School Re-Opening
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The difference is that they all usually do it together and through a rigorous process. He is making decisions that directly impact kids mental and physical well being by himself, and with significant opposition that he is ignoring. I don't care what side of the fence you are on, having one political being make decisions that directly impact my freedom or opportunity is not accceptable.
No doubt. They've been out the whole time making sure the world is still turn so you're very comfortable baking bread and planning extended vacation during your "quarantine."
If you have a kid who plays sports, and you make them sit at home for an extended period of time then you would completely understand. It isn't just the physical aspect, it's the mental wear of not getting the release of competing.
So now teaching my kids is "dealing" with them? Then maybe I can keep some of those tax dollars that go to the teachers.
He most certainly doesn't want to do that. Ruins his argument.
Correct, but just for sake of that argument understands kids playing sports are sweating all over each other, no distancing. full contact, sharing water, disgusting animals. In a class room, while they're inside, that is much less likely. I for both being allowed, but if I had to chose, it would obviously be school first.
It's all value vs risk at this point. I personally place in-person education as one of the important values. So it would have to be pretty f*cking risky for me to eliminate it. We've made a lot of concessions and I don't understand why getting kids in classrooms would be one not worth the effort. Especially when parents have the option to opt out.
With direct pressure applied by the governor's office and KDE pushing like hell, including threats, to not re-open.
I agree to an extent. But one doesn't necessarily have anything to do with the other. Some are trying to fool us into believing that we have to pick one over the other or that they aren't to be treated independently. Others are also not taking into consideration of the effects (re the virus) if you don't play sports or have school. (I'm not going to address the negative emotional side effects of not having school or sports. We know those are VERY bad and they exist).
Let's start with what we know people do if we don't have "school".
A. We know that kids socialize more and hangout/visit with their friends more often. (increased risk)
B. We know that we don't have hundreds, or even thousands of kids crammed into overcrowded schools. (decreased risk)
C. We know that people take more vacations when school is out of session (increased risk)
D. Kids aren't screened for symptoms of the virus if they aren't coming to school everyday. For example, my kids have to look into a thermal camera twice a day at their school to get their temp checked. (increased risk)
E. Kids don't wear masks as much. (increased risk)
In summary, we've got four known things that probably increase the risk of somebody becoming infected by not having school. One Biggie, putting people into big crowds could increase the spread.
I'm not saying one is worse than the other necessarily, although we've seen from around the world and even in the USA so far with some schools going back that at least to this point there hasn't been a massive increase in spread in those communities. We will know more in the next few weeks.
Regarding sports, the same exercize. I'm focusing soley on not allowing KHSAA sports as the governor has not indicated that he would have banned all sports if he had told the khsaa to not play. This is important.
Not having KHSAA sports increased/decreased risk
A. By not having KHSAA sports you probably have fewer kids playing sports. However, you likely have a lot of kids who would then go join Club teams with far fewer precautions taken to limit the spread. (Temp checks, symptom checks etc...) Net/wash
B. By not having KHSAA sports kids would still socialize with their friends and be around them. perhaps even playing pickup games Decreased risk, but maybe not as much as we think)
C. By forcing kids into club sports you would see significantly more travel. Hotels, overnight trips, out of state, and probably more games. (increased risk)
I"m sure there are more points to be made on both sides. My point is that you can't look at it as simply "If we cancel it eliminates the risk". In fact, by canceling KHSAA sports you create a huge vacuum that would absolutely get filled by travel teams that could easily create as much or more risk for communities.
Are you under the impression that kids w/ masks, social distanced w/ the desks, organized classroom seating, along w/ numerous other safety factors implemented will be at a higher risk than playing football?
Nope... I'm under the impression that there are balancing acts with all of this and that the reality is that there isn't a public school in the state who can go 5 days a week and keep all kids 6 feet apart and have them wear their masks all the time. We are trying, we should try, but this isn't black and white. And again, it's a false narrative to try and pit one against the other.
Maybe I am confused but 6 feet is considered social distancing where you don't need to wear a mask. If you wear a mask you can have closer contact as long as you sanitize.
It's been stated over and over that if you're indoors with a crowd of people, whether you are 6 feet apart or not you need to wear masks.
But my main point is that only those schools who have about half of their students doing NTL can space kids out 6 feet in classrooms.
Which is still infinitely less of a risk than playing a contact sport. That isn't debatable.
LOL. "That isn't debatable" Now that's funny.
How many outbreaks have we heard about resulting from games? Practices?
The fact is, we really don't know what transmits the disease more than anything else.
I think it's a similar overall risk.
A. In the course of a soccer or football game a player might come into direct contact with another 20 or 30 players from your team and the opponent. In the course of a school day, a high school kid who has to switch classes might have to come into contact with 300-400 kids? the contact of the 11 or 12 from a football or soccer game would likely be "closer" than the 300 or 400 from school, but what are the odds of one of the 11 or 12 in a football game having the virus?
B. Further, the sports teams are doing far more stringent symptom checks on a daily basis before practices and games. For school, it's a simple temp check. I know my kids who are participating in KHSAA practices right now have to fill out a questionnaire and get their temp checked before practice. They aren't having to do that when they walk into school. One simple temp check is it.
