memory if we use this pandemic to devolve into political pettiness. And my number one commitment through all of this noise must be the health and safety of our children, our staff, and their families.

Our choice, ultimately, is not "NTI" vs "in-person." It is, at its core, about the safest path forward for our community in the context of a global pandemic. We won't be in this pandemic forever. And developing solutions will require all of us working together now and moving forward.”

Cliff's Notes....we are going to delay this as much as possible and keep analyzing all of the data in order to do so, despite the fact that this isn't going away anytime soon.

These people can continue to throw out all of their covid speak until they are blue in the face, and claim to be pro-student....all the evidence to the contrary, however. I hope they are sleeping well because you can be certain many parents and students are not due to their asinine decisions.
 
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anthonys735

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Jan 29, 2004
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There are so many frustrating quotes in that article. From the leaders and teachers.

This is just a misunderstanding of IFR and Mortality Rate. From the head of a national teachers union. If you think this is about safety of our children and teachers, you're delusional.

“When we look at the data and they say only .1 per cent of kids will contract it and get seriously ill and die, that’s actually around fifty thousand children.” I noted that the number of children known to have died of covid-19 nationwide was around a hundred. She said her estimate was what could happen if kids did go back to school.

She put little stock in the data showing that the virus had far less effect on children. She noted the subset of children with covid-19 who had got seriously sick with inflammation of the skin, eyes, blood vessels, and heart, which received a lot of media attention in the late spring. She cited the findings from the South Korean study. (A week after our walk, the Times reported that additional data from South Korea was casting doubt on the initial findings.) “They’re carriers,” she said, referring to children. “They’re supercarriers.”


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jtrue28

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Feb 8, 2007
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Too little, too late. They already said, even if they approve back to school/hybrid during today's meeting, it'll take another 2 weeks to get ready. Because for chrissakes what have they been doing all summer and fall, to not be ready now...
 

LowerLevelSeatA

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Jun 2, 2005
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Whenever they do approve it, two weeks later they will say well things changed we aren’t going back.
I think Covid issues with our superintendent is actually just one of many issues with Fayette County Public Schools. I had a board member tell me there has been questionable things going on there for quite some time, they just don’t have the votes to take action as board leans heavy towards manny. Need a complete overhaul of the board so we can get manny outta here quickly. Google his past where he was run out of other towns. He is a joke!
 
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funKYcat75

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Apr 10, 2008
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They have not thought this through all the way. Tyler Murphy is killing them with the logistical questions.
 

funKYcat75

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About special/arts classes, about teachers not really being in the loop for these decisions, about what the day would even look like for kids who are at home. I know one of the tech directors has recommended that teachers should not teach directly to kids while they are at home, but that seems to have fallen on deaf ears.
 

funKYcat75

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It’s almost like the board has had very little input on all of this, But they’re the ones who will be voting.

Maybe I’m wrong, but I think we’re out until November. We’ll see if they ever get to voting.
 

McDrama

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Jan 3, 2003
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It’s almost like the board has had very little input on all of this, But they’re the ones who will be voting.

Maybe I’m wrong, but I think we’re out until November. We’ll see if they ever get to voting.
That’s what it sounds like. At the earliest elementary schools may start in November. Grade 6 and 9 two weeks later. The rest 2 weeks after that. Hybrid model.

But they still haven’t voted.
 

funKYcat75

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Aiming for hybrid return for elementary Nov 2 if we get to and stay in orange/yellow.

Kids may come to school for targeted services (special ed, ESL, etc) in small groups starting on the 19th. For now, just elementary in the afternoons.

Sports keep going.
 

Strokin_Bandit

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Dec 21, 2001
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My two kids are on a hybrid schedule. My wife and I are both educators. She teaches on a hybrid schedule, but is teaching classes at school every day. I’m in a virtual district and conduct on-line classes every day. On my kids’ days off, they’re expected to do work and complete assignments on their own.

Students in my wife’s district are only in school 2 days but are expected to cover 5 days worth of content. That means for 3 days, my 5th and 7th grader get to pretend they’re on-line college coeds. You can imagine how well that goes.

What I’m trying to say is, hybrid sucks worse than any other option you could conceive, especially for working parents/educators with kids. Sucks hard.
 

anthonys735

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My two kids are on a hybrid schedule. My wife and I are both educators. She teaches on a hybrid schedule, but is teaching classes at school every day. I’m in a virtual district and conduct on-line classes every day. On my kids’ days off, they’re expected to do work and complete assignments on their own.

Students in my wife’s district are only in school 2 days but are expected to cover 5 days worth of content. That means for 3 days, my 5th and 7th grader get to pretend they’re on-line college coeds. You can imagine how well that goes.

What I’m trying to say is, hybrid sucks worse than any other option you could conceive, especially for working parents/educators with kids. Sucks hard.
Think it would have been better to just say, "no class or no nti at all until full open, then we'll go until caught up"?

Do a minimal Xmas Break, shorten Spring Break, lengthen the day an hour, run through most of Summer.

From everything I've heard it seems like at best we're spinning our wheels and staying in place and most likely actually regressing.
 

funKYcat75

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Hybrid plan was a mess from the get-go, so I’m not surprised it was shot down. FCPS would have had some kids in VLA, some kids at home full-time with their school’s teacher, some kids coming on Monday and Tuesday, and the rest coming on Thursday and Friday. Oh, and some kids four days a week. So five different teaching/learning scenarios. Just absolutely no way it would have worked out well for anyone.

Teachers, students, and parents overwhelmingly said through surveys that they wanted some kind of in-person learning. Gonna be a lot of mad people. I’m not sure if the super remains on much longer.
 

Rex Kwon Do

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Lou and Lex won't be back this school year.
JCPS won’t go back full next year. Hybrid at best. I’m not 100 that they aren’t going to try to change their model semi-permanently...they have 3 more years of full blown cover with Gov Beshear and by then whatever way they choose will be entrenched and shan’t be undone.

If you have a kid in JCPS, are worried about the finances of private school, and aren’t working 2-3
jobs or driving Uber on weekends I don’t know what to tell you.

Go ahead and write that prediction down btw.
 

KRJ1975

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Mar 3, 2015
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It will be August before they go back.

I’ve worked at home for years and my wife is a homemaker so the virtual learning is just fine for us. I’d advocate never having them go back.
 
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My wife’s district has been in person four days/week since August.

After fall break, my son’s district moved from two days/wk to four days/wk.

Both districts honored Andy’s request to start the year the last week of August instead of their usual first week.

They both had ~70% going in person In August. That number has grown since fall break.

I’ve mentioned before that I have a neighbor that masks up alone outside on her 20 acre property with her green porch lights on. She sent her first and third grader back after fall break. It’s hard to keep the fear going when the guinea pigs didn’t come home in body bags.

You guys live too close to Andy or Andy lives too close to you.
 

KRJ1975

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Also, my kid has a way better chance of getting shot at school vs getting shot in my house.