My point still stands... It's a false narrative to pit the two against each other. we can and should try to do both with as many protocols and precautions in place as humanly possible.
You're also missing the point of the accountability a "team" brings to the table. I know the team my kids play on is really pushing each other to not go out and not socialize outside of the team. They've committed to create a "mini-bubble" within their team. Without that they'd be running around and doing whatever they want. As I stated above, the alternative of not playing must also be explored.
You are hilarious. Don't mind me. I'm gonna help you win this argument about how sports are no more likely to transmit CV-19. However, you are going to have to concede the point you've made above, which is just flat wrong, and dumb.
For example: two transsexuals kissing on each other in the girl's bathroom between 2nd and 3rd period are more likely to transmit CV-19 (and mono, and herpes, and strep, and so on) than two girls playing tennis 78 feet apart while wearing masks and being forbidden from entering the service boxes at the same time. We know this. We just straight-up know it.
I completely understand what has been stated. My kids both have to wear a mask THE ENTIRE DAY, including in the the classroom. The point everyone who is pro-in person is that there are ways for these kids to get back to school that reduce risk. Forget the fact that both the students and vast majority of the parents are not in a category of at risk due to age. If they have underlying health conditions, DON'T GO. If the parents have underlying health conditions, DON'T GO. But to impact 100% of students where the mortality rate even if your DO get it is a fraction of a fraction of a % point is absolutely irresponsible. That is my point.
Will we have any articles or hype of online learning being canceled?!?!
Each case at an open school is national news...the ole porn & drugs on zoom will likely lay low
Each case at an open school is national news...the ole porn & drugs on zoom will likely lay low
Only one person in ky under 30 died from covid during the entire pandemic. I'm willing to bet there are less than 10 serious cases under 20 during the entire time.
It's really a no brainier and takes some real denial of reality to argue otherwise.
Also consider the recent CDC study. It showed during lockdown a shocking number of young people considered suicide, experienced high degrees of depression/anxiety, and started using intoxicants.
So not only should they go to school; not going generates the worst outcome by far
Credit KL
* no clue who this dude is.
Only to approve guidelines set by khsaa. Has to be done. Season not in
jeopardy
so now all Fayette Co. schools just lost internet. I give this experiment 3 weeks.
I am still waiting on the follow up story on the 6,500+ students that JCPS failed to make contact with at the end of the last school year. Those kids didn’t finish their classes via zoom or by any other means. Yet, they passed all of their classes same as the kids who did the work.
1) How do you justify that? You are doing a disservice to both sets of kids...especially the group that weren’t able to participate and finish their classes.
2) How many of those 6500+ kids were they able to contact on this go round of NTI?
3) If there are still some JCPS students who aren’t involved with the NTI right now...how do you transition them into their classes once they start back in person? They will be way behind.
1) How do you justify that? You are doing a disservice to both sets of kids...especially the group that weren’t able to participate and finish their classes.
2) How many of those 6500+ kids were they able to contact on this go round of NTI?
3) If there are still some JCPS students who aren’t involved with the NTI right now...how do you transition them into their classes once they start back in person? They will be way behind.
Correct. They even mentioned this would be a necessary step during the KHSAA call in meeting last week.
Yep feel horrible for my kids and even worse for the kids at home who don’t have support from parents at home. Totally unacceptable what we are doing to our kids futures. All in the name of politics. Zero effort was made by Fayette County schools to get the kids back in school. They had months to prepare, order equip, etc. How much longer is Manny Caulk in charge? How do we fire him?
I guess we just need more internet outages and intruders posting porn. That'll get them back in the building with a quickness.
“Almost 6 months into the pandemic, accumulating evidence and collective experience argue that children, particularly school-aged children, are far less important drivers of SARS-CoV-2 transmission than adults. Therefore, serious consideration should be paid toward strategies that allow schools to remain open, even during periods of COVID-19 spread. In doing so, we could minimize the potentially profound adverse social, developmental, and health costs that our children will continue to suffer until an effective treatment or vaccine can be developed and distributed or, failing that, until we reach herd immunity.” AAP August 2020
COVID-19 Transmission and Children: The Child Is Not to Blame
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COVID-19 Transmission and Children: The Child Is Not to Blame
* Abbreviations: COVID-19 — : coronavirus disease HHC — : household contact SARS-CoV-2 — : severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus 2 Coronavirus disease (COVID-19) presents arguably the greatest public health crisis in living memory. One surprising...
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My kids have been back to school in person for two weeks now. Zero Covid cases in K-12.
That number will definitely change as I fully expect some kids at their school to test positive at some point. Hopefully not to the point they shut things down.
That number will definitely change as I fully expect some kids at their school to test positive at some point. Hopefully not to the point they shut things down.
Ours had a couple. Classes sent home, the rest kept on rolling. Still think that's a little overboard, but whatever.
Lol, at these dumbass colleges sending covid + students home. I mean, that's the absolute last thing they should be doing. JFC.
Lol, at these dumbass colleges sending covid + students home. I mean, that's the absolute last thing they should be doing. JFC.
Bardstown city schools just announced they are going back in person:..bravo!